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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.
"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.
Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.
In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.
There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.
There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.
Was this in the US?
Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.
Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?
Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.
Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.
Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?
I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.
Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.
You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.
To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.
And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.
And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/
https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/
Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.
You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.
Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."
Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.
You gave two tragic examples of people being attacked and murdered. Of course they are tragic, and I wish they never happened, but my point that the sheer scale of the anti-semitism being displayed in the US currently is far greater than two isolated incidents of hate. All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe, who feels like they are not targeted by people who would rather support Hamas than the brave men and women of the IDF.
If you want to play that, “which side has been brutally murdered more” game, which is highly inappropriate, here are just a few of the Jewish Americans who were murdered recently due to the current wave of anti-semitism, which you certainly ignored:
* Samantha Woll - Detroit Jewish Leader murdered in her own home:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12917901/amp/Detroit-Samantha-Woll-stabbed-EIGHT-times-face-neck.html
* Paul Kessler - Elderly Jewish counter protester brutally beaten at a Pro-Hamas protest in California:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/17/us/paul-kessler-death-arrest-court-appearance/index.html
You don’t have to take my word for it, the brutal rise in anti-demotion following October 7th is widely documented and accepted:
https://www.heritage.org/religious-liberty/commentary/the-inconvenient-facts-about-antisemitism-the-us
If you want to call for peace, call for Hamas to surrender unconditionally and for their leaders to immediately surrender themselves so Israel can try them for their crimes and execute those found guilty. It is not Israel’s duty to let Hamas commit genocide against both the Jewish people and innocent Palestinians.
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