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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


One of the challenges we had with CHML was that the school doesn't have a coherent response to how the Montessori model works in MS. I think this is because it doesn't; it was designed for ECE. Instead of acknowledging that fact and saying, "Look, as we move into upper ES and MS a more traditional model emerges" they try and just skirt the issue. The overarching theme seems to be that if you dare question Montessori then you aren't a believer and you probably ought not attend.

The class sizes at the MS are really, REALLY small. Like fewer than 30 kids (I think 7th grade was under 20 in the audited stats). That makes it very hard for any real differentiation or to offer, for instance, AP level work. The economics just don't support an AP class or teacher for 3 or 4 kids.

The building is AMAZING. It looks like the kind of school I would want my kids to attend. But the actual book learning inside walls does not yet match the shiny new curtains.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


Leadership is definitely worse at CHML. Ask around on Moth and you'll get tons of stories from families who left.
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Anonymous wrote:What is this stupid argument. Hill schools lose 25-50% of 5th grade to charters etc every year. It’s not “confirmation bias.”


No one disagrees that Hill schools lose kids in 5th. The question is whether that is trending up or down. Trying to figure out what will happen next year by using what you "know" this year if you think that is what is happening because you "know" no one could stay because "DCPS is intentionally hurting UMC white IB folks" is where confirmation bias comes in.

You don't know how many kids are staying or going as against prior years and you need to look at actual data to see trendlines. We know there are more kids going to SH from feeders than there used to be and that there are more IB kids in 5th at Hill ES than there were 5 years ago (and for sure 10 years ago). Those changes happen a few kids at a time over a number of years. You can't see those shifts in a single year (one year does not a trend make) and as much as you may "know" what every kid in 4th grade or 5th grade is doing, you just don't.


Sure there’s some increase, but every 4th grade family tries the lottery. Even the most self-righteous moms end up trying it.


+1, and I'd also argue that it's actually hard to assess trends either way at the moment because of Covid. It's thrown things up the air. People who were never really considering private wound up discovering during Covid that they can scrounge the money up for it (and saw that privates in DC actually opened in the 2020-21 school year). People considering MS at their DCPS IB but figured they'd move or go private for HS moved up their timelines in some cases. I think Covid made some people more apt to stay put (less change during a tumultuous time for a kid at a critical juncture in school) and made others more likely to lottery into a charter if they could, because of frustration with how their school handled Covid.

MS is a tough time for behavior and social issues, even at the best possible school. Covid has exacerbated that. I don't think you can assume that trends will continue to move in the same direction because so many parents shifted focus and priorities during Covid.

And while prior trends moved in favor of more families staying at Hill elementaries for 5th, and more trying their IB MS, it's not like these trends were overwhelming. We're talking about a very small trickle in that direction. Compare that to the shift we saw at L-T towards more IB families overall. Now THAT was a trend, that pushed L-T out of Title 1 status really fast.

I am skeptical of anyone who thinks they know with any certainty how this is all going to shake out in a few years. I know people who told me with absolutely certaining 5 years ago that SH would be over 50% IB kids by now. Well, it's not. And Eastern is still considered a non-option for most Hill families. So when you talk trends, you need to talk all of them, not just the ones that support your hypothesis.


My lord, the Men Girls are all out in full force this morning. You just "+1" to agree with a post that expressed with absolute certainty that they "know" what's happening this year and in the future, and you followed it up with a thoughtful post about how trends aren't one year in the making, acknowledging trends in pre-covid times are the opposite of what the person you "agreed" with said. And you concluded with what I think is a fair statement that no one knows what trends will or won't continue as covid abates.

So other than wanting to back Muffy so you can tell her how much you love her and her hair at the next book club meeting, tell me how you actually agree with her post? And how you disagree with my posts arguing the people who claim to "know" simply do not?


Different poster but I was just asked to join a book club on the Hill and am looking forward to meeting Muffy. Not sure if her hair is nice but I’ll check.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


Have you taken a gander at their standardized test scores?

CHML is ranked 45th middle school in DC. Jefferson is ranked 19. CHML math proficiency is 32%.

I wouldn't take either of those options, but CHML is objectively worse.


Jefferson’s math proficiency is 20%, CHML is 33.8%. This is from the SY 2021/2022 directory. So I don’t get the above comment.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


Leadership is definitely worse at CHML. Ask around on Moth and you'll get tons of stories from families who left.


Thank you
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


One of the challenges we had with CHML was that the school doesn't have a coherent response to how the Montessori model works in MS. I think this is because it doesn't; it was designed for ECE. Instead of acknowledging that fact and saying, "Look, as we move into upper ES and MS a more traditional model emerges" they try and just skirt the issue. The overarching theme seems to be that if you dare question Montessori then you aren't a believer and you probably ought not attend.

The class sizes at the MS are really, REALLY small. Like fewer than 30 kids (I think 7th grade was under 20 in the audited stats). That makes it very hard for any real differentiation or to offer, for instance, AP level work. The economics just don't support an AP class or teacher for 3 or 4 kids.

The building is AMAZING. It looks like the kind of school I would want my kids to attend. But the actual book learning inside walls does not yet match the shiny new curtains.


