Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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I think BL has an ugly history of acting above and being horrible to many people, not just POC. I do agree that the stuff of asking Heath to talk to her with his back turned is problematic and ugly given he apparently presents and identified as Black (mixed). That’s not good and all of her defenders her won’t make it good for me or for most sane adults.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

DP

I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

Exactly - I don't care if people want to opine, theorize, and speculate, although some of their theories and speculations are ridiculous . The more conspiracy theory your opinions sound and the more you try and make your opinion fact - the more push back you will get. At this point this thread is pointless for actual case discussion.

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Look at the baby bump interview, would that have been worse if it was a black woman? Blake was horrible towards that interviewer who was white.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

I think it's impossible to evaluate the Jenny Slate allegation without actually knowing what he said. All THR said was that it had to do with motherhood and that it made Slate uncomfortable enough that she filed an HR report. You are assuming you know what he said but you don't, none of us do.

So maybe before you start speculating someone must be a racist for filing a single HR complaint on a set where other people also experienced inappropriate behavior, you could wait until you actually know what the HR complaints said and why Slate felt Heath's comment crossed a line.

I guarantee that JS took an innocent banter that may have been somewhat cultural, and twisted it into something that was offensive because it was being said by a man of color. She probably felt uncomfortable with his presence in her personal space at a certain time of day because she was alone. Or it could have been he was really nice and that made her uncomfortable.

What would have been totally okay behavior by someone who was not a POC became weaponized.

And having BL and JS report that ‘he/they made us feel uncomfortable’ is akin to trying to get a POC fired because you did not like them.

Despicable.

You "guarantee" it? Based on what? What about Jenny Slate's history or things she in the past would lead you to believe that she was simply uncomfortable being alone with a black man and ran to HR to report an innocuous statement because of her raging racism?

There is also zero evidence that Slate or Blake Lively reported that interactions with Heath were uncomfortable with the goal of getting him fired. He was a producer on the film and a CEO at Wayfarer so not really a "fire-able" position. Most of Lively's allegations are focused on Baldoni, not Heath, who was also not fire-able.

You are inventing a narrative in which Jenny Slate, who has sued no one, did not even want to come forward with this allegation (and it appears still hasn't come forward with it, actually), and has zero history of bad behavior on set or in the press, is a racist who tried to get a black man fired. But that's not what happened, at all.

You need to stop and look at your own behavior here. When y'all were going after Lively you could at least argue that she has a problematic history, is known to be hard to work with, that the way she handled things with Baldoni were escalating on her side. But none of that is true for Slate. So when you go after her in the exact same way, it really starts to look like just raging misogyny and a mob who loves nothing more than to call a woman names and tear her down.

Absolutely agree with this. The comments in the is thread are getting bizarre. Have to skip a bunch of the crazy ones.

JS may simply be a woman who felt uncomfortable at a certain time of the day, in the company of a man of color. It happens.

Like you, I will await to hear what exactly was said that made her feel uncomfortable. I’m sure it was the context of how she interpreted his words that is the bigger issue. Or he may been a little mouthy and talked a lot about motherhood, which could have elicited a “this is not comfortable vibe.” His faith and how they view motherhood was probably at play, as opposed to anything specifically being said that was offensive.

It’s like RR talking about his body. Some people will just brush it off as this guys a little different and to each his own, while others will feel like he crossed a line.

I predict that what was said was in that grey area. The complaint went nowhere though, and there is a reason why.

But here is the deal. This case is not going to trial. We all know that. So it will probably not be revealed.

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What did JH allegedly say to JS that was so offensive? Is there a quote somewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

DP

I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

Exactly - I don't care if people want to opine, theorize, and speculate, although some of their theories and speculations are ridiculous . The more conspiracy theory your opinions sound and the more you try and make your opinion fact - the more push back you will get. At this point this thread is pointless for actual case discussion.

Hey, this is a public forum on entertainment. If you want case discussion, go to legal forum or start your own.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

I think it's impossible to evaluate the Jenny Slate allegation without actually knowing what he said. All THR said was that it had to do with motherhood and that it made Slate uncomfortable enough that she filed an HR report. You are assuming you know what he said but you don't, none of us do.

