Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Baldoni sure did fight pretty hard to get Lively to be topless in a birth scene, even though birth scenes really aren’t shot that way and he was totally springing unexpected nudity on her. Dude is at minimum a weirdo that bills himself as a feminist even though he has the strangest ideas about women and will mansplain what a normal birth looks like to a woman who has given birth four times — and seems more and more likely to be an actual sexual harasser. But go ahead and listen to Bryan Freedman appearing on Megyn Kelly or maybe get some more talking points from Candace Owen’s — I’m sure maybe you will even come to see Jed Wallace as another great hero who comes in to save the day. Good luck with that one, but I’m sure you can find a way.

And I'm sure Plantation Barbie is full of ethics, wearing blackface, throwing her vag around, stealing married women's husbands, plotting her cast mates against people she doesn't like, making sexual harassment threats against makeup artist, hijacking scripts and sets, texting men who arent her husband at 2 am in the morning, bragging about her bj game "no teeth", using her famous dragons to clout, inviting men to her trailer while breast feeding, being rude to staff, being rude to interviewers, being tone deaf to dv survivors, being self involved, supporting weinstein, is the mother theresa of Hollywood.

She's bonified gutter trash, just like you.

Preach!

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

Not insane in the slightest. Tiktok sleuths were partly responsible for Freedman amending his lawsuit with new allegations coming to light about the NYT metadata. They were also allegedly the ones Blake’s team leaked the 3 HR complaints to because the news media refused to cover them out of litigious fear.

Metadata which turned out to be wrong and there was no leak of 3 HR complaints! You really shouldn't rely on Tik Tok for accurate information.

Exactly! That comment is proving the point!

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Anonymous wrote:I really can’t imagine what someone could have said about the sanctity of motherhood that would upset me enough to report them. It’s such a bizarre claim. There seems to be a large lack of life skills with some of these folks.

I think it's possible the THR reporter is not describing the interaction accurately. This is such a weird round about way of describing it without actually saying whatever it is he said to Slate. I agree it's hard to imagine what he could say about the sanctity of motherhood that would give rise to an HR complaint. Since it doesn't make sense at all, I will assume that I have not been given enough info about it to understand. Instead of just assuming "ladies be crazy! she must be racist!"

Whose HR would this be? I thought Sony said they didn't receive any complaints.

No one knows. Lively's complaint alleges that Wayfarer didn't have a formal HR department at all, and that when she tried to contact Sonny they said that as the distribution studio, they couldn't accept HR complaints from the set, which belonged to Wayfarer.

Other people have mentioned that as members of SAF-AFTRA, Slate and Lively could have registered complaints with their union, which I think is true. And I think that generally when a business (or in this case production) is union-sanctioned, which I would bet this movie was, there needs to be a designated union rep, whether that's someone on the set or just someone at SAG who is the union rep for the production. It would be interesting to know if any complaints were filed with the union and what happened with them. If a complaint was very alarming (i.e. put a worker in physical danger or involved a violent assault), I think SAG would withdraw their union approval of the production and could shut down production. So like imagine a situation where an actor went to SAG and said they were being asked to do stunts without a coordinator or proper safety precautions and that someone had already been hurt or feared they'd be injured or killed. I think SAG would probably get the production shut down in that instance.

But the complaints on this production weren't like that -- no one was in danger, most of it was kind of small interpersonal stuff that could have been a misunderstanding or might just have been someone being tone deaf. Certainly the Slate complaint (if it was made to SAG) wouldn't result in dramatic action by the union, maybe just communication between the union and the production and request to address the behavior or for Heath to apologize.

The only allegations that I think would have prompted stronger action by the union were the ones associated with the birth scene. SAG would treat a director/producer pressuring an actor to do nudity very seriously, even if ultimately the actor was not fully nude in the scene. SAG has guidelines that are explicitly about nudity in production and insist that actors be given at least 48 hours warning before a proposed nude scene and would view any form of coercion to do onscreen nudity (simulated or actual) as a potential violation of union contracts. This is actually a big deal with the union because there is a long history of coerced nudity on sets.

But again, no one knows if any union complaints were filed. But given that Sony claimed they had no supervisory authority over the production, and Wayfarer may not have had a formal HR complaint process, I am wondering if Slate's complaint or any of Lively's were routed through SAG. I'll note that SAG issued a statement in support of Lively when her complaint first came out in December.

Wasn't it Blake who went to Sony to complain to get her final cut of the film released and they acquised? I find this incredible that they gave her the final edit of the film as the costar and executive producer over the director. But when it came to her alleged sexual harassment claims which alleged occured before then, they waived any authority and referred her to Wayfarer.

