Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

Hamas Embedding within civilian infrastructure in the manner they do is a War Crime. Firing rockets at civilians is a War Crime. Hijacking humanitarian aid, as alleged, is a War Crime. Using hospitals, mosques, schools, for military purposes is a War Crime. The list goes on. Pretty certain they are low on rockets. Out of them? No. Israel found 30,000 Hamas weapons in the north.

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

Hamas Embedding within civilian infrastructure in the manner they do is a War Crime. Firing rockets at civilians is a War Crime. Hijacking humanitarian aid, as alleged, is a War Crime. Using hospitals, mosques, schools, for military purposes is a War Crime. The list goes on. Pretty certain they are low on rockets. Out of them? No. Israel found 30,000 Hamas weapons in the north.

I’m a DP and you’re correct.

But all you’ve proven is that both sides have committed war crimes. That doesn’t absolve either side.

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Of all the things that don’t make sense, killing Al Jazeera journalists makes zero sense. The only thing I can think of is Al Jazeera has if it bleeds, it leads” as their mantra and less censorship restrictions than American or British news when it comes to showing injured, maimed, crying and dead bodies and such. It’s rather unbearable to watch. The Arabic channel is more dramatic than Al Jazeera English.

I think this is a huge reason we see more terrorism in the Middle East by the way. The way they see war and we see war is different .

We get a sanitized news version due to censorship and they don’t and I think that leads to more emotional reactions over there .

The anti Vietnam war protests didn’t come to the US not after the draft but only after gory imagery came out . It’s a powerful influence

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe

I have both a Palestinian friend and a Lebanese friend. I have spent countless hours listening to their fears over their and their children’s safely here in the US. I am not disputing your feelings, but asking you if you can have the compassion to understand it’s not just Jews who are afraid? There are multiple victims of hatred.

Ps. I am Jewish too. But I truly believe it this is not a simplistic conflict of good vs evil. It’s a conflict of a two intertwined tragic histories.

DP. Actually, the conflict between Israel and Hamas (I repeat, Hamas) is one of good versus evil.

Good people don’t occupy other peoples lands.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe

I have both a Palestinian friend and a Lebanese friend. I have spent countless hours listening to their fears over their and their children’s safely here in the US. I am not disputing your feelings, but asking you if you can have the compassion to understand it’s not just Jews who are afraid? There are multiple victims of hatred.

Ps. I am Jewish too. But I truly believe it this is not a simplistic conflict of good vs evil. It’s a conflict of a two intertwined tragic histories.

DP. Actually, the conflict between Israel and Hamas (I repeat, Hamas) is one of good versus evil.

Good people don’t occupy other peoples lands.

Well, regarding Hamas, Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza. Hamas, in a vicious act of aggression, slaughtered Israelis on October 7. This is not Rocket Science. Are people here really rooting for Hamas?

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

Hamas Embedding within civilian infrastructure in the manner they do is a War Crime. Firing rockets at civilians is a War Crime. Hijacking humanitarian aid, as alleged, is a War Crime. Using hospitals, mosques, schools, for military purposes is a War Crime. The list goes on. Pretty certain they are low on rockets. Out of them? No. Israel found 30,000 Hamas weapons in the north.

I’m a DP and you’re correct.

But all you’ve proven is that both sides have committed war crimes. That doesn’t absolve either side.

Zero proof of Israeli war crimes.

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[Israel controls that border - i’m pretty sure that’s what I read.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Ukrainian refugees were never at risk of statelessness. Making someone stateless is a pretty big deal. There are UN conventions on it.

More than half of Gaza is under 18. Meaning you’re talking about a million refugees. Where does the money come to feed, house, educate, and provide medical care for a million children? Lebanon is a financial mess and Egypt isn’t doing much better— so who pays?

Personally as a taxpayer I’d rather we stop funding the bombs. Then we don’t need to fund a new war crime either.

Doesn’t answer the question of why it’s better to let them stay in harms way. UN and the rest of the world was already spending billions of dollars on Gaza annually. That money can be rerouted to the actual refugee camps .

It’s better for them not to be in harms way. There is no doubt.

But there’s no option to evacuate them. Lebanon doesn’t share a border with Gaza, and Israel insists on vetting every single person out of Rafah. Israel could set up a refugee camp for them in Israel, as they are the sole beneficiaries of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, but there’s no reason for Egypt or Lebanon to help commit a war crime.