So maybe before you start speculating someone must be a racist for filing a single HR complaint on a set where other people also experienced inappropriate behavior, you could wait until you actually know what the HR complaints said and why Slate felt Heath's comment crossed a line.

I guarantee that JS took an innocent banter that may have been somewhat cultural, and twisted it into something that was offensive because it was being said by a man of color. She probably felt uncomfortable with his presence in her personal space at a certain time of day because she was alone. Or it could have been he was really nice and that made her uncomfortable.

What would have been totally okay behavior by someone who was not a POC became weaponized.

And having BL and JS report that ‘he/they made us feel uncomfortable’ is akin to trying to get a POC fired because you did not like them.

Despicable.

You "guarantee" it? Based on what? What about Jenny Slate's history or things she in the past would lead you to believe that she was simply uncomfortable being alone with a black man and ran to HR to report an innocuous statement because of her raging racism?

There is also zero evidence that Slate or Blake Lively reported that interactions with Heath were uncomfortable with the goal of getting him fired. He was a producer on the film and a CEO at Wayfarer so not really a "fire-able" position. Most of Lively's allegations are focused on Baldoni, not Heath, who was also not fire-able.

You are inventing a narrative in which Jenny Slate, who has sued no one, did not even want to come forward with this allegation (and it appears still hasn't come forward with it, actually), and has zero history of bad behavior on set or in the press, is a racist who tried to get a black man fired. But that's not what happened, at all.

You need to stop and look at your own behavior here. When y'all were going after Lively you could at least argue that she has a problematic history, is known to be hard to work with, that the way she handled things with Baldoni were escalating on her side. But none of that is true for Slate. So when you go after her in the exact same way, it really starts to look like just raging misogyny and a mob who loves nothing more than to call a woman names and tear her down.

Absolutely agree with this. The comments in the is thread are getting bizarre. Have to skip a bunch of the crazy ones.

I don’t know enough about Jenny Slate to comment. All I read is that her $15,000/month apartment wasn’t conducive to raising her child.

Well then you can't read because it wasn't a 15k a month apartment (or at least that's not what the article says). She rented an apartment on her own dime but there was an issue and she wanted to move (on her own dime) but the landlord was saying she'd have to forfeit a 15k security deposit to get out of the lease. I know that number sounds insane, and it is, but it was a short term lease on an apartment in Manhattan which is a brutal rental market. Landlords can ask for and get almost anything there. She specifically did not want to just forfeit 15k so she was staying put. It was Heath who, out of the blue, offered to have Wayfarer reimburse her for the security deposit so that she could move to an apartment that she was happier with, but then said something about motherhood that is not specified but that Slate found alarming. We don't know what it was, the article said it was something about the "sanctity of motherhood" but that's insanely vague.

Your misread of the article is pretty emblematic, though, of how people are approaching this controversy. You are imposing your own expectations in order to see what you want to see. The truth is that we know almost nothing about this incident, no one has seen the HR complaint she filed, and we don't even know where the reporter got the info on it. Who did the reporter talk to? Heath? Slate? Both? A third party who had seen the complaint? Someone who heard about it second or third hand? We have no idea.

But in any case, it was not a 15k/month apartment (that we know of) and Slate was not demanding to move but lamenting having to stay because she didn't feel she could afford to lose a security deposit of that size.

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

DP

I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

Exactly - I don't care if people want to opine, theorize, and speculate, although some of their theories and speculations are ridiculous . The more conspiracy theory your opinions sound and the more you try and make your opinion fact - the more push back you will get. At this point this thread is pointless for actual case discussion.

Hey, this is a public forum on entertainment. If you want case discussion, go to legal forum or start your own.

These posters aren’t lawyers and they haven’t read everything. They are mad as hell that people, mostly women here, do not see this as legitimately involving sexism or harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:What did JH allegedly say to JS that was so offensive? Is there a quote somewhere?