So essentially she has the power and leverage to somehow get her cut and marketing of the film processed, but somehow not able to leverage a sexual harassment complaint for them to take action.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.

Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.

No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.

I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.

Sorry, should say coveted role.

I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.

Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.

It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.

Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).

All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.

She’s a fashion nightmare but ok

PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).

I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.

All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.

This is unfounded PR hype.

So she is a fashion icon and a bunch of 38 year old suburban women will run out and buy Blake's wonderful fashion? Who pays attention to magazine photos anymore? Also who in regular America is trying to dress like a Hollywood actress. That's something teenage girls do, not married moms with full time jobs.

Blake lively is not a fashion icon. Did you see what she wore to the Super Bowl last year?

She was indeed astroturfed as a “fashion icon” for years and she had relationships with top fashion labels. Interesting how after Harvey’s downfall she dresses laughably awful she’s a fashion joke. Probably just a big coincidence.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

I think you can’t see what many of us can see. That’s why I said that without even seeing the delivery scene, that I bet the doctor guy BL had complained about was a POC.

I just saw the scene online. I was right.

All I can say is that I have experience with a lot of what I’ve stated. I interact with a lot of people. I knew nothing about BL but looked at this case legally and could not connect her argument. Again, a nothingburger assuming you looked at it one way which is how I did, thinking that JH was white.

Once I saw that pic, it all made sense.

Let’s see if the JS details come to light. But so far, legally and in the court of public opinion, just not seeing the SH.

As for the TikTok video, it was actually pretty decent and informative. And I think perhaps the third tik tok video that I’ve ever watched. It’s on Reddit.

You seem to have a very broad definition of person of color. How exactly are Justin Baldoni and Adam Monschein POC?

There is a pic and discussion on Reddit. You can go to the thread of look up the info. JB is like a lot of LA guys that are cool and can fit in with many types of people.

We know their racial backgrounds so please explain how they are POC? Is it Italians or Jews you believe are POC?

Bless you for trying to ground the thread in facts. You are one of the reasons I still read this thread (just skip some of the crazy). Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Sam Baldoni, Justin's father is also on the payroll at Wayfarer as a senior executive consultant. He was the Chairman and CEO of Baldoni Entertainment for 37 years before joining Wayfarer as a Board Member and now an Executive Consultant.

Wayfarer does have an HR director but I haven't seen her name mentioned in anything. You would think she would have been involved in the on set meetings related to the behavioral complaints.

Serious allegations are supposed to be sent to SAG because they are an
unbiased third-party and they launch an investigation. That was not done here.

According to SAGs website, SAG does not investigate. Actors can have their lawyers lodge an official complaint with SAG. SAG has a team who reviews the complaint to see if it aligns with their policies. SAG then sends the complaint along with the policy on harrassment and discrimination to the production company and it is the responsiblity of the production company to investigate and report back to SAG.

Got it. Interesting extra detail, but the point is there is a third-party that can do an investigation and that was never done, or I guess as some people like to say here, no one knows if it was done! We just don’t know! There’s only been 1000 pages worth of legal documentation released, but maybe they left that out.

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Anonymous wrote:I really can’t imagine what someone could have said about the sanctity of motherhood that would upset me enough to report them. It’s such a bizarre claim. There seems to be a large lack of life skills with some of these folks.

You know one line from an online article. Nothing directly from a source. It seems so far it is more the men who lack life skills and knowing boundaries and professional behavior in a workplace.

The way these people leak, if it wassomething more damning, Blake’s team would’ve put it out there already.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

I think you can’t see what many of us can see. That’s why I said that without even seeing the delivery scene, that I bet the doctor guy BL had complained about was a POC.

I just saw the scene online. I was right.

All I can say is that I have experience with a lot of what I’ve stated. I interact with a lot of people. I knew nothing about BL but looked at this case legally and could not connect her argument. Again, a nothingburger assuming you looked at it one way which is how I did, thinking that JH was white.

Once I saw that pic, it all made sense.

Let’s see if the JS details come to light. But so far, legally and in the court of public opinion, just not seeing the SH.

As for the TikTok video, it was actually pretty decent and informative. And I think perhaps the third tik tok video that I’ve ever watched. It’s on Reddit.

You seem to have a very broad definition of person of color. How exactly are Justin Baldoni and Adam Monschein POC?

There is a pic and discussion on Reddit. You can go to the thread of look up the info. JB is like a lot of LA guys that are cool and can fit in with many types of people.

We know their racial backgrounds so please explain how they are POC? Is it Italians or Jews you believe are POC?

