Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.

Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."

Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.

You gave two tragic examples of people being attacked and murdered. Of course they are tragic, and I wish they never happened, but my point that the sheer scale of the anti-semitism being displayed in the US currently is far greater than two isolated incidents of hate. All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe, who feels like they are not targeted by people who would rather support Hamas than the brave men and women of the IDF.

If you want to play that, “which side has been brutally murdered more” game, which is highly inappropriate, here are just a few of the Jewish Americans who were murdered recently due to the current wave of anti-semitism, which you certainly ignored:

* Samantha Woll - Detroit Jewish Leader murdered in her own home: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12917901/amp/Detroit-Samantha-Woll-stabbed-EIGHT-times-face-neck.html

* Paul Kessler - Elderly Jewish counter protester brutally beaten at a Pro-Hamas protest in California: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/17/us/paul-kessler-death-arrest-court-appearance/index.html

You don’t have to take my word for it, the brutal rise in anti-demotion following October 7th is widely documented and accepted:

https://www.heritage.org/religious-liberty/commentary/the-inconvenient-facts-about-antisemitism-the-us

If you want to call for peace, call for Hamas to surrender unconditionally and for their leaders to immediately surrender themselves so Israel can try them for their crimes and execute those found guilty. It is not Israel’s duty to let Hamas commit genocide against both the Jewish people and innocent Palestinians.

Why isn't it appropriate to play the body count game? There's your hurt feelings on one side of the scale, and a pile of dead children on the other. Guess which one weighs more?

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Anonymous wrote:Israel really, really, really hates Al-Jazeera's bureau chief in Gaza Wael al-Dahdouh.

On October 26, they killed his wife Amna, his 15-year old son Mahmoud, his 7-year old daughter Sham, and his 18-month grandson Adam. They were killed in a "safe location" where IDF instructed them to evacuate from the north.

In December, IDF wounded him in a drone strike and killed his cameraman Samer Abu Daqqa, who was left to bleed out in the street while IDF shooters prevented medical help from reaching him.

Today in southern Gaza they killed his oldest son Hamza, an Al-Jazeera's network journalist and cameraman. Another freelance journalist Mustafa Thuraya was killed with him.

I don't know how much grief one person can take and still stand straight.

The IDF is incredibly vindictive and vicious. Like every autocratic regime, it deliberately targets voices who speak out against it. It tracks down the people it hates and either murders them or their families or both. Of course, it is going after this poor man. Israel is an evil regime. When the obviously fake story about "a baby baked in an oven" came out, a Palestinian writer, Refaat Alareer, joked about baking powder being used. This may not have been in the best taste, but he was obviously thinking of baking a baby as a creative act in the same way as baking a cake, and the story of the baby in an oven was not true. However, this made him a marked man. The IDF called him as he was taking refuge in an UNRWA school in Gaza and told him it was going to kill him. Not wanting the thousands of other refugees in the building to be killed, he left. The IDF tracked him to his sister's apartment and bombed it, killing him, his sister, and his sister's four children. This was a calculated, brutal atrocity.

Didn't this "writer" also freelance as a recruiter for Hamas?

No, but he was openly critical of Israel, and that's what got him killed by a country that does not respect international law.

Openly critical of Israel, and covertly recruiting for Israel's enemy. It tracks.

So every open critic of Israel is "covertly recruiting for Israel's enemy" and deserves to die? This is an incredibly fascistic belief. We should all have freedom of expression. Nobody wants to live in a world where we kill those we disagree with.

DP... there's a line between legitimate criticism versus deliberate, repeating of outright falsehoods and hyperbolic exaggerations crafted by Hamas propagandists intended to provoke an emotional response. I've seen that line crossed many times on this thread. I'm not the only one, either - others have called it out as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow…seems like some brainwashing going on here, that’s a bit extreme. So, who determines if one is actually Jewish then, you?

It’s not hard at all. Either you unconditionally support and praise Israel’s humanitarian mission in Gaza, or you support Hamas in its genocidal mission against Jewish people all over the world.

No middle ground.

The released hostages and the families of the hostages are calling for negotiation with Hamas, criticizing the conduct of the IDF and Netanyahu, and describing their experiences in Gaza enduring IDF bombing as anything but “humanitarian”.

So tell me. You think the hostages are Hamas supporters?

Stockholm syndrome is a well known condition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome#:~:text=Stockholm%20syndrome%20is%20a%20proposed,%2C%20kidnapping%2C%20and%20abusive%20relationships.

Then why are the families hostages still in Gaza calling for negotiated settlement? Hard to have Stockholm syndrome when you’re not a hostage…?