No. All the THR article says is that it was about "the sanctity of motherhood" which is incredibly vague. No one knows what he actually said and no one know what specifically her HR complaint was about except that it apparently referenced this interaction.

We basically know nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:What did JH allegedly say to JS that was so offensive? Is there a quote somewhere?

No, almost nothing it known at all. There was one article that gave two sentences making a general statement about her concern with almost no details and no quotes.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

I think it's impossible to evaluate the Jenny Slate allegation without actually knowing what he said. All THR said was that it had to do with motherhood and that it made Slate uncomfortable enough that she filed an HR report. You are assuming you know what he said but you don't, none of us do.

So maybe before you start speculating someone must be a racist for filing a single HR complaint on a set where other people also experienced inappropriate behavior, you could wait until you actually know what the HR complaints said and why Slate felt Heath's comment crossed a line.

I guarantee that JS took an innocent banter that may have been somewhat cultural, and twisted it into something that was offensive because it was being said by a man of color. She probably felt uncomfortable with his presence in her personal space at a certain time of day because she was alone. Or it could have been he was really nice and that made her uncomfortable.

What would have been totally okay behavior by someone who was not a POC became weaponized.

And having BL and JS report that ‘he/they made us feel uncomfortable’ is akin to trying to get a POC fired because you did not like them.

Despicable.

You "guarantee" it? Based on what? What about Jenny Slate's history or things she in the past would lead you to believe that she was simply uncomfortable being alone with a black man and ran to HR to report an innocuous statement because of her raging racism?

There is also zero evidence that Slate or Blake Lively reported that interactions with Heath were uncomfortable with the goal of getting him fired. He was a producer on the film and a CEO at Wayfarer so not really a "fire-able" position. Most of Lively's allegations are focused on Baldoni, not Heath, who was also not fire-able.

You are inventing a narrative in which Jenny Slate, who has sued no one, did not even want to come forward with this allegation (and it appears still hasn't come forward with it, actually), and has zero history of bad behavior on set or in the press, is a racist who tried to get a black man fired. But that's not what happened, at all.

You need to stop and look at your own behavior here. When y'all were going after Lively you could at least argue that she has a problematic history, is known to be hard to work with, that the way she handled things with Baldoni were escalating on her side. But none of that is true for Slate. So when you go after her in the exact same way, it really starts to look like just raging misogyny and a mob who loves nothing more than to call a woman names and tear her down.

Absolutely agree with this. The comments in the is thread are getting bizarre. Have to skip a bunch of the crazy ones.

JS may simply be a woman who felt uncomfortable at a certain time of the day, in the company of a man of color. It happens.

Like you, I will await to hear what exactly was said that made her feel uncomfortable. I’m sure it was the context of how she interpreted his words that is the bigger issue. Or he may been a little mouthy and talked a lot about motherhood, which could have elicited a “this is not comfortable vibe.” His faith and how they view motherhood was probably at play, as opposed to anything specifically being said that was offensive.

It’s like RR talking about his body. Some people will just brush it off as this guys a little different and to each his own, while others will feel like he crossed a line.

I predict that what was said was in that grey area. The complaint went nowhere though, and there is a reason why.

But here is the deal. This case is not going to trial. We all know that. So it will probably not be revealed.

These are wealthy, entitled actresses, these aren’t your white women colleagues. These women complain about a $15,000/month apartment. They aren’t relatable to normal people of any color. They don’t want to associate with people below them, they are ambitious and want to get ahead. They have no room for the little people.

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Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.

You do realize all the legal documents are public, right? You’re acting like people are just relying on Hollywood reporters or influencers.

I would say 99% of the people on here are relying pretty much entirely on secondary sources. Clearly most haven't read the documents in their entirety or understood what they say and don't say. Almost no one on here even understands what a legal claim of sexual harrassment is which is why half the post are about how one specific thing isn't sexual harrassment (in their eyes) so clearly BL is lying or she wore a bathing suit on social media so she can't be sexually harrassed etc. Rarely are the documents themselves and legal aspects being referenced and a lawsuit complaint in itself isn't the full picture - that is why there is still discovery and depositions to come.

