Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

Why should the Palestinians leave their country? Why can’t the Israelis compensate the Palestinians for pain, suffering and property that was taken from them? Israel needs to do the right thing and allow the Palestinians to return to their homes with full rights of citizenship.

Why let the criminals win?

The criminal aggressor is Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

What an odd post. Saying "f****** Jew," as alleged, is way worse than an off color remark. The Jewish players are the victims here.

But why did that kid say that? There’s a good chance that he never heard that phrase from his parents. How do we stop this? People say blame the parents, but trust me it is not always the parents’ fault.

Maybe he saw the Jews of the IDF killing children, killing hostages and bombing hospitals?

The accused player is a she. Please keep up.

No it’s a boy basketball player from Queens

This is a perfect example of the simpletons and their knee jerk reactions. The accused platter is, in fact a “she” . Don’t comment if you didn’t even glance at the info.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

Obviously. But while there is bombing isn’t it better to move them out of harms way?

And then what? Israel won’t let them back in. So what’s the plan? And how can you ask Egypt (or anyone) to take a million people indefinitely?

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Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

Not a dumb question at all -- a very smart and perspicacious question, imo.

Forty percent of people in Gaza are 14 and younger. That means there are close to 900,000 kids in Gaza who really are children (as opposed to 16 and 17 year olds, who are almost adults). For the past three months, they've seen their families and their pets being killed and their homes destroyed. They're not going to school or getting their regular vaccinations. Many have been badly injured and have received inadequate treatment due to lack of medication. Some have had surgery without anesthetic. Many will have lifelong physical disabilities, and all of them will be psychologically affected. Many are now orphans. The videos coming out of Gaza show children looking increasingly malnourished, and some are emaciated. Israeli leaders have said the war will continue for at least a year, so there is no relief in sight for these kids.

Obviously, not all of them will survive much longer. Perhaps some of them could be placed with loving families around the world for the duration of the war and returned to their parents or relatives later? They desperately need the basic necessities of food, shelter, and physical safety, along with education and health care. They need love and stability, and most will need therapy. I've seen interviews of a couple of little kids from Gaza. They were so cute, bright, and articulate, but they were also very angry. It will take a lot of nurture and care to prevent them from growing up to be vengeful.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

Obviously. But while there is bombing isn’t it better to move them out of harms way?

And then what? Israel won’t let them back in. So what’s the plan? And how can you ask Egypt (or anyone) to take a million people indefinitely?

Egypt has literally been "given" Gaza a million times. And they won't take it.

They open the border here and there for aid trucks, which Hamas immediately steals. But there is no chance that border is opening for Palestinian refugees.

Palestinians are in a bad spot. No one regionally is coming in to aid them.

Some very poor decision making on the part of people in Gaza. The situation is genuinely bleak.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

Not a dumb question at all -- a very smart and perspicacious question, imo.

Forty percent of people in Gaza are 14 and younger. That means there are close to 900,000 kids in Gaza who really are children (as opposed to 16 and 17 year olds, who are almost adults). For the past three months, they've seen their families and their pets being killed and their homes destroyed. They're not going to school or getting their regular vaccinations. Many have been badly injured and have received inadequate treatment due to lack of medication. Some have had surgery without anesthetic. Many will have lifelong physical disabilities, and all of them will be psychologically affected. Many are now orphans. The videos coming out of Gaza show children looking increasingly malnourished, and some are emaciated. Israeli leaders have said the war will continue for at least a year, so there is no relief in sight for these kids.

Obviously, not all of them will survive much longer. Perhaps some of them could be placed with loving families around the world for the duration of the war and returned to their parents or relatives later? They desperately need the basic necessities of food, shelter, and physical safety, along with education and health care. They need love and stability, and most will need therapy. I've seen interviews of a couple of little kids from Gaza. They were so cute, bright, and articulate, but they were also very angry. It will take a lot of nurture and care to prevent them from growing up to be vengeful.

They would not be allowed to return to their parents in Gaza or the West Bank.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

Obviously. But while there is bombing isn’t it better to move them out of harms way?

And then what? Israel won’t let them back in. So what’s the plan? And how can you ask Egypt (or anyone) to take a million people indefinitely?

Egypt has literally been "given" Gaza a million times. And they won't take it.

They open the border here and there for aid trucks, which Hamas immediately steals. But there is no chance that border is opening for Palestinian refugees.

Palestinians are in a bad spot. No one regionally is coming in to aid them.

Some very poor decision making on the part of people in Gaza. The situation is genuinely bleak.

None of the 900,000 children under 14 had anything to do with the election of Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

"Bombing" has largely been replaced by targeted drone strikes, it would appear. Maybe not all of it, but a whole lot. And of course, Hamas is fully capable of ending the conflict by stopping. Until then, the IDF will pursue its goals of dismantling Hamas.

Yes I see, doing a great job of eliminating these pesky Al-Dahdouh children with the drone strikes. Hamas, not so much. Reporter’s kids, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually everything Hamas does, in fighting against Israel, is a war crime and immoral.

