School Board Forum on "Boundary and Capacity"

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Anonymous wrote:So you sincerely believe the following people should not have a say at all?

1. Arthur, whose kids are FCPS alumni. Arthur believes that strong schools build a strong community, and therefore, he has a vested interest in what happens in the community schools.
2. Beatrice, a retired teacher who lives in the community in which she taught for 35 years.
3. Carlos, a current FCPS teacher who has 15+ years of experience in education
4. Dania, a young woman who doesn't yet have children, but who hopes to have them within the next couple years.
5. Elliot, a professor of educational policy who lives in Fairfax County.
6. Farrah, a recent graduate of FCPS who has strong feelings about the state of our schools.

ANYONE who cares about our community should care about our public schools. They all have a right to vote, run for office (yes, even for school board!), and voice their opinions.
Saying you should have to have children in the system in order to run for SB or to vote is gross discrimination and is voter suppression. Think about how that would sound if you replaced your qualifier (about having school-age children) with a different one, such as gender, sex, religion, skin color, difference in ability, etc. Think about that. Just think. I hope you are ashamed of yourself!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The only people with a say should be those with skin in the game who are directly impacted by the schools. That means parents.

By your reasoning, we should open up voting for Governor to the following people:
1. Arthur, who lives in California but his kids live in Virginia
2. Beatrice, a former Virginia resident who has retired to Florida but still has friends here
3. Carlos, a house cleaner who lives in Maryland but cleans houses in Virginia
4. Jorge, a Guatemalan currently walking towards the Texas border, where he hopes CBP will give him a free bus ticket to Virginia
5. Mohamed, a waiter in Jeddah who has been reading up on Virginia history
6. Kim, a North Korean who has strong feelings about the state of government in Virgina

I think "reason" is something you are sorely lacking. Your not-at-all-intelligent quip is not even remotely equivalent and if you are unaware of of that, I feel very sorry for you.

Your level of bigotry and racism is unbelievable.

There it is... the reasoned, logical debate we have come to expect from the fringe left.

You haven’t won. You both suck.

Ah, but at least we aren’t racist hypocrites advocating redistricting.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

DP. I highly, highly doubt you are a HHS parent. But nice trolling.

You would be VERY wrong.

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Langley can keep its boundaries. Get them out of FCPS Region / District 1, and give them their own FCPS district/region to recognize how special the kids there truly are. Let them build a wall if necessary. It would be better for their snowflakes and everyone else’s kids.

Let’s put the focus back on education and stop giving Langley parents the vapors. 😢 FCPS has enough seats for EVERYONE without sending them to that northern school.

—HHS parent again

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

DP. I highly, highly doubt you are a HHS parent. But nice trolling.

You would be VERY wrong.

Ok. Assuming you actually are an HHS parent, please explain exactly why you want Forestville students to be redistricted to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:Langley can keep its boundaries. Get them out of FCPS Region / District 1, and give them their own FCPS district/region to recognize how special the kids there truly are. Let them build a wall if necessary. It would be better for their snowflakes and everyone else’s kids.

Let’s put the focus back on education and stop giving Langley parents the vapors. 😢 FCPS has enough seats for EVERYONE without sending them to that northern school.

—HHS parent again

Bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Langley can keep its boundaries. Get them out of FCPS Region / District 1, and give them their own FCPS district/region to recognize how special the kids there truly are. Let them build a wall if necessary. It would be better for their snowflakes and everyone else’s kids.

Let’s put the focus back on education and stop giving Langley parents the vapors. 😢 FCPS has enough seats for EVERYONE without sending them to that northern school.

—HHS parent again

I mean, I’d be ecstatic if that were to happen, but it never will because we all know Fairfax needs those tax dollars.

And just to be clear, as much as you hate, with a capital H, great falls residents, I have no animosity toward you or your school, and I really hope everyone thrives there.

The racist SJW however, she’s a different story. I hope her kids get redistricted all the way to Alabama.

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Anonymous wrote:It was clear from the time that Tholen scrubbed her campaign website of any favorable references to “One Fairfax” that she would do what her Great Falls neighbors wanted. And she did, for the most part.

Anyway with so much growth in Tysons and nearby areas they may need to move more kids to Langley at some point and the difference now is that Herndon has more space if they need to move kids there.

Nope the assertion back then was that she changed her website to get elected and that once in, she would be all in on the “comprehend review of the boundaries.”

Didn’t happen.

It could be, just might be that the boundaries didn’t need a massive overhaul.

You’re just making stuff up.