No. You haven’t read. Don’t attack and presume everyone here who read both complaints and now including her amended complaint and see that her claims are empty.

The Jezebel comment tracks though I don’t love the usage of “narcissistic injury.”

I mean, if someone on Jezebel posted it, then it must be true. Now you will go about saying you have facts and evidence...not realizing Jezebel is just people speculating and sharing opinions.

I wasn’t citing jezebel as the basis for my view. You and your ilk here consistently ruin the thread. It’s such a drag.

“I would like to post a bunch of poisonous baseless bs and you keep ruining the thread by disagreeing with me and posting contrary evidence.”

DP

I don’t have as much of a problem with comments when you are civil-ish and don’t constantly talk about the people the author doesn’t like as being evil or despicable. This isn’t a telenovela. If comments stick to fact-ish stuff they wouldn’t get as much pushback. When comments are crazy-ish they will get more pushback.

Exactly - I don't care if people want to opine, theorize, and speculate, although some of their theories and speculations are ridiculous . The more conspiracy theory your opinions sound and the more you try and make your opinion fact - the more push back you will get. At this point this thread is pointless for actual case discussion.

Hey, this is a public forum on entertainment. If you want case discussion, go to legal forum or start your own.

Just basic common sense of critical thinking could make it interesting - even on an entertainment forum. It seems like it is now mostly conspiracy theories and fan fiction.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

The sanctity of motherhood comments either on their own or collectively with other actions made her uncomfortable enough that she went to Sony and complained.

So far I don't think there is any indication his race is at play. The complaints are about all 3 executives of Wayfarer and mostly aimed at Jamey and Justin who were on set. People of any race can do wrong and so far I don't see anything that makes it seem that becase he is biracial she has complained about him any differently than Justin.

I respect your opinion but do not buy it. There is a lot of racial stuff at play here. When you are a POC, you see it right away. That’s how once I saw JH’s pic yesterday, it all made sense.

Another POC did a tik tok that I viewed just now and she summed it up perfectly.

The reality is that BL’s allegations take on a totally different context when you factor in JB and JH as being POC.

Glad JB saved receipts.

Justin is not a POC and Heath is biracial. I don’t believe Blake’s accusations but alleging that racism was also at play here is incorrect. Blake would have found a way to accuse a white woman director of some crime, Blake gets what Blake wants, regardless of color.

Nah, it’s racism alright. There is a TikTok video that sort of paints the narrative a bit better.

But I do agree with you, BL would have schemed differently had it been a white woman. But nonetheless, she would have played a different game.

She’s power hungry and it’s amazing to me that TS could not see this, or she did and was okay with it because they are peas in a pod.

The end of my discussion on this. BL has nothing. There are women out there, without power who have been seriously harassed and even worse, that SH claims are used to protect. Nothing so far even comes close to adding up to the legal definition of SH. Not even close.

It’s sad and rather despicable to finally get was this has all been all about.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire weight discussion is the least interesting thing about this case. No one and I mean, not even Blake’s team thinks asking about weight is sexual harassment. They’re trying to paint a pattern of uncomfortable behavior blah blah blah, but when the rest of the evidence is so scant that falls apart too. The fact that people are insisting on bringing it up, means that they have nothing else.

Anyway, attention is now being paid to the fact that Jamiy Heath is a person of color. This ran under the radar for a long time because the focus was on Justin and even if you go back a couple of weeks ago, most people who were debating this case, thought that all the incidents were about Justin. I think this Jenny Slate complaint, being that it’s about Heath, has bought him more into the light and now the internet is starting to pick up on the fact that these two white women repeatedly made fairly stereotypical complaints about him.

I’d like to learn more about Jenny’s complaint, but it seems like his sanctity of motherhood comment just made her uncomfortable. Would love to know why. Did something just seem off? HMMMM.

