Another day, another school shooting

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Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Contra the opinions of JD Bowman-Hamel-Vance, maybe more women should consider not having children.

If they are going to ban abortion we need to take the shame out of giving children up for adoption. Some of these mothers don’t want these kids and we need to accept that. A lot of women keep children out of family and social pressures. Let them hand there children over to another family and go on about your life.

I'm fine with reducing shame associated with adoptions, but adoptions are absolutely not a satisfactory answer here. A blastocyst is not a child, and forcing women to undergo the risks of pregnancy because some segments of our population believe zygotes have souls is just abhorrent.

+1 from an adoptee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

[Anonymous]

I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

[Anonymous]

Any time you see this kind of thing, it's a combo of a lot of factors contributing to systematic failure of a kid falling through the cracks on some level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JD Vance says school shootings are just a fact of life.

And, to put a pin in it, he adds that "it's reality."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

[Anonymous]

Also, sad and ironic that Vance has no other answer or compassion for these hillbilly elegy types. iTS juSt rEALity.

[Anonymous]

^^Also, that he's calling a 14yo a "psycho." Please everyone vote accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

I'm sure entire books could be written about what a rotten homelife the shooter kid had, and how it's not surprising he turned out as he did. But if Georgians don't realize that not having a red flag law, not having safe storage requirements, and fighting against background checks before weapon purchases contributed to this issue--they're missing the point here. A stupid dad (who bought a gun with no problems whatsoever) gave his mentally troubled kid a gun for Christmas--and it was stupid easy for the stupid dad to do, because it's easier to buy a gun than a car in most states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

CPS is understaffed and underfunded and foster care is not ideal, there aren’t enough foster families. It takes a lot for a child to be taken out of a home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Also, that he's calling a 14yo a "psycho." Please everyone vote accordingly.

To me this is the worst part of what he said. As a teacher who has worked with a lot of troubled teens over the years, my heart breaks for this 14 year old child and all the families involved in this horrific tragedy.

He’s a clueless, insensitive MF. And he’ll be one overcooked steak-heart attack away from the Oval Office if these two heartless idiots win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

CPS is understaffed and underfunded and foster care is not ideal, there aren’t enough foster families. It takes a lot for a child to be taken out of a home.

+1 I hate that every time one of these shootings occur that people rush to blame the people and institutions around the kid that aren't easy to change. Republicans don't want gun control, but they don't want to pay for more social services or child services or mental health services. So we are where we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

CPS is understaffed and underfunded and foster care is not ideal, there aren’t enough foster families. It takes a lot for a child to be taken out of a home.

Well it sounds like there was more than enough in this case, for years. look how it ended up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

100%
This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?