The grocery stores have large bags of ice.
Pick one up to soothe your butthurt.

That’s funny because the biggest butthurt on the forum is Langley posters getting so worked up whenever the mere possibility that their school might be part of a future boundary discussion is mentioned.

Why would they be irritated when they supposedly get what they want all the time?

When you know the system has been rigged in your favor in the past, it gives rise to both a sense of entitlement and considerable insecurity.

Next question.

When you get what you want every single time you are challenged, you are actually quite secure.

You should probably get two bags of ice.

The thing is that you don’t get everything you want, just most of what you want, and yet you still are insecure AF.

Lordy. I am going to invest in ice machines. You are going to need a hefty supply.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

“well enough”

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

We can’t reorganize things based on your feelings triggered by a few anonymous posts on a message board, some of whom may be just trolling.

The regions are organized and the few people that have an issue with that will just have to deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

“well enough”

Reeled in a catfish with that one!

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What is so incredibly fascinating to me, is that none of the current school board members’ campaign webpages mentioned redistricting as an issue. It’s almost like they know how immensely unpopular those efforts are going to be.

If they can’t even work up the nerve to publicly state the intent while running for the board, what business do they have trying to ram it through once elected?

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Anonymous wrote:Will the Langley bastion finally fall? I hope so. Rooting for this board.

Bitter much?

Gatehouse should make the best use of facilities, giving weight to efficiency and budget.
If the Langley boundaries change due to that then whatever.

The Langley boundaries may well need to change in a few years based on capacity and logistical issues, but if that happens they'll still claim it's being done to "punish" them. Hopefully with Robyn Lady representing the district rather than Elaine Tholen, decisions will be based on the merits and not just a desire to place Langley's interests over everyone else's.

“still?”
Where/when did Langley parents protest possible boundary changes with the argument that the school board wanted to punish them for something?

As to hoping the latest Dranesville rep will advocate for boundaries based on the merits of different options (which will apparently be demonstrated only if she wants to alter boundaries in a way that you desire)
—- I am old enough to remember all the crowing about Jane Strauss not being around to “protect” the Langley boundaries anymore after Elaine was elected, and we see how that worked out for people emotionally invested in some drastic change.

+100
There is no rational discussion to be had with the PP, who continues to rant about schools which her children don’t even attend. Interesting how she’ll never disclose where her kids actually do go to school.

+1. Her social engineering crusade is truly pathetic at this point. She is likely as insufferable in real life as she is on this forum.

Are you sock puppeting or do all these Langley posters sound EXACTLY the same?

I mean people will point out that changes should only be made, if at all, if needed based on capacity and logistics, and you'll still flail away about "social engineering."

Report the post and claim it’s a sock puppet post. It’s not, but you can see for yourself that I’m a DP when the admin doesn’t remove it. On the other hand, I’m quite certain that you are a one woman social engineering crusader.

Honest question - do you think "social engineering" means anything that might run counter to the wishes of a Langley family? Because there may be valid reasons to move kids in and out of Langley at some point that bear no resemblance to what "social engineering" generally is understood to connote.

Perhaps, but her posts are of one flavor - to soak the “rich” Forestville families. She’s got a real chip on her shoulder about it, especially since, as the board member recently pointed out, redistricting is bad for all involved, especially poor students. Her hatred of Forestville is just that great, that she’d be willing to hurt Herndon students to stick it to Forestville.

I am in favor of doing everything we can to improve schools, but it really feels like a paternalistic “savior” move to do what she advocates.

Except multiple posters have said Forestville should only move if there’s a compelling logistical need to move it and you keep claiming we’re all the same poster with a “social engineering” agenda. It’s just very odd.

Any suggestion that has a whiff of possibly affecting certain schools in certain ways is labeled social engineering around here — even before the renovations over the past few years occurred. It is sad. Just wait until next year when standards based grading is applied to all schools.

What’s sad about it? Parents should advocate for their kids. I’d take that any day of the week over someone who wants to upend the apple cart based on some vague misguided sense of social justice.

And deep down most people on this board know they would feel the exact same way if it were their kids’ educations on the line.

Whoa. That is quite the accusation about another FCPS school. You should see your therapist. That is next level overreacting.

I know, right? It’s like I have this obsession with trying to screw over other people’s kids. It’s really next level f-ed up. I pretend to care about poor people, but I really just hate a subset of our county that I believe has money.

It’s infuriating, I just can’t sleep at night, it tears me apart. I seethe.

Oh wait, that’s you, the paternalistic social engineer looking to have Forestville kids play savior for other people’s kids.

