Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

DP

I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

Exactly - I don't care if people want to opine, theorize, and speculate, although some of their theories and speculations are ridiculous . The more conspiracy theory your opinions sound and the more you try and make your opinion fact - the more push back you will get. At this point this thread is pointless for actual case discussion.

Hey, this is a public forum on entertainment. If you want case discussion, go to legal forum or start your own.

Just basic common sense of critical thinking could make it interesting - even on an entertainment forum. It seems like it is now mostly conspiracy theories and fan fiction.

Then find a different forum, since our opinions are not worthy of discussion. We’re the people, and are just as entitled to opinions.

There are two sides to this case, the actual legal process and how a jury of public men and women would respond to the evidence and facts of this case as presented. Through a preponderance of the evidence, non of what BL has shared seems reasonable enough to state a claim for SH. I just provided the why some jurors might support this.

You’re entitled to continue hammering thru the legal side. But the jury decides at the end of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

Agree I don’t think race was at play as much as a power dynamic over Jamey and Justin. Blake believes she is better than them, so deserves to take over the film. Blake has a history of being rude and entitled to other white women and men, as seen in past interviews. She doesn’t discriminate when it comes to trying to throw her weight around.

OK, but some wine in a professional advising role to Blake should have thought of this. Even if it has nothing to do with race, you have to admit the optics don’t look great here.

Can we all just admit that the bar for sexual harassment is incredibly high? When I think of all the cases that have hit the news in the past several years, it’s been multiple women coming forward, after years of abuse. That’s kind of the bar here. Not saying that’s ideal or right, but this is the world we in.

If you come out claiming sexual harassment, the bar needs to be high just for your own protection because the world will tear you down. So either advisors of Blake thought that they had an airtight case, or there were ulterior motives at and they thought they could steamroll this guy. But someone, in scrutinizing this case, should have picked up that heath’s race and the kind of accusations being made against him might become a problem.

It seems like this has occurred to no one, which is really telling to me.

It’s the retaliation claim that is strong.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

DP and I disagree with you calling this poster insane.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

I think you can’t see what many of us can see. That’s why I said that without even seeing the delivery scene, that I bet the doctor guy BL had complained about was a POC.

I just saw the scene online. I was right.

All I can say is that I have experience with a lot of what I’ve stated. I interact with a lot of people. I knew nothing about BL but looked at this case legally and could not connect her argument. Again, a nothingburger assuming you looked at it one way which is how I did, thinking that JH was white.

Once I saw that pic, it all made sense.

Let’s see if the JS details come to light. But so far, legally and in the court of public opinion, just not seeing the SH.

As for the TikTok video, it was actually pretty decent and informative. And I think perhaps the third tik tok video that I’ve ever watched. It’s on Reddit.

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Anonymous wrote:I really can’t imagine what someone could have said about the sanctity of motherhood that would upset me enough to report them. It’s such a bizarre claim. There seems to be a large lack of life skills with some of these folks.

I think it's possible the THR reporter is not describing the interaction accurately. This is such a weird round about way of describing it without actually saying whatever it is he said to Slate. I agree it's hard to imagine what he could say about the sanctity of motherhood that would give rise to an HR complaint. Since it doesn't make sense at all, I will assume that I have not been given enough info about it to understand. Instead of just assuming "ladies be crazy! she must be racist!"

Whose HR would this be? I thought Sony said they didn't receive any complaints.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

DP and I disagree with you calling this poster insane.

DP from all of the above and I agree with PP that that person sounds insane.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

I think it's impossible to evaluate the Jenny Slate allegation without actually knowing what he said. All THR said was that it had to do with motherhood and that it made Slate uncomfortable enough that she filed an HR report. You are assuming you know what he said but you don't, none of us do.

So maybe before you start speculating someone must be a racist for filing a single HR complaint on a set where other people also experienced inappropriate behavior, you could wait until you actually know what the HR complaints said and why Slate felt Heath's comment crossed a line.

I guarantee that JS took an innocent banter that may have been somewhat cultural, and twisted it into something that was offensive because it was being said by a man of color. She probably felt uncomfortable with his presence in her personal space at a certain time of day because she was alone. Or it could have been he was really nice and that made her uncomfortable.

