FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:This seems relevant. Once the school board pushes through these unpopular and unnecessary boundary changes, vouchers are going to become much more likely in our state.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-election-big-impact-education-policy/story?id=114849832

The school board will win the battle and lose the war. I’m done with their nonsense and salivating over the prospect of vouchers.

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Vouchers are definitely the way to go.

That would be a win-win situation since those of us who are currently attending failing pyramids but can't afford private are effectively stuck. If boundary changes are what it takes to have publicly funded vouchers for not-wealthy kids so they can attend a school that isn't failing, then that's a positive change in my book.

Not sure it’s the win that you think it is for that demographic. Maybe for you the extra money ($10k?) will be enough to send your kids private, but I’m guessing most families “stuck” in the “failing pyramids” do not have enough disposable income to pull that off. If they did, query why they would’ve moved to the “failing pyramid” in the first place.

DP. Most people still live in homes that at $600k+. If you can afford that, a voucher is all you need and the balance is manageable. I also think that most technically can move but don't want to. It's the truly poor that a $10k voucher wouldn't help.

I love that on DCUM a $300k+ HHI is scraping by on a tight budget, yet in the next breath, living in a $600k+ house means you’re wealthy enough to afford private school.

Surely you know that a range of people post on DCUM and this area has a range of private school cost options. Not everyone is paying $40k+/year for privates

I've looked at private and if you don't want to go to a religious school (Catholic or otherwise), you're looking at $36 to $40k/yr. I don't think a $10k voucher really helps all that much. I agree with another poster that schools will simply raise their tuition by that amount because they can.

yep. just like college costs.

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Anonymous wrote:This seems relevant. Once the school board pushes through these unpopular and unnecessary boundary changes, vouchers are going to become much more likely in our state.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-election-big-impact-education-policy/story?id=114849832

The school board will win the battle and lose the war. I’m done with their nonsense and salivating over the prospect of vouchers.

+1
Vouchers are definitely the way to go.

That would be a win-win situation since those of us who are currently attending failing pyramids but can't afford private are effectively stuck. If boundary changes are what it takes to have publicly funded vouchers for not-wealthy kids so they can attend a school that isn't failing, then that's a positive change in my book.

Not sure it’s the win that you think it is for that demographic. Maybe for you the extra money ($10k?) will be enough to send your kids private, but I’m guessing most families “stuck” in the “failing pyramids” do not have enough disposable income to pull that off. If they did, query why they would’ve moved to the “failing pyramid” in the first place.

DP. Most people still live in homes that at $600k+. If you can afford that, a voucher is all you need and the balance is manageable. I also think that most technically can move but don't want to. It's the truly poor that a $10k voucher wouldn't help.

I love that on DCUM a $300k+ HHI is scraping by on a tight budget, yet in the next breath, living in a $600k+ house means you’re wealthy enough to afford private school.

Surely you know that a range of people post on DCUM and this area has a range of private school cost options. Not everyone is paying $40k+/year for privates

I've looked at private and if you don't want to go to a religious school (Catholic or otherwise), you're looking at $36 to $40k/yr. I don't think a $10k voucher really helps all that much. I agree with another poster that schools will simply raise their tuition by that amount because they can.

I know this wouldn't completely solve the disparity issue, but vouchers could simply only apply to schools where tuition is affordable, or be given to schools that only charge along a state approved sliding scale based on income (though income is sketchy because of all the people in professions that give housing allowances in this area). Yes some privates would decide they are too good for that and probably be the most sought after and prestigious. But maybe at least there'd be a mid-tier of privates that are better than what's on offer right now, offer more options for families to pick from, and are affordable.

And the argument about vouchers taking money from the publics is tired. Of course it would, but if the public school systems were good stewards of that money in the first place you wouldn't have such broad approval of vouchers across income and racial lines.

The Rs are one delegate and one Senator away from complete control in Richmond. Your waiver income limiters are a non starter when they get control. Not too far off. A swap of one seat is all it takes.

Can’t wait.

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Anonymous wrote:This seems relevant. Once the school board pushes through these unpopular and unnecessary boundary changes, vouchers are going to become much more likely in our state.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-election-big-impact-education-policy/story?id=114849832

The school board will win the battle and lose the war. I’m done with their nonsense and salivating over the prospect of vouchers.