It turns out that wanting what’s best for one’s child is typically not grounds to see a therapist. You however, sweetie, should consider it.

Actually, you are a flat out racist. I’m not even sure you have a child in school.

Hi pot, I’m kettle!

At least I’m not overtly railing against non native English speakers in this board like some pretend SJWs.

If some non-native speaker thinks “social engineering” means everything they personally dislike, consider it a teaching moment.

Otherwise, get a grip. There’s no bigger group of overt racists in the county than Langley families when it comes to the Hispanic population at Herndon.

Says the racist social engineer, who doubled down on calling out non native speakers twice now. Maybe you are an oblivious racist?

Yawn. If you want to come up with arguments why Langley alone should be uniquely excluded from future FCPS boundary studies in perpetuity, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this nonsense.

DP. Now you're just making things up. No one has said this. It's been acknowledged repeatedly that sure, in the future, boundary studies might impact Langley. That time is not anywhere close, however. That's the part you can't (won't) accept and you're looking like a complete fool every time you stomp your feet and insist that it WILL BE SO, just because it bothers you so very much. Oh - almost forgot. Where do your kids go to school?

If FCPS undertakes a county-wide study, as a number of the new School Board members have said they support, that time may be closer than you’d like, but it almost surely will be based on an assessment of where growth is occurring or is projected, which schools might have capacity, and how FCPS might reduce commuting distances in the process. And if that’s where FCPS eventually does land, Langley posters have sent very mixed messages at best as to whether they’d accept that result or instead stomp their feet and falsely claim everything was politically motivated. Grow up.

No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

The likelier scenario is some grumbling, some GF residents will suck it up and send their children where assigned, others will move/go private, or find some other way around it.
Sure in the short-term, the Dems may lose Dranesville for term or two (depending on how blue GF continues to get) but in the end it will be what it is.

If housing values go down in the Forestville area it will be great buying opportunity. Some people will be able to live in GF and send a kid to private with some of the money saved.

It’s good to look on the bright side.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the Langley bastion finally fall? I hope so. Rooting for this board.

Bitter much?

Gatehouse should make the best use of facilities, giving weight to efficiency and budget.
If the Langley boundaries change due to that then whatever.

The Langley boundaries may well need to change in a few years based on capacity and logistical issues, but if that happens they'll still claim it's being done to "punish" them. Hopefully with Robyn Lady representing the district rather than Elaine Tholen, decisions will be based on the merits and not just a desire to place Langley's interests over everyone else's.

“still?”
Where/when did Langley parents protest possible boundary changes with the argument that the school board wanted to punish them for something?

As to hoping the latest Dranesville rep will advocate for boundaries based on the merits of different options (which will apparently be demonstrated only if she wants to alter boundaries in a way that you desire)
—- I am old enough to remember all the crowing about Jane Strauss not being around to “protect” the Langley boundaries anymore after Elaine was elected, and we see how that worked out for people emotionally invested in some drastic change.

+100
There is no rational discussion to be had with the PP, who continues to rant about schools which her children don’t even attend. Interesting how she’ll never disclose where her kids actually do go to school.

+1. Her social engineering crusade is truly pathetic at this point. She is likely as insufferable in real life as she is on this forum.

Are you sock puppeting or do all these Langley posters sound EXACTLY the same?

I mean people will point out that changes should only be made, if at all, if needed based on capacity and logistics, and you'll still flail away about "social engineering."

Report the post and claim it’s a sock puppet post. It’s not, but you can see for yourself that I’m a DP when the admin doesn’t remove it. On the other hand, I’m quite certain that you are a one woman social engineering crusader.

Honest question - do you think "social engineering" means anything that might run counter to the wishes of a Langley family? Because there may be valid reasons to move kids in and out of Langley at some point that bear no resemblance to what "social engineering" generally is understood to connote.

Perhaps, but her posts are of one flavor - to soak the “rich” Forestville families. She’s got a real chip on her shoulder about it, especially since, as the board member recently pointed out, redistricting is bad for all involved, especially poor students. Her hatred of Forestville is just that great, that she’d be willing to hurt Herndon students to stick it to Forestville.

I am in favor of doing everything we can to improve schools, but it really feels like a paternalistic “savior” move to do what she advocates.

Except multiple posters have said Forestville should only move if there’s a compelling logistical need to move it and you keep claiming we’re all the same poster with a “social engineering” agenda. It’s just very odd.