Bless you for trying to ground the thread in facts. You are one of the reasons I still read this thread (just skip some of the crazy). Thank you.

So the film was also about a biracial couple then.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.

Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.

No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.

I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.

Sorry, should say coveted role.

I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.

Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.

It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.

Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).

All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.

She’s a fashion nightmare but ok

PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).

I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.

All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.

This is unfounded PR hype.

So she is a fashion icon and a bunch of 38 year old suburban women will run out and buy Blake's wonderful fashion? Who pays attention to magazine photos anymore? Also who in regular America is trying to dress like a Hollywood actress. That's something teenage girls do, not married moms with full time jobs.

Blake lively is not a fashion icon. Did you see what she wore to the Super Bowl last year?

She was indeed astroturfed as a “fashion icon” for years and she had relationships with top fashion labels. Interesting how after Harvey’s downfall she dresses laughably awful she’s a fashion joke. Probably just a big coincidence.

She was a Chanel and Christian Louboutin - and L'Oreal? - muse in her 20s. Coincidentally, Harvey’s wife was also given unwarranted insider access to fashion houses and fashion mags. And Blake even wore Harvey’s wife’s label on red carpets - Marchesa. So many coincidences!

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Anonymous wrote:I really can’t imagine what someone could have said about the sanctity of motherhood that would upset me enough to report them. It’s such a bizarre claim. There seems to be a large lack of life skills with some of these folks.

You know one line from an online article. Nothing directly from a source. It seems so far it is more the men who lack life skills and knowing boundaries and professional behavior in a workplace.

The way these people leak, if it wassomething more damning, Blake’s team would’ve put it out there already.

Yep, I’m screaming bold headlines.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really can’t imagine what someone could have said about the sanctity of motherhood that would upset me enough to report them. It’s such a bizarre claim. There seems to be a large lack of life skills with some of these folks.

You know one line from an online article. Nothing directly from a source. It seems so far it is more the men who lack life skills and knowing boundaries and professional behavior in a workplace.

The way these people leak, if it wassomething more damning, Blake’s team would’ve put it out there already.

Yep, I’m screaming bold headlines.

Exactly. BL/RR have nothing except their lies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really can’t imagine what someone could have said about the sanctity of motherhood that would upset me enough to report them. It’s such a bizarre claim. There seems to be a large lack of life skills with some of these folks.

You know one line from an online article. Nothing directly from a source. It seems so far it is more the men who lack life skills and knowing boundaries and professional behavior in a workplace.

The way these people leak, if it wassomething more damning, Blake’s team would’ve put it out there already.

Yep, I’m screaming bold headlines.

oops, in screaming bold headlines

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Anonymous wrote:Sam Baldoni, Justin's father is also on the payroll at Wayfarer as a senior executive consultant. He was the Chairman and CEO of Baldoni Entertainment for 37 years before joining Wayfarer as a Board Member and now an Executive Consultant.

Wayfarer does have an HR director but I haven't seen her name mentioned in anything. You would think she would have been involved in the on set meetings related to the behavioral complaints.

Serious allegations are supposed to be sent to SAG because they are an
unbiased third-party and they launch an investigation. That was not done here.

According to SAGs website, SAG does not investigate. Actors can have their lawyers lodge an official complaint with SAG. SAG has a team who reviews the complaint to see if it aligns with their policies. SAG then sends the complaint along with the policy on harrassment and discrimination to the production company and it is the responsiblity of the production company to investigate and report back to SAG.

Seems like there's conflicting information about SAG or their abilities. All I've heard from the entertainment business and entertainment sources is this incredible power that SAG has to protect actors from abuse and how they can immediately "shut down productions" after a sexual harassment claim or weapons claim is lodged. Now the goalpost has changed. I'm having a hard time understanding what is the truth about this union and what real protection do they have for their actors. What is the point of the anonymous line they have for talent? I'm confused. If you anonymously report a claim of abuse on a SAG AFTRA set, what plan of action do they take if they don't know who it is? Refer them to the production whose abuser is on set? They will not know whose being abused. None of this makes sense.

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She looked like a dime a dozen average Southern California Jewish gal with a dye job in her teens. Then she went crazy on surgeries and now larps as some sort of old money New England WASP mom. Similar aesthetic Taylor Swift guns for, even canoodling with the Kennedy boy and buying that gilded age mansion on the coast of Rhode Island.

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Hate to say it, but JB is a good looking guy. LA cool. I didn’t see this before but a lot of others have commented on the fact that BL caught feelings for JB.

I think they might be right. He’s very different from RR, a lot more LA. I think she liked that and that was part of why she sent out those flirtatious texts.