Israeli war crimes

[Anonymous]

What does it say about Israel if they have to paint a broad spectrum of global discourse as Hamas? Does that mean they are winning the PR war?

If so, how could this happen after 10/7?

Is it because their violent actions in Gaza have made 10/7 obsolete and forgotten by comparison? Is it because they lied about behaved babies even alarming their own public?

[Anonymous]

Beheaded*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no "war crimes". Hamas started a war, and refuses to end it, no matter how many co-religionists perish in the aftermath. There are consequences. Nothing complicated.

Of course you don't. Genocide is good. Being a baby killer is okay. Nothing complicated.

Correct hamas started it Israel will finish it

Netanyahu wants Hamas there. He’s their sponsor for 30 years and counting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no "war crimes". Hamas started a war, and refuses to end it, no matter how many co-religionists perish in the aftermath. There are consequences. Nothing complicated.

Of course you don't. Genocide is good. Being a baby killer is okay. Nothing complicated.

Correct hamas started it Israel will finish it

Netanyahu wants Hamas there. He’s their sponsor for 30 years and counting.

More insane pablum, brought to you courtesy of the deranged Palestinian with no life.

I am not Palestinian.

[Anonymous]

The NyTimes also had a very good article detailing the long relationship and mutual understanding between Netanyahu and Hamas

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu is indirectly responsible for 10/7 because he funded Hamas.

I know Israelis get frustrated that Palestinians aren’t blamed or absolved of responsibility. They are blamed but the problem is they do not agency. Certainly not the financial agency or logistical might as a territory of Israel to conduct a terror raid like 10/7 on their own.

The actor that funded Hamas was not Iran. It was Israel

[Anonymous]

Palestinians do not even have their own currency. They use Israeli money, Israeli concrete, Israeli airports. Qatari officials flew to El Al and then were driven to Hamas by government officials. Netanyahu ignored voices within his own cabinet that thought funding Hamas with cash was a terrible idea.

[Anonymous]

Even with a fellow Arab state, Palestinians in Hamas weren’t negotiating their lot of cash. Israel was. They had no agency to do so as a non state actor.

Per the Nytimes article:

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

[Anonymous]

Mr. Netanyahu and his security aides slowly began reconsidering their strategy toward the Gaza Strip after several bloody and inconclusive military conflicts there against Hamas.

“Everyone was sick and tired of Gaza,” said Zohar Palti, a former director of intelligence for Mossad. “We all said, ‘Let’s forget about Gaza,’ because we knew it was a deadlock.”

After one of the conflicts, in 2014, Mr. Netanyahu charted a new course — emphasizing a strategy of trying to “contain” Hamas while Israel focused on Iran’s nuclear program and its proxy armies like Hezbollah.
This strategy was buttressed by repeated intelligence assessments that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of launching a significant attack inside Israel.



Their intelligence assessments were wrong, and their focus on Iran and Hezbollah distracted them from Hamas

[Anonymous]

Qatar, during this period, became a key financier for reconstruction and government operations in Gaza. One of the world’s wealthiest nations, Qatar has long championed the Palestinian cause and, of all its neighbors, has cultivated the closest ties to Hamas. These relationships have proved valuable in recent weeks as Qatari officials have helped negotiate for the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.

Qatar’s work in Gaza during this period was blessed by the Israeli government. And Mr. Netanyahu even lobbied Washington on Qatar’s behalf. In 2017, as Republicans pushed to impose financial sanctions on Qatar over its support for Hamas, he dispatched senior defense officials to Washington. The Israelis told American lawmakers that Qatar had played a positive role in the Gaza Strip, according to three people familiar with the trip.

Yossi Kuperwasser, a former head of research for Israel’s military intelligence, said that some officials saw the benefits of maintaining an “equilibrium” in the Gaza Strip. “The logic of Israel was that Hamas should be strong enough to rule Gaza,” he said, “but weak enough to be deterred by Israel.”

Among the team of Mossad agents that tracked terrorism financing, some came to believe that — even beyond the money from Qatar — Mr. Netanyahu was not very concerned about stopping money going to Hamas.

Uzi Shaya, for example, made several trips to China to try to shut down what Israeli intelligence had assessed was a money-laundering operation for Hamas run through the Bank of China.
After his retirement, he was called to testify against the Bank of China in an American lawsuit brought by the family of a victim of a Hamas terrorist attack.

At first, the head of Mossad encouraged him to testify, saying it could increase financial pressure on Hamas, Mr. Shaya recalled in a recent interview.

Then, the Chinese offered Mr. Netanyahu a state visit. Suddenly, Mr. Shaya recalled, he got different orders from his former bosses: He was not to testify.

Mr. Netanyahu visited Beijing in May 2013, part of an effort to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties between Israel and China. Mr. Shaya said he would have liked to have testified.

“Unfortunately,” he said, “there were other considerations.”

While the reasons for the decision were never confirmed, the change in tack left him suspicious. Especially because politicians at times talked openly about the value of a strong Hamas.