Hamas has done rocket strikes . They aren’t a war crime because they don’t do much damage or kill mass amounts of people to quantify as war crime .

Hamas only has one war crime to their name in 30 years and that’s 10/7.

Israel has hundreds of war crimes before there was even war -pre-10/7. Killing journalists , arresting minors indefinitely without charge, allowing settlers to settle illegally outside of the borders of Israel and harrass, evict, and kill civilians are all acts of war.

It’s just that Hamas isn’t dumb enough to strike right after Israel killed Christian American journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh or raided the Al Aqsa Mosque . Israel is always on high alert and cracks down on Palestinians right after an incident . Hamas wanted to get Israel by surprise when nothing was going on the same way Palestinians in the West Bank were caught by surprise and killed when nothing was going on. That poor woman was killed while on the air doing a report. She’s a mother from New Jersey and Israel lied and said they didn’t do it and even killed people at her funeral. Was it all worth it to bully the West Bank ?
Now they are going to be worse than Hamas in five years after Abbas dies.

Israel makes foolish mistake after mistake . Obama warned Bibi years ago to keep the peace in the West Bank so Hamas will die out on own.

Hamas doesn’t have the albatross around its neck in my estimation even if 100k Gazans die. The greatest power is influence and Israel loses more popularity and control over the narrative the more it continues on the war . At this point, the only thing to let Israel win back public opinion is another Hamas
Attack on Israel to justify an extended war on the part of Israel. Hamas has if you noticed stop bombing Israel . It’s not because they don’t have rockets. It’s because they want to play the woe is me card to the world and it’s sadly working

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe

I have both a Palestinian friend and a Lebanese friend. I have spent countless hours listening to their fears over their and their children’s safely here in the US. I am not disputing your feelings, but asking you if you can have the compassion to understand it’s not just Jews who are afraid? There are multiple victims of hatred.

Ps. I am Jewish too. But I truly believe it this is not a simplistic conflict of good vs evil. It’s a conflict of a two intertwined tragic histories.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

"Bombing" has largely been replaced by targeted drone strikes, it would appear. Maybe not all of it, but a whole lot. And of course, Hamas is fully capable of ending the conflict by stopping. Until then, the IDF will pursue its goals of dismantling Hamas.

Yes I see, doing a great job of eliminating these pesky Al-Dahdouh children with the drone strikes. Hamas, not so much. Reporter’s kids, yes.

It is an extremely difficult campaign, and the IDF has neutralized at least 8,000 terrorists in the north of the Gaza Strip alone. Tough fighting in central and south. Try to take a more nuanced approach, perhaps.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

Obviously. But while there is bombing isn’t it better to move them out of harms way?

And then what? Israel won’t let them back in. So what’s the plan? And how can you ask Egypt (or anyone) to take a million people indefinitely?

Egypt has literally been "given" Gaza a million times. And they won't take it.

They open the border here and there for aid trucks, which Hamas immediately steals. But there is no chance that border is opening for Palestinian refugees.

Palestinians are in a bad spot. No one regionally is coming in to aid them.

Some very poor decision making on the part of people in Gaza. The situation is genuinely bleak.

None of the 900,000 children under 14 had anything to do with the election of Hamas.

2.3 million people in total in Gaza

900,000 under 14.

Some wonderful decision making.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe

I have both a Palestinian friend and a Lebanese friend. I have spent countless hours listening to their fears over their and their children’s safely here in the US. I am not disputing your feelings, but asking you if you can have the compassion to understand it’s not just Jews who are afraid? There are multiple victims of hatred.

Ps. I am Jewish too. But I truly believe it this is not a simplistic conflict of good vs evil. It’s a conflict of a two intertwined tragic histories.

DP. Actually, the conflict between Israel and Hamas (I repeat, Hamas) is one of good versus evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?

It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.

First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.

But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.

So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …

Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.

"Bombing" has largely been replaced by targeted drone strikes, it would appear. Maybe not all of it, but a whole lot. And of course, Hamas is fully capable of ending the conflict by stopping. Until then, the IDF will pursue its goals of dismantling Hamas.

Yes I see, doing a great job of eliminating these pesky Al-Dahdouh children with the drone strikes. Hamas, not so much. Reporter’s kids, yes.

They hate journalists and commenters . Arresting their own citizens for criticizing the government is a very Middle Eastern thing to do. That’s no democracy, honey.

Eventually, I predict Haaretz will be cracked down upon as well. It’s a very popular left wing Israeli publication -the MSNBC of Israel-and is very anti Bibi and has been accused of being pro Hamas by right wingers in Israel. They’re going to go through a post 9/11 Bush era baby tyranny where anyone questioning war is tarred and feathered as a disloyal unpatriotic terror sympathizer . It’s already happening over there. Israelis who’ve been outspoken about the war on social media have been harrassed and in the case of Israeli Palestinians/Arabs arrested without charge. The veneer of Israel as a democracy is chipping away and to show the idiocy of the nations leaders -they are killing more AlJazeera correspondents at a time when they need Qatar (Al Jazeera’s headquarters) help more than ever. They can’t squash Hamas leadership without Qatar