+1
Vouchers are definitely the way to go.

That would be a win-win situation since those of us who are currently attending failing pyramids but can't afford private are effectively stuck. If boundary changes are what it takes to have publicly funded vouchers for not-wealthy kids so they can attend a school that isn't failing, then that's a positive change in my book.

Not sure it’s the win that you think it is for that demographic. Maybe for you the extra money ($10k?) will be enough to send your kids private, but I’m guessing most families “stuck” in the “failing pyramids” do not have enough disposable income to pull that off. If they did, query why they would’ve moved to the “failing pyramid” in the first place.

DP. Most people still live in homes that at $600k+. If you can afford that, a voucher is all you need and the balance is manageable. I also think that most technically can move but don't want to. It's the truly poor that a $10k voucher wouldn't help.

I love that on DCUM a $300k+ HHI is scraping by on a tight budget, yet in the next breath, living in a $600k+ house means you’re wealthy enough to afford private school.

Surely you know that a range of people post on DCUM and this area has a range of private school cost options. Not everyone is paying $40k+/year for privates

I've looked at private and if you don't want to go to a religious school (Catholic or otherwise), you're looking at $36 to $40k/yr. I don't think a $10k voucher really helps all that much. I agree with another poster that schools will simply raise their tuition by that amount because they can.

I know this wouldn't completely solve the disparity issue, but vouchers could simply only apply to schools where tuition is affordable, or be given to schools that only charge along a state approved sliding scale based on income (though income is sketchy because of all the people in professions that give housing allowances in this area). Yes some privates would decide they are too good for that and probably be the most sought after and prestigious. But maybe at least there'd be a mid-tier of privates that are better than what's on offer right now, offer more options for families to pick from, and are affordable.

And the argument about vouchers taking money from the publics is tired. Of course it would, but if the public school systems were good stewards of that money in the first place you wouldn't have such broad approval of vouchers across income and racial lines.

Can you name 1 even half way decent school in Fairfax county with a 10k tuition, just 1?

I spent less than that yearly for multiple children in homeschool. Curriculum, classes, field trips, hell even community sports.

That was awhile back and now they are successful adults.
10k per child would’ve paid for some more amazing field trips and I’d add a couple tutors to lessen my workload.

In other words, no

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Anonymous wrote:This seems relevant. Once the school board pushes through these unpopular and unnecessary boundary changes, vouchers are going to become much more likely in our state.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-election-big-impact-education-policy/story?id=114849832

The school board will win the battle and lose the war. I’m done with their nonsense and salivating over the prospect of vouchers.

+1
Vouchers are definitely the way to go.

That would be a win-win situation since those of us who are currently attending failing pyramids but can't afford private are effectively stuck. If boundary changes are what it takes to have publicly funded vouchers for not-wealthy kids so they can attend a school that isn't failing, then that's a positive change in my book.

Not sure it’s the win that you think it is for that demographic. Maybe for you the extra money ($10k?) will be enough to send your kids private, but I’m guessing most families “stuck” in the “failing pyramids” do not have enough disposable income to pull that off. If they did, query why they would’ve moved to the “failing pyramid” in the first place.

DP. Most people still live in homes that at $600k+. If you can afford that, a voucher is all you need and the balance is manageable. I also think that most technically can move but don't want to. It's the truly poor that a $10k voucher wouldn't help.

I love that on DCUM a $300k+ HHI is scraping by on a tight budget, yet in the next breath, living in a $600k+ house means you’re wealthy enough to afford private school.

Surely you know that a range of people post on DCUM and this area has a range of private school cost options. Not everyone is paying $40k+/year for privates

I've looked at private and if you don't want to go to a religious school (Catholic or otherwise), you're looking at $36 to $40k/yr. I don't think a $10k voucher really helps all that much. I agree with another poster that schools will simply raise their tuition by that amount because they can.

I know this wouldn't completely solve the disparity issue, but vouchers could simply only apply to schools where tuition is affordable, or be given to schools that only charge along a state approved sliding scale based on income (though income is sketchy because of all the people in professions that give housing allowances in this area). Yes some privates would decide they are too good for that and probably be the most sought after and prestigious. But maybe at least there'd be a mid-tier of privates that are better than what's on offer right now, offer more options for families to pick from, and are affordable.