Shlomo Brom, a retired general and former deputy to Israel’s national security adviser, said an empowered Hamas helped Mr. Netanyahu avoid negotiating over a Palestinian state.

“One effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank,” he said in an interview. The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”

Mr. Netanyahu did not articulate this strategy publicly, but some on the Israeli political right had no such hesitation.

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right politician who is now Mr. Netanyahu’s finance minister, put it bluntly in 2015, the year he was elected to Parliament. “The Palestinian Authority is a burden,” he said. “Hamas is an asset.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no "war crimes". Hamas started a war, and refuses to end it, no matter how many co-religionists perish in the aftermath. There are consequences.

Nothing complicated.

Genocide is not a war crime. What thoughtful and enlightening analysis.

It’s not genocide. When you immediately jump to superlatives, you’re preventing any real discussion of what’s really happening.

The only people who don't think it's genocide are Zionists who lived in their own deranged reality trying to justify Israel's war crimes.

Seven renowned genocide and Holocaust researchers* from six countries - including Israel - all of whom described the Israeli campaign in Gaza as genocidal. Their peers in the field share this assessment. "Can I name someone whose work I respect who does not think it is genocide? No, there is no counterargument that takes into account all the evidence," Israeli researcher Raz Segal told NRC.

But let's not also discount the numerous organizations that already agree it is including Amnesty International, Human rights watch, UN Special Rapporteur, ICC/ICJ, UN Special Committee, Doctors without Borders, Center for Constitutional Rights, and Lemkin Institute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Qatar, during this period, became a key financier for reconstruction and government operations in Gaza. One of the world’s wealthiest nations, Qatar has long championed the Palestinian cause and, of all its neighbors, has cultivated the closest ties to Hamas. These relationships have proved valuable in recent weeks as Qatari officials have helped negotiate for the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.

Qatar’s work in Gaza during this period was blessed by the Israeli government. And Mr. Netanyahu even lobbied Washington on Qatar’s behalf. In 2017, as Republicans pushed to impose financial sanctions on Qatar over its support for Hamas, he dispatched senior defense officials to Washington. The Israelis told American lawmakers that Qatar had played a positive role in the Gaza Strip, according to three people familiar with the trip.

Yossi Kuperwasser, a former head of research for Israel’s military intelligence, said that some officials saw the benefits of maintaining an “equilibrium” in the Gaza Strip. “The logic of Israel was that Hamas should be strong enough to rule Gaza,” he said, “but weak enough to be deterred by Israel.”

Among the team of Mossad agents that tracked terrorism financing, some came to believe that — even beyond the money from Qatar — Mr. Netanyahu was not very concerned about stopping money going to Hamas.

Uzi Shaya, for example, made several trips to China to try to shut down what Israeli intelligence had assessed was a money-laundering operation for Hamas run through the Bank of China.
After his retirement, he was called to testify against the Bank of China in an American lawsuit brought by the family of a victim of a Hamas terrorist attack.

At first, the head of Mossad encouraged him to testify, saying it could increase financial pressure on Hamas, Mr. Shaya recalled in a recent interview.

Then, the Chinese offered Mr. Netanyahu a state visit. Suddenly, Mr. Shaya recalled, he got different orders from his former bosses: He was not to testify.

Mr. Netanyahu visited Beijing in May 2013, part of an effort to strengthen economic and diplomatic ties between Israel and China. Mr. Shaya said he would have liked to have testified.

“Unfortunately,” he said, “there were other considerations.”

While the reasons for the decision were never confirmed, the change in tack left him suspicious. Especially because politicians at times talked openly about the value of a strong Hamas.

Shlomo Brom, a retired general and former deputy to Israel’s national security adviser, said an empowered Hamas helped Mr. Netanyahu avoid negotiating over a Palestinian state.

“One effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank,” he said in an interview. The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”

Mr. Netanyahu did not articulate this strategy publicly, but some on the Israeli political right had no such hesitation.

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right politician who is now Mr. Netanyahu’s finance minister, put it bluntly in 2015, the year he was elected to Parliament. “The Palestinian Authority is a burden,” he said. “Hamas is an asset.”

Post some more, your postings are not nearly sufficiently interminable and numerous, and you have a long way to go before you're persuasive instead of merely pitiful. Fabricating "facts" and making up quotes doesn't make anything remotely true, BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no "war crimes". Hamas started a war, and refuses to end it, no matter how many co-religionists perish in the aftermath. There are consequences.

Nothing complicated.

You are evil if you don't see the mass slaughter and starvation of tens of thousands of Palestinian children as a war crime, Stephen Miller.
I pray you rot in Hell eternally for your sins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is not Netanyahu or the government alone that are evil and genocidal.

As former prime minster Ehud Olmert said, the true enemies of his country are “Israelis who think they can expel Palestinians and annex territories.” which is basically a very large majority of the population based on recent polls.

That's also why the majority of the Israeli public doesn't care for any reporting about Gaza based on another pool from Haartez

Both sides are evil.

[Anonymous]

When you say that you sound very uneducated.

Don’t both sides it.