You have to ask them. Some may incorrectly believe that Hamas will keep their kids alive if they are vocally supportive of Hamas. Others may, incorrectly, believe Hamas is capable of good faith negotiation despite their previous track record.

It is not my place to speak for those families experiencing such tragic loss.

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

“Free Palestine” is not a slur. The fact that you think so is a show of Zionist fragility. Because Palestine is not free, it’s occupied and that is a fact. Even if it hurts your feelings.

Gaza sure was not occupied. Hamas drove it into hell.

lol ok tell DoS please since they interpret occupation differently:

"The Occupied Territories, which include the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are subject to the jurisdiction of Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), with the division of responsibilities overlapping in much of the territory. "
https://www.state.gov/reports/2016-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-and-the-occupied-territories/israel-and-the-occupied-territories-the-occupied-territories/#:~:text=The%20Occupied%20Territories%2C%20which%20include,in%20much%20of%20the%20territory.

You think you can just go by what "feels occupied" and not by actual definition of occupation?

I mean, Israel withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago. Hamas was elected as Gazans' representative and drove Fatah away. So I am not sure what the reference to the PA is. Israel took measures regarding Gaza because, well, like, Hamas is Israel's sworn enemy and took terrorist actions to that effect. Hamas took Gaza and turned it into an autocratic hell scape.

I mean, there is an international definition of occupation and it may not coincide with stuff in your head.

Also, occupation is not only for the nice people. If you blockade/occupy folks you don't like, it still counts as blockade/occupation.

The definition was debatable and nuanced post the date of your linked document. What is in my head is reality and reason. Hamas wrecked Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

What an odd post. Saying "f****** Jew," as alleged, is way worse than an off color remark. The Jewish players are the victims here.

But why did that kid say that? There’s a good chance that he never heard that phrase from his parents. How do we stop this? People say blame the parents, but trust me it is not always the parents’ fault.

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

“Free Palestine” is not a slur. The fact that you think so is a show of Zionist fragility. Because Palestine is not free, it’s occupied and that is a fact. Even if it hurts your feelings.

Gaza sure was not occupied. Hamas drove it into hell.

lol ok tell DoS please since they interpret occupation differently:

"The Occupied Territories, which include the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are subject to the jurisdiction of Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), with the division of responsibilities overlapping in much of the territory. "
https://www.state.gov/reports/2016-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-and-the-occupied-territories/israel-and-the-occupied-territories-the-occupied-territories/#:~:text=The%20Occupied%20Territories%2C%20which%20include,in%20much%20of%20the%20territory.

You think you can just go by what "feels occupied" and not by actual definition of occupation?

I mean, Israel withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago. Hamas was elected as Gazans' representative and drove Fatah away. So I am not sure what the reference to the PA is. Israel took measures regarding Gaza because, well, like, Hamas is Israel's sworn enemy and took terrorist actions to that effect. Hamas took Gaza and turned it into an autocratic hell scape.

I mean, there is an international definition of occupation and it may not coincide with stuff in your head.

Also, occupation is not only for the nice people. If you blockade/occupy folks you don't like, it still counts as blockade/occupation.

The definition was debatable and nuanced post the date of your linked document. What is in my head is reality and reason. Hamas wrecked Gaza.

Guess what? Occupying and blockading a piece of land ruled by people you disagree with also counts as occupation and siege. Occupation is not only for the nice people.

What you call "reality and reason" doesn't matter. There is an internationally agreed upon definition of occupation, and that's what matters.

In contrast, many prominent international institutions, organizations and bodies—including the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, UN General Assembly (UNGA), European Union (EU), African Union, International Criminal Court (ICC) (both Pre-Trial Chamber I and the Office of the Prosecutor), Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch—as well as international legal experts and other organizations, argue that Israel has occupied Palestinian territories including Gaza since 1967.1 While they acknowledge that Israel no longer had the traditional marker of effective control after the disengagement—a military presence—they hold that with the help of technology, it has maintained the requisite control in other ways.

The status of Israel’s occupation is legally significant, as it determines the legal obligations Israel owes to Gaza. Occupying states have heightened responsibilities to protect local populations and have the basic health and safety supplies they need to survive. Given concerns about Israel’s actions in Gaza—such as possible war crimes, including starvation and the denial of humanitarian aid—Israel would likely be in breach of these obligations.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/gaza-israel-occupied-international-law/

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Remember this next time you read a CNN piece on the conflict:

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/04/cnn-israel-gaza-idf-reporting/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

WHETHER REPORTING FROM the Middle East, the United States, or anywhere else across the globe, every CNN journalist covering Israel and Palestine must submit their work for review by the news organization’s bureau in Jerusalem prior to publication, under a long-standing CNN policy. While CNN says the policy is meant to ensure accuracy in reporting on a polarizing subject, it means that much of the network’s recent coverage of the war in Gaza — and its reverberations around the world — has been shaped by journalists who operate under the shadow of the country’s military censor.

