Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure which is worse, that this is a cover up, or if this is true

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.htm

neither is a good look

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure which is worse, that this is a cover up, or if this is true

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.htm

neither is a good look

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Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

New poster. I have tried repeatedly to engage in earnest discussions with Trump supporters on DCUM and nobody has ever done it beyond answering one question. I can never get anyone to participate in an actual back-and-forth.

It always goes like this: My comment -- Reply to my comment -- My reply -- Subject change.

It is incredibly frustrating. I am very close to several Independents and Republicans, though to be fair, none of them voted for Trump either time. We talk, we learn, we nuance our views. I have been totally unable to have that kind of exchange with any Trump supporter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

New poster. I have tried repeatedly to engage in earnest discussions with Trump supporters on DCUM and nobody has ever done it beyond answering one question. I can never get anyone to participate in an actual back-and-forth.

It always goes like this: My comment -- Reply to my comment -- My reply -- Subject change.

It is incredibly frustrating. I am very close to several Independents and Republicans, though to be fair, none of them voted for Trump either time. We talk, we learn, we nuance our views. I have been totally unable to have that kind of exchange with any Trump supporter.

Because certain views get deleted quickly so you may not see most of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Allen Dershowitz, for one.

Almost none. The Harvard Crimson’s annual survey of political views show a grotesque lack of viewpoint diversity.

Harvard has plenty of conservatives. But no scientist at any university likes Trump, and there are almost no other professors who do in any field at a serious research university, because he lies all the time, sees no need for data or logic, and uses bullying and intimidation rather than reasoned argument to get things done. while there may be a few humanities disciplines that have had problems with activism, the spirit of all academic inquiry and accomplishment is still showing data and sources, record keeping and transparency and peer review.

The rule of law and statistical analysis are not issues related to "viewpoint diversity." It is just that being "pro Trump" is incompatible with support for these pillars of any serious university level inquiry. Similarly, the need for logical, civil argument and reasoned inquiry are also seen as opposition to Trump, whatever the premise of the argument. These aspects of university discourse date back to Plato and Aristotle (who, btw, were quite conservative in their political leanings). Professors thus tend overwhelmingly to see these norms as central to their way of thinking, and thus find support of Trump incompatible with university level thinking.

And yes, of course, this whole letter has nothing to do with "viewpoint diversity," and is really just about control, power, and Trump's bottomless need for obsequious flattery he shares with all dictators and aspiring dictators.

Thank you for this. It’s really important to note that Trump is not a conservative. Trump isn’t even a Republican except by party affiliation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure which is worse, that this is a cover up, or if this is true

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.htm

neither is a good look

Page not found.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.html?unlocked_article_code=1.A08.KPeJ.d4ZGKndNCERQ&smid=url-share

It’s beginning to dawn on them that they screwed up their case with this massive overreach and now they’re desperately trying to backtrack

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

New poster. I have tried repeatedly to engage in earnest discussions with Trump supporters on DCUM and nobody has ever done it beyond answering one question. I can never get anyone to participate in an actual back-and-forth.

It always goes like this: My comment -- Reply to my comment -- My reply -- Subject change.

It is incredibly frustrating. I am very close to several Independents and Republicans, though to be fair, none of them voted for Trump either time. We talk, we learn, we nuance our views. I have been totally unable to have that kind of exchange with any Trump supporter.

I doubt there are many Trump supporters here. It's just that very often posters assume anyone with a differing opinion is MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

Typically, dishonesty emanates from the Liberal camps, so you might want to take a look in the mirror. Many of these liberal studies come up with conclusions that clearly contradict simple logic. Dump a bunch of poor ESL students in your neighborhood and the school is going to struggle. Liberal economists from the rich school district across town with plenty of resources, "But the economy overall improves. Diversity is good for your kids. You're just a racist"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

Typically, dishonesty emanates from the Liberal camps, so you might want to take a look in the mirror. Many of these liberal studies come up with conclusions that clearly contradict simple logic. Dump a bunch of poor ESL students in your neighborhood and the school is going to struggle. Liberal economists from the rich school district across town with plenty of resources, "But the economy overall improves. Diversity is good for your kids. You're just a racist"

Ok so do your own studies? Nobody is stopping Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

And I would add that if you are going to start demanding QUOTAS of conservative thinkers, that sure sound a lot like DEI to me.

RWNJs only want DEI that benefits them. Complete hypocrites as always.

I did not demand any quotas. I am Nnot MAGA. I am not a hypocrite. You sure jump to conclusions. My question was if Harvard had any conservative thinking professors.

Define Conservative Thinking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

Typically, dishonesty emanates from the Liberal camps, so you might want to take a look in the mirror. Many of these liberal studies come up with conclusions that clearly contradict simple logic. Dump a bunch of poor ESL students in your neighborhood and the school is going to struggle. Liberal economists from the rich school district across town with plenty of resources, "But the economy overall improves. Diversity is good for your kids. You're just a racist"

Ok so do your own studies? Nobody is stopping Trump.

Only the rich can fund studies.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

So for all those stating that trump can remove federal funding and tax exempt status from universities because a particular administration has different political views, you are okay when Shapiro (my wishful thinking) takes office and remove tax exempt for Liberty University, Oral Roberts University, BYU, Baylor, High Point, Pepperdine, and others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Why are you assuming there should be an *equal* number of people expressing Pro-Trump viewpoints. One is enough.

To me the dearth of pro-Trump viewpoints among the educated points to the fact that anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and basic knowledge of history, government, etc. would never be pro-Trump. He's an idiot whose ideas about government are antithetical to the American system of democracy and laws.

Why should we have to shoe-horn in viewpoints that promote violence, hate, disregard of the law, disregard of human rights etc. How does that benefit everyone? Go start your own hate university.

Where did I say an equal number? You clearly don't want any opposing viewpoints. FWIW I voted for Harris with misgivings.

I clearly don't? Wrong. I would be happy to sit down with HONEST people and have a good faith discussion about economic policy, college admissions, immigration, etc etc with an old-school conservative. An old-school Republican who believes in the rule of law, the independence of the Fed, the independence of Justice Dept, separation of powers, etc.

But right now it is the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION that is actively working to quash any opposition or opposing views. And it is lying and maligning people to do so. And projecting what they are doing onto others. And having the audacity to cloak it in a bad faith lie that they give two hoots about antisemitism.

So forgive me, smug supposed Harris voter, for not wanting that brand of "viewpoint" widely disseminated. What is happening right now is so outside the norm, so dangerous for our country, that NO, I will not abide it. I do not view constant lying as a valid "viewpoint" and neither should you.

FFS wake up.

Typically, dishonesty emanates from the Liberal camps, so you might want to take a look in the mirror. Many of these liberal studies come up with conclusions that clearly contradict simple logic. Dump a bunch of poor ESL students in your neighborhood and the school is going to struggle. Liberal economists from the rich school district across town with plenty of resources, "But the economy overall improves. Diversity is good for your kids. You're just a racist"

Ok so do your own studies? Nobody is stopping Trump.

Only the rich can fund studies.

Ummm we have a massive Governemnt agency that funds (or used to fund) research. Republicans are welcome to use it for their own research goals! They don’t actually appear to have any interest or ability to do so, and would rather destroy it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure which is worse, that this is a cover up, or if this is true

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.htm

neither is a good look

Page not found.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.html?unlocked_article_code=1.A08.KPeJ.d4ZGKndNCERQ&smid=url-share

WTF? Is the administration actually blaming Harvard for assuming the letter was legit?