Subtle signs of class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also (WC profile writer here), I haven't weighed in on any of the horse show stuff, but I love the person writing it. Horse person, you should make a reality show about billionaire horse people and the hustlers who swindle them by overcharging for horses. Make sure to emphasize the cocaine. I'd binge watch that.

Thx but I'm telling you it's been done better and it is called Riders. If you are mildly interested in horses and have a beach in your future, you're welcome.
https://www.amazon.com/Riders-Jilly-Cooper/dp/0743297008

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also (WC profile writer here), I haven't weighed in on any of the horse show stuff, but I love the person writing it. Horse person, you should make a reality show about billionaire horse people and the hustlers who swindle them by overcharging for horses. Make sure to emphasize the cocaine. I'd binge watch that.

Thx but I'm telling you it's been done better and it is called Riders. If you are mildly interested in horses and have a beach in your future, you're welcome.
https://www.amazon.com/Riders-Jilly-Cooper/dp/0743297008

I forgot also, I've actually never read this one but one of America's top riders in recent decades was a child phenom whose father watched from across the road because he was banned for life for his involvement in this mudering-horses-for-insurance-money thing that was somehow connected to a human murder also. Fun twist: one of the horses they murdered was the beloved steed of a girl who grew up to be John Edwards's mistress in that scandal I didn't care about because John Edwards was always gross. In fairness as far as I know the son is completely boring and just wins a lot except for there was one thing about plastic chips in boots (to make hitting the jumps hurt more (the horses's boots)) but a) who cares honestly and b) maybe I'm just not in on the hot goss.

https://www.amazon.com/Hot-Blood-Money-Heiress-Murders/dp/0312143583

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also (WC profile writer here), I haven't weighed in on any of the horse show stuff, but I love the person writing it. Horse person, you should make a reality show about billionaire horse people and the hustlers who swindle them by overcharging for horses. Make sure to emphasize the cocaine. I'd binge watch that.

Thx but I'm telling you it's been done better and it is called Riders. If you are mildly interested in horses and have a beach in your future, you're welcome.
https://www.amazon.com/Riders-Jilly-Cooper/dp/0743297008

Ha! Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WC Profile Writer -- thanks for your insights. Do you follow the British Royal Family? Could you please give me your take on Kate Middleton (raised UMC) and Meghan Markle (raised MC/WC). Even though they are royals now, you have implied in previous posts that a person never changes from the class in which they were raised.

I have only recently started following the BRF since we now have a black American princess. I have a lot of connection to Europe and some time immersed in British culture. So I can answer questions about British class, but place less confidence in these insights.

No one can change their class. But hot women, who are intelligent and highly socially aware, can fake it til they make it. In fact, being a hot woman with a messy upbringing is its own form of sexy to the very rich man, who feels slighted and misunderstood in spite of the world being at his feet. My prediction is that between KM and MM, MM will be more popular and have more gravitas bc she is more authentic, which the rich love. KM is a good con artist.

DP. Does anybody remember that brief hiatus Will and Kate took before getting back together and getting engaged? For some weird reason I remember the British UC snarking about Kate being middle class. I particularly remember (because I have a Barbour jacket) someone snarking that “Kate knows how to wear her Barbour jacket just right, but she’ll never be one of us.” Ouch.

I wonder what they say about Meghan Markle.


Side note: one of William’s former flames, Isabella Calthorpe, married Richard Branson’s son. She is sisters with Cressida Bonas, Harry’s former girlfriend. They have titles, but Branson is loaded, so maybe it doesn’t matter that Branson wasn’t Aristocratic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WC Profile Writer -- thanks for your insights. Do you follow the British Royal Family? Could you please give me your take on Kate Middleton (raised UMC) and Meghan Markle (raised MC/WC). Even though they are royals now, you have implied in previous posts that a person never changes from the class in which they were raised.

I have only recently started following the BRF since we now have a black American princess. I have a lot of connection to Europe and some time immersed in British culture. So I can answer questions about British class, but place less confidence in these insights.

No one can change their class. But hot women, who are intelligent and highly socially aware, can fake it til they make it. In fact, being a hot woman with a messy upbringing is its own form of sexy to the very rich man, who feels slighted and misunderstood in spite of the world being at his feet. My prediction is that between KM and MM, MM will be more popular and have more gravitas bc she is more authentic, which the rich love. KM is a good con artist.

DP. Does anybody remember that brief hiatus Will and Kate took before getting back together and getting engaged? For some weird reason I remember the British UC snarking about Kate being middle class. I particularly remember (because I have a Barbour jacket) someone snarking that “Kate knows how to wear her Barbour jacket just right, but she’ll never be one of us.” Ouch.

I wonder what they say about Meghan Markle.


Side note: one of William’s former flames, Isabella Calthorpe, married Richard Branson’s son. She is sisters with Cressida Bonas, Harry’s former girlfriend. They have titles, but Branson is loaded, so maybe it doesn’t matter that Branson wasn’t Aristocratic.

Sir Richard Branson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.

And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).

I could not disagree with the clutter bit more. Some of the most cultured and intelligent people have houses filled with random treasures, often heirlooms or from trips. It is only clutter to the uncurious mind.

[Anonymous]

*Reads in Poor*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WC Profile Writer -- thanks for your insights. Do you follow the British Royal Family? Could you please give me your take on Kate Middleton (raised UMC) and Meghan Markle (raised MC/WC). Even though they are royals now, you have implied in previous posts that a person never changes from the class in which they were raised.