There is no Israel at the Radha crossing. Egypt has actively participated in Gaza blockade. Egypt does not want Palestinians. Clearly Israel is not going to take them. Seems like the Muslim brothers could do more to help. They just don’t want to . Let’s call a spade what it is, a spade.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Ukrainian refugees were never at risk of statelessness. Making someone stateless is a pretty big deal. There are UN conventions on it.

More than half of Gaza is under 18. Meaning you’re talking about a million refugees. Where does the money come to feed, house, educate, and provide medical care for a million children? Lebanon is a financial mess and Egypt isn’t doing much better— so who pays?

Personally as a taxpayer I’d rather we stop funding the bombs. Then we don’t need to fund a new war crime either.

Doesn’t answer the question of why it’s better to let them stay in harms way. UN and the rest of the world was already spending billions of dollars on Gaza annually. That money can be rerouted to the actual refugee camps .

It’s better for them not to be in harms way. There is no doubt.

But there’s no option to evacuate them. Lebanon doesn’t share a border with Gaza, and Israel insists on vetting every single person out of Rafah. Israel could set up a refugee camp for them in Israel, as they are the sole beneficiaries of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, but there’s no reason for Egypt or Lebanon to help commit a war crime.

There is no Israel at the Radha crossing. Egypt has actively participated in Gaza blockade. Egypt does not want Palestinians. Clearly Israel is not going to take them. Seems like the Muslim brothers could do more to help. They just don’t want to . Let’s call a spade what it is, a spade.

How does Israel control the border between Egypt and Gaza? With Jewish space lasers?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Ukrainian refugees were never at risk of statelessness. Making someone stateless is a pretty big deal. There are UN conventions on it.

More than half of Gaza is under 18. Meaning you’re talking about a million refugees. Where does the money come to feed, house, educate, and provide medical care for a million children? Lebanon is a financial mess and Egypt isn’t doing much better— so who pays?

Personally as a taxpayer I’d rather we stop funding the bombs. Then we don’t need to fund a new war crime either.

Doesn’t answer the question of why it’s better to let them stay in harms way. UN and the rest of the world was already spending billions of dollars on Gaza annually. That money can be rerouted to the actual refugee camps .

It’s better for them not to be in harms way. There is no doubt.

But there’s no option to evacuate them. Lebanon doesn’t share a border with Gaza, and Israel insists on vetting every single person out of Rafah. Israel could set up a refugee camp for them in Israel, as they are the sole beneficiaries of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, but there’s no reason for Egypt or Lebanon to help commit a war crime.

There is no Israel at the Radha crossing. Egypt has actively participated in Gaza blockade. Egypt does not want Palestinians. Clearly Israel is not going to take them. Seems like the Muslim brothers could do more to help. They just don’t want to . Let’s call a spade what it is, a spade.

How does Israel control the border between Egypt and Gaza? With Jewish space lasers?

Because the IDF is occupying Gaza, it can control all borders. Israel also has a 2007 agreement with Egypt that requires Israel to approve all imports through the Rafah crossing.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Ukrainian refugees were never at risk of statelessness. Making someone stateless is a pretty big deal. There are UN conventions on it.

More than half of Gaza is under 18. Meaning you’re talking about a million refugees. Where does the money come to feed, house, educate, and provide medical care for a million children? Lebanon is a financial mess and Egypt isn’t doing much better— so who pays?

Personally as a taxpayer I’d rather we stop funding the bombs. Then we don’t need to fund a new war crime either.

Doesn’t answer the question of why it’s better to let them stay in harms way. UN and the rest of the world was already spending billions of dollars on Gaza annually. That money can be rerouted to the actual refugee camps .

It’s better for them not to be in harms way. There is no doubt.

But there’s no option to evacuate them. Lebanon doesn’t share a border with Gaza, and Israel insists on vetting every single person out of Rafah. Israel could set up a refugee camp for them in Israel, as they are the sole beneficiaries of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, but there’s no reason for Egypt or Lebanon to help commit a war crime.

There is no Israel at the Radha crossing. Egypt has actively participated in Gaza blockade. Egypt does not want Palestinians. Clearly Israel is not going to take them. Seems like the Muslim brothers could do more to help. They just don’t want to . Let’s call a spade what it is, a spade.

How does Israel control the border between Egypt and Gaza? With Jewish space lasers?