And I don’t think it’s going to look good for Blake that she is giving into the oversexed stereotype. He just couldn’t tear his eyes away from her in that trailer! He just couldn’t keep from showing me p*rn on set! I’m really wondering why her team went that route, I think they probably just wanted to get the number of complaints up and thought it was all going to be focused on Justin and people weren’t going to take this deep a look. And, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of her team is white and they just not thinking about this. I think the next few weeks they’re going to be going on quite a journey here.

I think it's impossible to evaluate the Jenny Slate allegation without actually knowing what he said. All THR said was that it had to do with motherhood and that it made Slate uncomfortable enough that she filed an HR report. You are assuming you know what he said but you don't, none of us do.

So maybe before you start speculating someone must be a racist for filing a single HR complaint on a set where other people also experienced inappropriate behavior, you could wait until you actually know what the HR complaints said and why Slate felt Heath's comment crossed a line.

I guarantee that JS took an innocent banter that may have been somewhat cultural, and twisted it into something that was offensive because it was being said by a man of color. She probably felt uncomfortable with his presence in her personal space at a certain time of day because she was alone. Or it could have been he was really nice and that made her uncomfortable.

What would have been totally okay behavior by someone who was not a POC became weaponized.

And having BL and JS report that ‘he/they made us feel uncomfortable’ is akin to trying to get a POC fired because you did not like them.

Despicable.

You "guarantee" it? Based on what? What about Jenny Slate's history or things she in the past would lead you to believe that she was simply uncomfortable being alone with a black man and ran to HR to report an innocuous statement because of her raging racism?

There is also zero evidence that Slate or Blake Lively reported that interactions with Heath were uncomfortable with the goal of getting him fired. He was a producer on the film and a CEO at Wayfarer so not really a "fire-able" position. Most of Lively's allegations are focused on Baldoni, not Heath, who was also not fire-able.

You are inventing a narrative in which Jenny Slate, who has sued no one, did not even want to come forward with this allegation (and it appears still hasn't come forward with it, actually), and has zero history of bad behavior on set or in the press, is a racist who tried to get a black man fired. But that's not what happened, at all.

You need to stop and look at your own behavior here. When y'all were going after Lively you could at least argue that she has a problematic history, is known to be hard to work with, that the way she handled things with Baldoni were escalating on her side. But none of that is true for Slate. So when you go after her in the exact same way, it really starts to look like just raging misogyny and a mob who loves nothing more than to call a woman names and tear her down.

Absolutely agree with this. The comments in the is thread are getting bizarre. Have to skip a bunch of the crazy ones.

I don’t know enough about Jenny Slate to comment. All I read is that her $15,000/month apartment wasn’t conducive to raising her child.

Well then you can't read because it wasn't a 15k a month apartment (or at least that's not what the article says). She rented an apartment on her own dime but there was an issue and she wanted to move (on her own dime) but the landlord was saying she'd have to forfeit a 15k security deposit to get out of the lease. I know that number sounds insane, and it is, but it was a short term lease on an apartment in Manhattan which is a brutal rental market. Landlords can ask for and get almost anything there. She specifically did not want to just forfeit 15k so she was staying put. It was Heath who, out of the blue, offered to have Wayfarer reimburse her for the security deposit so that she could move to an apartment that she was happier with, but then said something about motherhood that is not specified but that Slate found alarming. We don't know what it was, the article said it was something about the "sanctity of motherhood" but that's insanely vague.

Your misread of the article is pretty emblematic, though, of how people are approaching this controversy. You are imposing your own expectations in order to see what you want to see. The truth is that we know almost nothing about this incident, no one has seen the HR complaint she filed, and we don't even know where the reporter got the info on it. Who did the reporter talk to? Heath? Slate? Both? A third party who had seen the complaint? Someone who heard about it second or third hand? We have no idea.

But in any case, it was not a 15k/month apartment (that we know of) and Slate was not demanding to move but lamenting having to stay because she didn't feel she could afford to lose a security deposit of that size.

Whatever, Jenny Slate is really not a player in this right now. She may be a princess but most likely she is a very down to earth, middle class, girl next door, I am sure she os very relatable to most people of all colors.