Any suggestion that has a whiff of possibly affecting certain schools in certain ways is labeled social engineering around here — even before the renovations over the past few years occurred. It is sad. Just wait until next year when standards based grading is applied to all schools.

What’s sad about it? Parents should advocate for their kids. I’d take that any day of the week over someone who wants to upend the apple cart based on some vague misguided sense of social justice.

And deep down most people on this board know they would feel the exact same way if it were their kids’ educations on the line.

Whoa. That is quite the accusation about another FCPS school. You should see your therapist. That is next level overreacting.

I know, right? It’s like I have this obsession with trying to screw over other people’s kids. It’s really next level f-ed up. I pretend to care about poor people, but I really just hate a subset of our county that I believe has money.

It’s infuriating, I just can’t sleep at night, it tears me apart. I seethe.

Oh wait, that’s you, the paternalistic social engineer looking to have Forestville kids play savior for other people’s kids.

It turns out that wanting what’s best for one’s child is typically not grounds to see a therapist. You however, sweetie, should consider it.

Actually, you are a flat out racist. I’m not even sure you have a child in school.

Hi pot, I’m kettle!

At least I’m not overtly railing against non native English speakers in this board like some pretend SJWs.

If some non-native speaker thinks “social engineering” means everything they personally dislike, consider it a teaching moment.

Otherwise, get a grip. There’s no bigger group of overt racists in the county than Langley families when it comes to the Hispanic population at Herndon.

Says the racist social engineer, who doubled down on calling out non native speakers twice now. Maybe you are an oblivious racist?

Yawn. If you want to come up with arguments why Langley alone should be uniquely excluded from future FCPS boundary studies in perpetuity, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this nonsense.

DP. Now you're just making things up. No one has said this. It's been acknowledged repeatedly that sure, in the future, boundary studies might impact Langley. That time is not anywhere close, however. That's the part you can't (won't) accept and you're looking like a complete fool every time you stomp your feet and insist that it WILL BE SO, just because it bothers you so very much. Oh - almost forgot. Where do your kids go to school?

If FCPS undertakes a county-wide study, as a number of the new School Board members have said they support, that time may be closer than you’d like, but it almost surely will be based on an assessment of where growth is occurring or is projected, which schools might have capacity, and how FCPS might reduce commuting distances in the process. And if that’s where FCPS eventually does land, Langley posters have sent very mixed messages at best as to whether they’d accept that result or instead stomp their feet and falsely claim everything was politically motivated. Grow up.

No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

The likelier scenario is some grumbling, some GF residents will suck it up and send their children where assigned, others will move/go private, or find some other way around it.
Sure in the short-term, the Dems may lose Dranesville for term or two (depending on how blue GF continues to get) but in the end it will be what it is.

If housing values go down in the Forestville area it will be great buying opportunity. Some people will be able to live in GF and send a kid to private with some of the money saved.

It’s good to look on the bright side.

Yep, for sure people will let their house values drop hundreds of thousands of dollars over night as their kids get sent to schools they didn’t choose, and they will just “grumble”. We got a regular Nostradamus on our hands.

You are right that people will move or go private. It’d be the poorer Forestville families that would take the brunt of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

DP. I highly, highly doubt you are a HHS parent. But nice trolling.

You would be VERY wrong.

Ok. Assuming you actually are an HHS parent, please explain exactly why you want Forestville students to be redistricted to Herndon.

I don’t and never said I did. If a boundary study says it makes sense fine, but really I hope they don’t get added because I don’t want to put up with their incessant whining about how the school is harming their children (as they (you??) cited as a reason upthread). As if HHS is any worse than any other school in FCPS for their children. In fact their children would likely thrive at HHS but that won’t ever resonate with them for … reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Langley can keep its boundaries. Get them out of FCPS Region / District 1, and give them their own FCPS district/region to recognize how special the kids there truly are. Let them build a wall if necessary. It would be better for their snowflakes and everyone else’s kids.

Let’s put the focus back on education and stop giving Langley parents the vapors. 😢 FCPS has enough seats for EVERYONE without sending them to that northern school.

—HHS parent again

I mean, I’d be ecstatic if that were to happen, but it never will because we all know Fairfax needs those tax dollars.

And just to be clear, as much as you hate, with a capital H, great falls residents, I have no animosity toward you or your school, and I really hope everyone thrives there.

The racist SJW however, she’s a different story. I hope her kids get redistricted all the way to Alabama.

It sounds like you do not know that FCPS has several regions/districts. Moving them into a special snowflake zone would not remove them from FCPS, but if they wanted to leave the county and create their own school system, good riddance.