Big 3 (or thereabouts) College Results - Class of 2021

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Anonymous wrote:Reading this i can't stop thinking of people like Trump being admitted....what sport did he play?

The press secretary is the best advertisement for Harvard outcomes that can be imagined. Can she spell her own name? "Trump will make many calls and have many meetings!!!"

I think she's a completely evil person but it's actually quite impressive how she does her job.
I could never spin answers on the spot like she does.
It shows a pretty quick wit.
She's many things but I wouldn't call her dumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this i can't stop thinking of people like Trump being admitted....what sport did he play?

The press secretary is the best advertisement for Harvard outcomes that can be imagined. Can she spell her own name? "Trump will make many calls and have many meetings!!!"

I think she's a completely evil person but it's actually quite impressive how she does her job.
I could never spin answers on the spot like she does.
It shows a pretty quick wit.
She's many things but I wouldn't call her dumb.

Easy to spin things when you don’t care about whether or not you’re lying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this i can't stop thinking of people like Trump being admitted....what sport did he play?

The press secretary is the best advertisement for Harvard outcomes that can be imagined. Can she spell her own name? "Trump will make many calls and have many meetings!!!"

I think she's a completely evil person but it's actually quite impressive how she does her job.
I could never spin answers on the spot like she does.
It shows a pretty quick wit.
She's many things but I wouldn't call her dumb.

Easy to spin things when you don’t care about whether or not you’re lying.

Of course it is. Her job is not to tell the truth, it’s to stick to a narrative. She is spectacularly good at what she does. True, she sold her soul to the devil, has no values at her core and will do anything to win, but that’s nothing new - in this administration or in a certain population in any top school at the secondary and higher levels.

[Anonymous]

Don't mistake having no conscience for being smart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this i can't stop thinking of people like Trump being admitted....what sport did he play?

The press secretary is the best advertisement for Harvard outcomes that can be imagined. Can she spell her own name? "Trump will make many calls and have many meetings!!!"

I think she's a completely evil person but it's actually quite impressive how she does her job.
I could never spin answers on the spot like she does.
It shows a pretty quick wit.
She's many things but I wouldn't call her dumb.

You realized she transferred to Harvard Law as a 3L - something almost unheard of. She was at a low tier law school for the first two years. She was at Harvard Law for one year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't mistake having no conscience for being smart.

This. Anyone could stand up there and lie all day if they had no conscience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't mistake having no conscience for being smart.

She's good at being snarky and rude but not actually smart. Years ago, she had a column on a then-popular blog in the legal industry (Above The Law). No writer there was more universally criticized in the comments than her. Even the conservatives would take her down for constructing such poor arguments in support of ideas they believed in.

I think she's someone who can regurgitate memorized talking points quickly (a key to law school), but she's not good at building arguments on her own.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading this i can't stop thinking of people like Trump being admitted....what sport did he play?

The press secretary is the best advertisement for Harvard outcomes that can be imagined. Can she spell her own name? "Trump will make many calls and have many meetings!!!"

I think she's a completely evil person but it's actually quite impressive how she does her job.
I could never spin answers on the spot like she does.
It shows a pretty quick wit.
She's many things but I wouldn't call her dumb.

You realized she transferred to Harvard Law as a 3L - something almost unheard of. She was at a low tier law school for the first two years. She was at Harvard Law for one year.

Quite different than going to Harvard College.

[Anonymous]

She didn't memorize. She had tabbed binders and would read a response based on the question.

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What college the kid got in?

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Anonymous wrote:ok so your kid knows one smart athlete. when you get to a top college it is striking how different the academic strengths are of the athletes vs the non athlete.

I was an athlete in college and its always amusing to me that some people feel the need to put young people in categories.

If you are an Olympic swimmer ... OK cool, but the law of nature is assumed to be that that's all you got and you are - aside from that an idiot.

To the contrary, what is born out is that being a really good athlete takes more than talent. It requires a great deal of perseverance, determination, high pain threshold and enough of an imagination to dream big... then never give up.

In other words, after 3 hours a day of that for 4-6 years since age 13, AP Physics might just be a walk in the park. Especially, if Dad was a science geek.

I was an Ivy league athlete. While there were exceptions, my teammates were nowhere near as intellectual, well educated or thoughtful as my friends who weren't on the team. Some teams had a higher level of academics (mens crew, most womens sports), but the men's teams, gimme a break...

when was this, 1990? I think things have changed a bit in Ivy admissions since you attended...

Not according to the Harvard data.

The issue isn't whether athletic recruits are minimally qualified academically for Harvard, it's whether they are equally academically qualified compared to non-athletes, such as musicians who have practiced 3 hours day for many years. In most cases, as a group, athletes had inferior academic qualifications. It doesn't mean they aren't intelligent on an absolute basis, though.