I thought that smaller class sizes was attractive in a middle school. More individualized attention. Perhaps less distractions. With Montessori teaching each child where they are, I would think that advanced children would work at their level even without AP courses. Maybe a MS parent could weigh in on that?
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


One of the challenges we had with CHML was that the school doesn't have a coherent response to how the Montessori model works in MS. I think this is because it doesn't; it was designed for ECE. Instead of acknowledging that fact and saying, "Look, as we move into upper ES and MS a more traditional model emerges" they try and just skirt the issue. The overarching theme seems to be that if you dare question Montessori then you aren't a believer and you probably ought not attend.

The class sizes at the MS are really, REALLY small. Like fewer than 30 kids (I think 7th grade was under 20 in the audited stats). That makes it very hard for any real differentiation or to offer, for instance, AP level work. The economics just don't support an AP class or teacher for 3 or 4 kids.

The building is AMAZING. It looks like the kind of school I would want my kids to attend. But the actual book learning inside walls does not yet match the shiny new curtains.


I thought that smaller class sizes was attractive in a middle school. More individualized attention. Perhaps less distractions. With Montessori teaching each child where they are, I would think that advanced children would work at their level even without AP courses. Maybe a MS parent could weigh in on that?


They don't mean "class" as in single class out of 6 classes that make up the grade... they mean class as in grade. The ENTIRE 7th grade at CHML was like 19 kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


Have you taken a gander at their standardized test scores?

CHML is ranked 45th middle school in DC. Jefferson is ranked 19. CHML math proficiency is 32%.

I wouldn't take either of those options, but CHML is objectively worse.


Jefferson’s math proficiency is 20%, CHML is 33.8%. This is from the SY 2021/2022 directory. So I don’t get the above comment.


Yes, but the obvious problem with CHML is that most of the low scoring students haven't been poor. By contrast, Jefferson's few UMC students knock it out of the park on...PARCC.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


One of the challenges we had with CHML was that the school doesn't have a coherent response to how the Montessori model works in MS. I think this is because it doesn't; it was designed for ECE. Instead of acknowledging that fact and saying, "Look, as we move into upper ES and MS a more traditional model emerges" they try and just skirt the issue. The overarching theme seems to be that if you dare question Montessori then you aren't a believer and you probably ought not attend.

The class sizes at the MS are really, REALLY small. Like fewer than 30 kids (I think 7th grade was under 20 in the audited stats). That makes it very hard for any real differentiation or to offer, for instance, AP level work. The economics just don't support an AP class or teacher for 3 or 4 kids.

The building is AMAZING. It looks like the kind of school I would want my kids to attend. But the actual book learning inside walls does not yet match the shiny new curtains.


I thought that smaller class sizes was attractive in a middle school. More individualized attention. Perhaps less distractions. With Montessori teaching each child where they are, I would think that advanced children would work at their level even without AP courses. Maybe a MS parent could weigh in on that?


Montessori parent here. CHML is not a true montessori. Maybe as a final, final last resort. Try Truth Montessori in Brookland if you want a better montessori middle.
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I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.

Bravo, DCPS!


There are UMC LT families heading to CHML for middle school??? That does not seem like a good decision. I would go to SH over CHML in a heartbeat.


As someone who is IB for Jefferson and considering CMHL, what is the issue with CHML and why is that not considered a good choice?


You might be better off at CHML than Jefferson, but it's doubtful.


What is the reason behind the sentiment? What are the issues at CHML that places it in the same category at Jefferson? I would really like to know.


Have you taken a gander at their standardized test scores?

CHML is ranked 45th middle school in DC. Jefferson is ranked 19. CHML math proficiency is 32%.

I wouldn't take either of those options, but CHML is objectively worse.


Jefferson’s math proficiency is 20%, CHML is 33.8%. This is from the SY 2021/2022 directory. So I don’t get the above comment.


Yes, but the obvious problem with CHML is that most of the low scoring students haven't been poor. By contrast, Jefferson's few UMC students knock it out of the park on...PARCC.


So you are chalking this up to teaching and not socioeconomic disparities. If so, I don’t know if it’s true but I understand your position and will keep that in mind.
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High achieving boy who went on to doing very well in a test-in high school: We went with Jefferson and never had any regrets. I'm convinced he'd have done well at Elliot-Hine or Stuart-Hobson. He'd have been fine at Basis, too. The reason he excelled at Jefferson and became the academically strong and well-rounded person he now is is because he had committed and caring teachers who "get" middle schoolers and who worked with him to get him where he wanted and let him own the process. And because it's close by, he was able to pursue sports and scouts, which enriched his pandemic experience. And he had a set of genuine and funny and also some academically strong friends. Had he been in a place like Basis, he'd have become a kid worried and "pressed" about academics. As it stands, he became a caring, well-rounded, and academically strong teenager.
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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.


Some parents, not many. Come on, no secret that SH throws a bunch of kids working at an 7th, 8th, even 9th grade level into the very same social studies and science classes as kids working 2,3 even 4 grade levels behind them.
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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.


Some parents, not many. Come on, no secret that SH throws a bunch of kids working at an 7th, 8th, even 9th grade level into the very same social studies and science classes as kids working 2,3 even 4 grade levels behind them.


What middle school tracks for social studies and science?
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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.


Some parents, not many. Come on, no secret that SH throws a bunch of kids working at an 7th, 8th, even 9th grade level into the very same social studies and science classes as kids working 2,3 even 4 grade levels behind them.


What middle school tracks for social studies and science?

It’s called differentiation and teachers have to meet all the levels in the same class that’s the expectation
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