Well, might as well be space lasers since they bomb the freaking crossing whenever it’s open which is a danger to Egyptian officials who can die as well. Egypt doesn’t want to be entangled in the war but knows they will have to be if their citizens die. Egypt is not Lebanon. Their country is entirely ran by the military. Sisi was a general

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

Hamas Embedding within civilian infrastructure in the manner they do is a War Crime. Firing rockets at civilians is a War Crime. Hijacking humanitarian aid, as alleged, is a War Crime. Using hospitals, mosques, schools, for military purposes is a War Crime. The list goes on. Pretty certain they are low on rockets. Out of them? No. Israel found 30,000 Hamas weapons in the north.

I’m a DP and you’re correct.

But all you’ve proven is that both sides have committed war crimes. That doesn’t absolve either side.

Zero proof of Israeli war crimes.

White Phosphorus causes fourth degree burns up to 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit which means it can burn through flesh and bone and disintegrate bone within second and has been used by Israel in Lebanon and Gaza predominantly on infants and children.

The use of white phosphorus is a war crime. It burns and is worse than what the Nazis used . It’s horrendous to do that rather than fight a real ground wars that’s the only way to actually fight Hamas. They went on the ground in Israel. Israel couldve went on the ground in Gaza. It’s literally the size of Manhattan. It’s tiny

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

Hamas Embedding within civilian infrastructure in the manner they do is a War Crime. Firing rockets at civilians is a War Crime. Hijacking humanitarian aid, as alleged, is a War Crime. Using hospitals, mosques, schools, for military purposes is a War Crime. The list goes on. Pretty certain they are low on rockets. Out of them? No. Israel found 30,000 Hamas weapons in the north.

I’m a DP and you’re correct.

But all you’ve proven is that both sides have committed war crimes. That doesn’t absolve either side.

Zero proof of Israeli war crimes.

White Phosphorus causes fourth degree burns up to 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit which means it can burn through flesh and bone and disintegrate bone within second and has been used by Israel in Lebanon and Gaza predominantly on infants and children.

The use of white phosphorus is a war crime. It burns and is worse than what the Nazis used . It’s horrendous to do that rather than fight a real ground wars that’s the only way to actually fight Hamas. They went on the ground in Israel. Israel couldve went on the ground in Gaza. It’s literally the size of Manhattan. It’s tiny

Lying sacks of trash like the "zero proof of Israeli war crimes" bozo are not even worth responding to - just an immoral, racist POS masquerading as a human being.

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

Hamas Embedding within civilian infrastructure in the manner they do is a War Crime. Firing rockets at civilians is a War Crime. Hijacking humanitarian aid, as alleged, is a War Crime. Using hospitals, mosques, schools, for military purposes is a War Crime. The list goes on. Pretty certain they are low on rockets. Out of them? No. Israel found 30,000 Hamas weapons in the north.

I’m a DP and you’re correct.

But all you’ve proven is that both sides have committed war crimes. That doesn’t absolve either side.

Zero proof of Israeli war crimes.

The “proof” is the same on both sides— the action taken violates known laws of armed conflict.(In this case, collective punishment, targeting civilian infrastructure disproportionate to the military value of the target, using starvation as a weapon of war) You’re correct that neither side has been taken to the ICJ for it yet, though Israel has announced they will be defending themselves against the charges brought by S. Africa.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe

I have both a Palestinian friend and a Lebanese friend. I have spent countless hours listening to their fears over their and their children’s safely here in the US. I am not disputing your feelings, but asking you if you can have the compassion to understand it’s not just Jews who are afraid? There are multiple victims of hatred.

Ps. I am Jewish too. But I truly believe it this is not a simplistic conflict of good vs evil. It’s a conflict of a two intertwined tragic histories.

DP. Actually, the conflict between Israel and Hamas (I repeat, Hamas) is one of good versus evil.

Good people don’t occupy other peoples lands.

Well, regarding Hamas, Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza. Hamas, in a vicious act of aggression, slaughtered Israelis on October 7. This is not Rocket Science. Are people here really rooting for Hamas?

Gaza is considered occupied territory, sorry for your small brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe

I have both a Palestinian friend and a Lebanese friend. I have spent countless hours listening to their fears over their and their children’s safely here in the US. I am not disputing your feelings, but asking you if you can have the compassion to understand it’s not just Jews who are afraid? There are multiple victims of hatred.

Ps. I am Jewish too. But I truly believe it this is not a simplistic conflict of good vs evil. It’s a conflict of a two intertwined tragic histories.

DP. Actually, the conflict between Israel and Hamas (I repeat, Hamas) is one of good versus evil.

Good people don’t occupy other peoples lands.

Well, regarding Hamas, Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza. Hamas, in a vicious act of aggression, slaughtered Israelis on October 7. This is not Rocket Science. Are people here really rooting for Hamas?

Yes.