What would have been totally okay behavior by someone who was not a POC became weaponized.

And having BL and JS report that ‘he/they made us feel uncomfortable’ is akin to trying to get a POC fired because you did not like them.

Despicable.

You "guarantee" it? Based on what? What about Jenny Slate's history or things she in the past would lead you to believe that she was simply uncomfortable being alone with a black man and ran to HR to report an innocuous statement because of her raging racism?

There is also zero evidence that Slate or Blake Lively reported that interactions with Heath were uncomfortable with the goal of getting him fired. He was a producer on the film and a CEO at Wayfarer so not really a "fire-able" position. Most of Lively's allegations are focused on Baldoni, not Heath, who was also not fire-able.

You are inventing a narrative in which Jenny Slate, who has sued no one, did not even want to come forward with this allegation (and it appears still hasn't come forward with it, actually), and has zero history of bad behavior on set or in the press, is a racist who tried to get a black man fired. But that's not what happened, at all.

You need to stop and look at your own behavior here. When y'all were going after Lively you could at least argue that she has a problematic history, is known to be hard to work with, that the way she handled things with Baldoni were escalating on her side. But none of that is true for Slate. So when you go after her in the exact same way, it really starts to look like just raging misogyny and a mob who loves nothing more than to call a woman names and tear her down.

Absolutely agree with this. The comments in the is thread are getting bizarre. Have to skip a bunch of the crazy ones.

JS may simply be a woman who felt uncomfortable at a certain time of the day, in the company of a man of color. It happens.

Like you, I will await to hear what exactly was said that made her feel uncomfortable. I’m sure it was the context of how she interpreted his words that is the bigger issue. Or he may been a little mouthy and talked a lot about motherhood, which could have elicited a “this is not comfortable vibe.” His faith and how they view motherhood was probably at play, as opposed to anything specifically being said that was offensive.

It’s like RR talking about his body. Some people will just brush it off as this guys a little different and to each his own, while others will feel like he crossed a line.

I predict that what was said was in that grey area. The complaint went nowhere though, and there is a reason why.

But here is the deal. This case is not going to trial. We all know that. So it will probably not be revealed.

These are wealthy, entitled actresses, these aren’t your white women colleagues. These women complain about a $15,000/month apartment. They aren’t relatable to normal people of any color. They don’t want to associate with people below them, they are ambitious and want to get ahead. They have no room for the little people.

Jamey Heath is a millionaire. He's a successful music producer who was/is CEO of a studio that has produced not only IEWU but the Will Farrell doc Will & Harper and the Garfield movie. He lives in a very nice house (well, lived, I think he is one of the people whose nice house burned down in the fire, but do you understand what houses in Palisades go for? He is not a "normal" person here).

Anyway, the interaction we're talking about was between two millionaires (Jenny Slate and Jamey Heath) discussing a piece of property in NYC. And it was Heath who seemed more blasé about the 15k security deposit than Slate, indicating that this was more money to her than it was to him.

A lot of you are falling prey to the idea that a the more famous a person is, the richer and more powerful they are. In reality, this is not the case. The richest, most powerful person in this story is the least famous one -- Steve Sarowitz. The next richest/most powerful is Ari Emanuel, who most of you had never heard of before. Probably next is Ryan and Blake -- both famous and very rich and Reynolds is pretty powerful. But after them is definitely Baldoni and Heath -- very wealthy and as executives at Wayfarer and director/producers on the movie, powerful within the context of this film. Plus Baldoni is famous due to his podcast, TED talk, and books, as well as from Jane the Virgin which was on a broadcast network and in which he was a lead. And then way down below them is Jenny Slate. Somewhat famous but only as a performer and writer. She's been in some more mainstream stuff but in smaller roles -- she had a small role in Parks & Rec, for instance, but was only in a handful of episodes. She had a supporting role in an FX show. She does have a Netflix comedy special but she is probably best known for doing the voice-over and cowriting Marcel the Shell, which to be clear, is a stop-motion animation movie about a shell, based on a Youtube series she did years ago. And this is what she is MOST famous for.