And the argument about vouchers taking money from the publics is tired. Of course it would, but if the public school systems were good stewards of that money in the first place you wouldn't have such broad approval of vouchers across income and racial lines.

Can you name 1 even half way decent school in Fairfax county with a 10k tuition, just 1?

I spent less than that yearly for multiple children in homeschool. Curriculum, classes, field trips, hell even community sports.

That was awhile back and now they are successful adults.
10k per child would’ve paid for some more amazing field trips and I’d add a couple tutors to lessen my workload.

In other words, no

Not yet.

Remember vouchers can be applied at government schools.

If the local public is good there’s no reason to fear that choice will affect it at all.

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“Government schools” - sigh

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems relevant. Once the school board pushes through these unpopular and unnecessary boundary changes, vouchers are going to become much more likely in our state.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-election-big-impact-education-policy/story?id=114849832

The school board will win the battle and lose the war. I’m done with their nonsense and salivating over the prospect of vouchers.

+1
Vouchers are definitely the way to go.

That would be a win-win situation since those of us who are currently attending failing pyramids but can't afford private are effectively stuck. If boundary changes are what it takes to have publicly funded vouchers for not-wealthy kids so they can attend a school that isn't failing, then that's a positive change in my book.

Not sure it’s the win that you think it is for that demographic. Maybe for you the extra money ($10k?) will be enough to send your kids private, but I’m guessing most families “stuck” in the “failing pyramids” do not have enough disposable income to pull that off. If they did, query why they would’ve moved to the “failing pyramid” in the first place.

DP. Most people still live in homes that at $600k+. If you can afford that, a voucher is all you need and the balance is manageable. I also think that most technically can move but don't want to. It's the truly poor that a $10k voucher wouldn't help.

I love that on DCUM a $300k+ HHI is scraping by on a tight budget, yet in the next breath, living in a $600k+ house means you’re wealthy enough to afford private school.

Surely you know that a range of people post on DCUM and this area has a range of private school cost options. Not everyone is paying $40k+/year for privates

I've looked at private and if you don't want to go to a religious school (Catholic or otherwise), you're looking at $36 to $40k/yr. I don't think a $10k voucher really helps all that much. I agree with another poster that schools will simply raise their tuition by that amount because they can.

I know this wouldn't completely solve the disparity issue, but vouchers could simply only apply to schools where tuition is affordable, or be given to schools that only charge along a state approved sliding scale based on income (though income is sketchy because of all the people in professions that give housing allowances in this area). Yes some privates would decide they are too good for that and probably be the most sought after and prestigious. But maybe at least there'd be a mid-tier of privates that are better than what's on offer right now, offer more options for families to pick from, and are affordable.

And the argument about vouchers taking money from the publics is tired. Of course it would, but if the public school systems were good stewards of that money in the first place you wouldn't have such broad approval of vouchers across income and racial lines.

Can you name 1 even half way decent school in Fairfax county with a 10k tuition, just 1?

I spent less than that yearly for multiple children in homeschool. Curriculum, classes, field trips, hell even community sports.

That was awhile back and now they are successful adults.
10k per child would’ve paid for some more amazing field trips and I’d add a couple tutors to lessen my workload.

In other words, no

Not yet.

Remember vouchers can be applied at government schools.

If the local public is good there’s no reason to fear that choice will affect it at all.

What ‘government’ school allows outside pupils for only 10k a year? LCPS is 15k to out of county residents, No private does (unless you actually have an example). Where do you expect these kids to go with their 10k waivers?

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If families move their kids to privates, wouldn’t they be leaving their communities, and forcing their kids to break into new friend groups. The last I read, this was a major reason not to re-zone the students.

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The really good privates don't need your voucher or your kid - they are doing just fine and have waitlists. The only private school that is going to take your money is one that is way worse than FCPS. But I don't expect anyone to understand any of this because the people who want vouchers also want Trump to be POTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:The really good privates don't need your voucher or your kid - they are doing just fine and have waitlists. The only private school that is going to take your money is one that is way worse than FCPS. But I don't expect anyone to understand any of this because the people who want vouchers also want Trump to be POTUS.

I want vouchers because of what the school board is doing. I early voted for Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:If families move their kids to privates, wouldn’t they be leaving their communities, and forcing their kids to break into new friend groups. The last I read, this was a major reason not to re-zone the students.