So if it’s a difference if a very talented athlete with a 1470 SAT and 3.9 GPA(with difficult coursework in HS), vs yet another non athlete 4.3 and 1565 SAT applicant, they want some variety of skills and personality. Doesn’t mean the athlete isn’t very bright and highly able. If you are talking a 1250 SAT and 3.1 GPA student athlete taking a spot at Harvard because of athletic ability that would be different and not fair IMO. [/quote]

PP, this isn't left to whim of the Admissions team they use the AI ( Academic Index) and they have a quota limit on how many athletes the athletic department can give favor to based on the Academic Index of SAT/ACT and GPA: 1600/ 36 & 4.0 being an AI of 240.

they can favor only those within 1-3 standard deviations of that 240 with biggest block going to 2 SD of 240 and - mostly to football/ basketball players. An Ivy can only give athletic assist to a VERY few who fall 3 SD away from 240 ( 1-3 athletes ) AND that is only for big draw sports like FB.

In other words, maybe a great QB with a 3.7 and a 1400, but not a fencer or a wrestler

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ok so your kid knows one smart athlete. when you get to a top college it is striking how different the academic strengths are of the athletes vs the non athlete.

I was an athlete in college and its always amusing to me that some people feel the need to put young people in categories.

If you are an Olympic swimmer ... OK cool, but the law of nature is assumed to be that that's all you got and you are - aside from that an idiot.

To the contrary, what is born out is that being a really good athlete takes more than talent. It requires a great deal of perseverance, determination, high pain threshold and enough of an imagination to dream big... then never give up.

In other words, after 3 hours a day of that for 4-6 years since age 13, AP Physics might just be a walk in the park. Especially, if Dad was a science geek.

I was an Ivy league athlete. While there were exceptions, my teammates were nowhere near as intellectual, well educated or thoughtful as my friends who weren't on the team. Some teams had a higher level of academics (mens crew, most womens sports), but the men's teams, gimme a break...

when was this, 1990? I think things have changed a bit in Ivy admissions since you attended...

Not according to the Harvard data.

The issue isn't whether athletic recruits are minimally qualified academically for Harvard, it's whether they are equally academically qualified compared to non-athletes, such as musicians who have practiced 3 hours day for many years. In most cases, as a group, athletes had inferior academic qualifications. It doesn't mean they aren't intelligent on an absolute basis, though.

So if it’s a difference if a very talented athlete with a 1470 SAT and 3.9 GPA(with difficult coursework in HS), vs yet another non athlete 4.3 and 1565 SAT applicant, they want some variety of skills and personality. Doesn’t mean the athlete isn’t very bright and highly able. If you are talking a 1250 SAT and 3.1 GPA student athlete taking a spot at Harvard because of athletic ability that would be different and not fair IMO. [/quote]

PP, this isn't left to whim of the Admissions team they use the AI ( Academic Index) and they have a quota limit on how many athletes the athletic department can give favor to based on the Academic Index of SAT/ACT and GPA: 1600/ 36 & 4.0 being an AI of 240.

they can favor only those within 1-3 standard deviations of that 240 with biggest block going to 2 SD of 240 and - mostly to football/ basketball players. An Ivy can only give athletic assist to a VERY few who fall 3 SD away from 240 ( 1-3 athletes ) AND that is only for big draw sports like FB.

In other words, maybe a great QB with a 3.7 and a 1400, but not a fencer or a wrestler

Good post. I would also that high-school GPA is not a good indicator of academic excellence, which should be defined as a professor at a top university. Very few Harvard undergraduates can become a professor at a top university. Only the super talented can. What are the indicators of such academic potential? Top competitors in Math Olympia, physics Olympia, and other national level academic competitions. Hard working high-school students with average intelligence have no shot at a professor, especially in the hard disciplines, in a top university. Outside academia, what really matters for becoming a leader is not GPA. Leadership, personality, and other intangibles matter more. How does a student gain those qualities? Athletic competition is one of the best ways to train toughness, perseverance, emotional control, dealing with failures, performance under pressure, etc.

The goal of Ivy schools is to produce leaders in various fields. Who are more likely to become leaders? Once passing certain intelligence, it is easy to get a high GPA or SAT. Indeed, so many students get a perfect SAT. A bad SAT or GPA is a good indicator of LOW chance of success, but not a good indicator of Great successes.

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Unfortunately, this is probably the real reasonable universities discriminate against Asians. 75% of TJ students are Asians! How many of them become leaders in academia or industries?

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You realized she transferred to Harvard Law as a 3L - something almost unheard of. She was at a low tier law school for the first two years. She was at Harvard Law for one year.

This can’t be true. In law school, your degree comes from the school where you attended the majority of the time. So, if her JD is from Harvard, she did at least two years there.

[Anonymous]

^ She transferred after her first year.