Jenny Slate is not a power player. Just because you are more likely to have heard of her than Jamey Heath does not make her richer or more powerful than Heath. Movie sets are full of people like Heath -- wealthy, powerful producers that the average person would have no idea who they were but who have a lot of control on set. Slate had a smaller role in the movie and also has a somewhat slim resume for dramatic acting (better known for voice-over and comedy work) so this job was probably a big deal for her -- a larger budget and very wide distribution, and she was featured in the promotion for the film. A huge step up for her.

When Lively was interacting with Baldoni and Heath, you can very easily argue that she had more power than they did. But when Slate was interacting with them, you can't. These men were richer and more powerful than she is, and she was very much their employee and a subordinate on that set.

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

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I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

Exactly - I don't care if people want to opine, theorize, and speculate, although some of their theories and speculations are ridiculous . The more conspiracy theory your opinions sound and the more you try and make your opinion fact - the more push back you will get. At this point this thread is pointless for actual case discussion.

Hey, this is a public forum on entertainment. If you want case discussion, go to legal forum or start your own.

Just basic common sense of critical thinking could make it interesting - even on an entertainment forum. It seems like it is now mostly conspiracy theories and fan fiction.

Then find a different forum, since our opinions are not worthy of discussion. We’re the people, and are just as entitled to opinions.

There are two sides to this case, the actual legal process and how a jury of public men and women would respond to the evidence and facts of this case as presented. Through a preponderance of the evidence, non of what BL has shared seems reasonable enough to state a claim for SH. I just provided the why some jurors might support this.

You’re entitled to continue hammering thru the legal side. But the jury decides at the end of the day.

She isn’t a lawyer and isn’t claiming to be. She’s pissed that others won’t agree that BL had a cloth draped across the underside of her vulva in the birth scene and that Heath drooled looking at her topless.

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

DP

I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

The racism jumped out there. Lord.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

I think you can’t see what many of us can see. That’s why I said that without even seeing the delivery scene, that I bet the doctor guy BL had complained about was a POC.

I just saw the scene online. I was right.

All I can say is that I have experience with a lot of what I’ve stated. I interact with a lot of people. I knew nothing about BL but looked at this case legally and could not connect her argument. Again, a nothingburger assuming you looked at it one way which is how I did, thinking that JH was white.

Once I saw that pic, it all made sense.

Let’s see if the JS details come to light. But so far, legally and in the court of public opinion, just not seeing the SH.

As for the TikTok video, it was actually pretty decent and informative. And I think perhaps the third tik tok video that I’ve ever watched. It’s on Reddit.

You seem to have a very broad definition of person of color. How exactly are Justin Baldoni and Adam Monschein POC?

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I think it's possible the THR reporter is not describing the interaction accurately. This is such a weird round about way of describing it without actually saying whatever it is he said to Slate. I agree it's hard to imagine what he could say about the sanctity of motherhood that would give rise to an HR complaint. Since it doesn't make sense at all, I will assume that I have not been given enough info about it to understand. Instead of just assuming "ladies be crazy! she must be racist!"

Whose HR would this be? I thought Sony said they didn't receive any complaints.

Some people are surprised that in Blake’s 114 page amendment there is still mention of HR complaints but no evidence. Not an email even with a ton of redacted info. Not a text from the costars saying well I just filed the complaint let’s see what happens. Nothing.

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I was curious so I looked this up. Jamie Heath is married to Natasha Heath, she works with birthing and women in postpartum through indigenous care practices. First generation Columbian. Perhaps her views on motherhood influence Heath.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

It is impossible to take you seriously with comments like the bolded. Do you even hear yourself? You sound insane.

Not insane in the slightest. Tiktok sleuths were partly responsible for Freedman amending his lawsuit with new allegations coming to light about the NYT metadata. They were also allegedly the ones Blake’s team leaked the 3 HR complaints to because the news media refused to cover them out of litigious fear.

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Sam Baldoni, Justin's father is also on the payroll at Wayfarer as a senior executive consultant. He was the Chairman and CEO of Baldoni Entertainment for 37 years before joining Wayfarer as a Board Member and now an Executive Consultant.

Wayfarer does have an HR director but I haven't seen her name mentioned in anything. You would think she would have been involved in the on set meetings related to the behavioral complaints.