I have only recently started following the BRF since we now have a black American princess. I have a lot of connection to Europe and some time immersed in British culture. So I can answer questions about British class, but place less confidence in these insights.

No one can change their class. But hot women, who are intelligent and highly socially aware, can fake it til they make it. In fact, being a hot woman with a messy upbringing is its own form of sexy to the very rich man, who feels slighted and misunderstood in spite of the world being at his feet. My prediction is that between KM and MM, MM will be more popular and have more gravitas bc she is more authentic, which the rich love. KM is a good con artist.

DP. Does anybody remember that brief hiatus Will and Kate took before getting back together and getting engaged? For some weird reason I remember the British UC snarking about Kate being middle class. I particularly remember (because I have a Barbour jacket) someone snarking that “Kate knows how to wear her Barbour jacket just right, but she’ll never be one of us.” Ouch.

I wonder what they say about Meghan Markle.


Side note: one of William’s former flames, Isabella Calthorpe, married Richard Branson’s son. She is sisters with Cressida Bonas, Harry’s former girlfriend. They have titles, but Branson is loaded, so maybe it doesn’t matter that Branson wasn’t Aristocratic.

Sir Richard Branson

Not really the same as born Aristo. Sir Paul McCartney, for example.

[Anonymous]

Former horse show mom here. To the PP who posted this - "She just used her whole bonus to buy a Children's Hunter and/or bought a small pony that "can't do the step" even though THAT'S RIDICULOUS YOU GUYS IT'S A FREAKING TINY PONY AND A TINY CHILD JUST ADD AND LET'S ALL GO TO LUNCH."

Thank you. That was brilliant!! "JUST ADD AND LET'S ALL GO TO LUNCH" ha ha ha ha ha love it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Small kitchen, lots of guest rooms, old American cars with some dirt on them. Persian rugs obtained by an older relative whist traveling in Iraq or Yemen in the early 1900s. Vacations include things like helicopter trips to hunt moose or elk, or expeditions on camel with Bedouins. Art includes antiquities, framed handwritten poems signed by Maya Angelou, and mounted heads of animals killed while hunting.

Hunting is not classy. At all.

Foxhunting is! And killing the fox isn't the goal. But shining up my pony and tack, putting on my pink and raising a stirrup cup is the best. Truly nothing more glorious that riding out at dawn before the world is truly awake and the dew is still moistly holding the foxes scent. The sights and sounds of the hounds working the scent. The entire experience is amazing. And at the end, we make the horses comfortable and tuck in for a fabulous hunt brunch. Unparalleled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Small kitchen, lots of guest rooms, old American cars with some dirt on them. Persian rugs obtained by an older relative whist traveling in Iraq or Yemen in the early 1900s. Vacations include things like helicopter trips to hunt moose or elk, or expeditions on camel with Bedouins. Art includes antiquities, framed handwritten poems signed by Maya Angelou, and mounted heads of animals killed while hunting.

Hunting is not classy. At all.

Foxhunting is! And killing the fox isn't the goal. But shining up my pony and tack, putting on my pink and raising a stirrup cup is the best. Truly nothing more glorious that riding out at dawn before the world is truly awake and the dew is still moistly holding the foxes scent. The sights and sounds of the hounds working the scent. The entire experience is amazing. And at the end, we make the horses comfortable and tuck in for a fabulous hunt brunch. Unparalleled.

So you still kill the fox?

[Anonymous]

I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."

Were you raised UC? Does your spouse have any UC quirks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.

And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).

I could not disagree with the clutter bit more. Some of the most cultured and intelligent people have houses filled with random treasures, often heirlooms or from trips. It is only clutter to the uncurious mind.

ITA. This isn’t somebody’s figurine or thimble collection, either. It’s Sevres vases and Remington statues. The house is clean, though, because someone else cleans it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Small kitchen, lots of guest rooms, old American cars with some dirt on them. Persian rugs obtained by an older relative whist traveling in Iraq or Yemen in the early 1900s. Vacations include things like helicopter trips to hunt moose or elk, or expeditions on camel with Bedouins. Art includes antiquities, framed handwritten poems signed by Maya Angelou, and mounted heads of animals killed while hunting.

Hunting is not classy. At all.

Foxhunting is! And killing the fox isn't the goal. But shining up my pony and tack, putting on my pink and raising a stirrup cup is the best. Truly nothing more glorious that riding out at dawn before the world is truly awake and the dew is still moistly holding the foxes scent. The sights and sounds of the hounds working the scent. The entire experience is amazing. And at the end, we make the horses comfortable and tuck in for a fabulous hunt brunch. Unparalleled.

So you still kill the fox?

No. Many hunts drag a scent beforehand so the hounds still have to find it but there isn't actually a fox around. Other Hunts will go out and let the hounds look around for scent and then follow the scent. Sometimes the scent is recent and there is the actual "tally ho" of seeing the fox. More often, the fox passed through some time ago and the hounds are chasing an old scent. Some mornings, the hounds never find a scent. Additionally, healthy foxes are smarter and faster than hounds. And Foxhunting season is the time when there aren't kits so vixens and kits are safe. It can happen but the majority of people who participate (me included) have never experienced the hounds actually capturing a fox. Now, typically a member carries a firearm but the truth is that is just in case there is the need to put down a very injured horse. Trust me when I say, more people are injured each year foxhunting than foxes. Many clubs have intentionally changed the name of the sport to foxchasing or riding to hounds because Foxhunting makes it sound much worse than it is.