Never learned logic, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:The really good privates don't need your voucher or your kid - they are doing just fine and have waitlists. The only private school that is going to take your money is one that is way worse than FCPS. But I don't expect anyone to understand any of this because the people who want vouchers also want Trump to be POTUS.

I want vouchers because of what the school board is doing. I early voted for Harris.

So you voted for the person at the Federal level who will continue to allow unfettered immigration - the prime factor in making some of our schools less desirable by greatly increasing the poor, ESL population. Way to go.

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Anonymous wrote:The really good privates don't need your voucher or your kid - they are doing just fine and have waitlists. The only private school that is going to take your money is one that is way worse than FCPS. But I don't expect anyone to understand any of this because the people who want vouchers also want Trump to be POTUS.

I want vouchers because of what the school board is doing. I early voted for Harris.

So you voted for the person at the Federal level who will continue to allow unfettered immigration - the prime factor in making some of our schools less desirable by greatly increasing the poor, ESL population. Way to go.

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There's a major disconnect in the "logic" of the PP.

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Anonymous wrote:“Government schools” - sigh

Why the “sigh”?

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Anonymous wrote:This seems relevant. Once the school board pushes through these unpopular and unnecessary boundary changes, vouchers are going to become much more likely in our state.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-election-big-impact-education-policy/story?id=114849832

The school board will win the battle and lose the war. I’m done with their nonsense and salivating over the prospect of vouchers.

+1
Vouchers are definitely the way to go.

That would be a win-win situation since those of us who are currently attending failing pyramids but can't afford private are effectively stuck. If boundary changes are what it takes to have publicly funded vouchers for not-wealthy kids so they can attend a school that isn't failing, then that's a positive change in my book.

Not sure it’s the win that you think it is for that demographic. Maybe for you the extra money ($10k?) will be enough to send your kids private, but I’m guessing most families “stuck” in the “failing pyramids” do not have enough disposable income to pull that off. If they did, query why they would’ve moved to the “failing pyramid” in the first place.

DP. Most people still live in homes that at $600k+. If you can afford that, a voucher is all you need and the balance is manageable. I also think that most technically can move but don't want to. It's the truly poor that a $10k voucher wouldn't help.

I love that on DCUM a $300k+ HHI is scraping by on a tight budget, yet in the next breath, living in a $600k+ house means you’re wealthy enough to afford private school.

Surely you know that a range of people post on DCUM and this area has a range of private school cost options. Not everyone is paying $40k+/year for privates

I've looked at private and if you don't want to go to a religious school (Catholic or otherwise), you're looking at $36 to $40k/yr. I don't think a $10k voucher really helps all that much. I agree with another poster that schools will simply raise their tuition by that amount because they can.

I know this wouldn't completely solve the disparity issue, but vouchers could simply only apply to schools where tuition is affordable, or be given to schools that only charge along a state approved sliding scale based on income (though income is sketchy because of all the people in professions that give housing allowances in this area). Yes some privates would decide they are too good for that and probably be the most sought after and prestigious. But maybe at least there'd be a mid-tier of privates that are better than what's on offer right now, offer more options for families to pick from, and are affordable.

And the argument about vouchers taking money from the publics is tired. Of course it would, but if the public school systems were good stewards of that money in the first place you wouldn't have such broad approval of vouchers across income and racial lines.

Can you name 1 even half way decent school in Fairfax county with a 10k tuition, just 1?

I spent less than that yearly for multiple children in homeschool. Curriculum, classes, field trips, hell even community sports.

That was awhile back and now they are successful adults.
10k per child would’ve paid for some more amazing field trips and I’d add a couple tutors to lessen my workload.

In other words, no

Not yet.

Remember vouchers can be applied at government schools.

If the local public is good there’s no reason to fear that choice will affect it at all.

What ‘government’ school allows outside pupils for only 10k a year? LCPS is 15k to out of county residents, No private does (unless you actually have an example). Where do you expect these kids to go with their 10k waivers?

Presumably if you are zoned for a given school it would take your voucher without an additional fee.
I can’t imagine the government would make you pay more than the value of the voucher for the school they want your child to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:“Government schools” - sigh

Why the “sigh”?

DP but I’m going to go out on a limb and say you don’t understand that the 10K a kid will get will also be a government handout and that you are against government handouts.