Like all foreign news organizations operating in Israel, CNN’s Jerusalem bureau is subject to the rules of the Israel Defense Forces’s censor, which dictates subjects that are off-limits for news organizations to cover, and censors articles it deems unfit or unsafe to print. As The Intercept reported last month, the military censor recently restricted eight subjects, including security cabinet meetings, information about hostages, and reporting on weapons captured by fighters in Gaza. In order to obtain a press pass in Israel, foreign reporters must sign a document agreeing to abide by the dictates of the censor.

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

What an odd post. Saying "f****** Jew," as alleged, is way worse than an off color remark. The Jewish players are the victims here.

But why did that kid say that? There’s a good chance that he never heard that phrase from his parents. How do we stop this? People say blame the parents, but trust me it is not always the parents’ fault.

Maybe he saw the Jews of the IDF killing children, killing hostages and bombing hospitals?

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

What an odd post. Saying "f****** Jew," as alleged, is way worse than an off color remark. The Jewish players are the victims here.

But why did that kid say that? There’s a good chance that he never heard that phrase from his parents. How do we stop this? People say blame the parents, but trust me it is not always the parents’ fault.

He said it because he is a Hamas supporter. Maybe he was brainwashed into being a Hamas supporter by his parents. Maybe he is deep into TikTok where Hamas support and propaganda is spread (and the US government has yet to shut down). Maybe he is just a dweeb saving up his lunch money to go to Gaza and join up because he dreams of killing Jews.

Why he is a monstrous Hamas supporter does not matter. The problem is that the US refuses to hold these people legally accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

are you trying to say that the harassment at the game was the Jews' own fault?
Just like 10/7?

No, not at all. I am curious because I have heard my child make off color remarks about all different types of people, my child is a tween though and neurodiverse. But I worry about her offending people as well as her safety. She has no filter. Does anyone else have this experience with their kids? Or just me?

Me too. I also have a neurodiverse child who, until she was about six, would make inappropriate comments in a loud piercing voice. These included remarking rather obsessively on the size of some poor woman's posterior, announcing that the man behind us in line at a grocery store was "pregnant" (he had a bit of a pot belly), and asking why another child had such "dark skin -- it's almost black." According to the parenting books I've read, one should use these moments for teaching compassion, but I was always so overwhelmed with embarrassment that I would apologize and rush off as fast as I could. I would, however, work with her at home to try to help her understand how her comments might make other people feel. As a teen, she is now more careful not to blurt things out. My neurotypical children automatically knew not to make insensitive comments, even when they were toddlers. I think people understand if your child is either young or obviously neurodiverse, but the comments must still sting

It is tough and my dc will notice other races and verbalize how they look different and ask them why they look that way. Other parents have been deeply offended and I believe they think we are racist. We have explained how and why people have different characteristics and how humans evolved but any difference, she will point out, including cultural beliefs and rituals etc. and then proceed to tell the child why she doesn’t like that. Not that she doesn’t like them but she doesn’t like their culture because she likes sameness and hates change and can’t understand others’ points of view. Because of her remarks I am sure people think she and our family our bigots. I can’t trust her anywhere. Not that I empathize with these basketball players, but my dc will make really offensive comments out of absolutely no where.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow…seems like some brainwashing going on here, that’s a bit extreme. So, who determines if one is actually Jewish then, you?

It’s not hard at all. Either you unconditionally support and praise Israel’s humanitarian mission in Gaza, or you support Hamas in its genocidal mission against Jewish people all over the world.

No middle ground.

The released hostages and the families of the hostages are calling for negotiation with Hamas, criticizing the conduct of the IDF and Netanyahu, and describing their experiences in Gaza enduring IDF bombing as anything but “humanitarian”.

So tell me. You think the hostages are Hamas supporters?

Stockholm syndrome is a well known condition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome#:~:text=Stockholm%20syndrome%20is%20a%20proposed,%2C%20kidnapping%2C%20and%20abusive%20relationships.

Then why are the families hostages still in Gaza calling for negotiated settlement? Hard to have Stockholm syndrome when you’re not a hostage…?

You have to ask them. Some may incorrectly believe that Hamas will keep their kids alive if they are vocally supportive of Hamas. Others may, incorrectly, believe Hamas is capable of good faith negotiation despite their previous track record.

It is not my place to speak for those families experiencing such tragic loss.

Just to accuse them of psychological disorders, got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

What an odd post. Saying "f****** Jew," as alleged, is way worse than an off color remark. The Jewish players are the victims here.

But why did that kid say that? There’s a good chance that he never heard that phrase from his parents. How do we stop this? People say blame the parents, but trust me it is not always the parents’ fault.

Maybe he saw the Jews of the IDF killing children, killing hostages and bombing hospitals?

The accused player is a she. Please keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember this next time you read a CNN piece on the conflict:

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/04/cnn-israel-gaza-idf-reporting/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

WHETHER REPORTING FROM the Middle East, the United States, or anywhere else across the globe, every CNN journalist covering Israel and Palestine must submit their work for review by the news organization’s bureau in Jerusalem prior to publication, under a long-standing CNN policy. While CNN says the policy is meant to ensure accuracy in reporting on a polarizing subject, it means that much of the network’s recent coverage of the war in Gaza — and its reverberations around the world — has been shaped by journalists who operate under the shadow of the country’s military censor.

Like all foreign news organizations operating in Israel, CNN’s Jerusalem bureau is subject to the rules of the Israel Defense Forces’s censor, which dictates subjects that are off-limits for news organizations to cover, and censors articles it deems unfit or unsafe to print. As The Intercept reported last month, the military censor recently restricted eight subjects, including security cabinet meetings, information about hostages, and reporting on weapons captured by fighters in Gaza. In order to obtain a press pass in Israel, foreign reporters must sign a document agreeing to abide by the dictates of the censor.

So read one of the innumerable other sources that will give readers the Hamas propaganda side.

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Anonymous wrote:Do American jewish children ever judge other people who look different than them or ever make off color remarks? Because I know despite what I teach my child at home they tend to say very offensive things sometimes much to my chagrin.

What an odd post. Saying "f****** Jew," as alleged, is way worse than an off color remark. The Jewish players are the victims here.

But why did that kid say that? There’s a good chance that he never heard that phrase from his parents. How do we stop this? People say blame the parents, but trust me it is not always the parents’ fault.

Maybe he saw the Jews of the IDF killing children, killing hostages and bombing hospitals?

The accused player is a she. Please keep up.

No it’s a boy basketball player from Queens

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

“Free Palestine” is not a slur. The fact that you think so is a show of Zionist fragility. Because Palestine is not free, it’s occupied and that is a fact. Even if it hurts your feelings.

Gaza sure was not occupied. Hamas drove it into hell.

lol ok tell DoS please since they interpret occupation differently:

"The Occupied Territories, which include the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are subject to the jurisdiction of Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), with the division of responsibilities overlapping in much of the territory. "
https://www.state.gov/reports/2016-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-and-the-occupied-territories/israel-and-the-occupied-territories-the-occupied-territories/#:~:text=The%20Occupied%20Territories%2C%20which%20include,in%20much%20of%20the%20territory.

You think you can just go by what "feels occupied" and not by actual definition of occupation?

I mean, Israel withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago. Hamas was elected as Gazans' representative and drove Fatah away. So I am not sure what the reference to the PA is. Israel took measures regarding Gaza because, well, like, Hamas is Israel's sworn enemy and took terrorist actions to that effect. Hamas took Gaza and turned it into an autocratic hell scape.

I mean, there is an international definition of occupation and it may not coincide with stuff in your head.

Also, occupation is not only for the nice people. If you blockade/occupy folks you don't like, it still counts as blockade/occupation.

The definition was debatable and nuanced post the date of your linked document. What is in my head is reality and reason. Hamas wrecked Gaza.

Guess what? Occupying and blockading a piece of land ruled by people you disagree with also counts as occupation and siege. Occupation is not only for the nice people.

What you call "reality and reason" doesn't matter. There is an internationally agreed upon definition of occupation, and that's what matters.

In contrast, many prominent international institutions, organizations and bodies—including the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, UN General Assembly (UNGA), European Union (EU), African Union, International Criminal Court (ICC) (both Pre-Trial Chamber I and the Office of the Prosecutor), Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch—as well as international legal experts and other organizations, argue that Israel has occupied Palestinian territories including Gaza since 1967.1 While they acknowledge that Israel no longer had the traditional marker of effective control after the disengagement—a military presence—they hold that with the help of technology, it has maintained the requisite control in other ways.

The status of Israel’s occupation is legally significant, as it determines the legal obligations Israel owes to Gaza. Occupying states have heightened responsibilities to protect local populations and have the basic health and safety supplies they need to survive. Given concerns about Israel’s actions in Gaza—such as possible war crimes, including starvation and the denial of humanitarian aid—Israel would likely be in breach of these obligations.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/gaza-israel-occupied-international-law/

Israel had been providing plenty to Gaza prior to the October 7 massacre. Even now, with its humanitarian corridors and allowing fuel and aid for Gazans and Hamas, it is dong more than any other attacked country would.