COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

LOL

AFT put out a detailed written plan for safely reopening schools in April of 2020. Why didn't you get behind it at the time if you wanted schools open? (Answer with care; your animosity for teachers' unions no matter what they say or do may be about to be on irrevocable display!)

The plan is here BTW: https://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/media/2020/covid19_reopen-america-schools.pdf

Yet strangely, not only do I not remember any local district or the local or state union representatives pushing for the ideas in this guidance, in the summer of 2020, such as this:

Revisiting the community school model is a way to do all of the above. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, community schools created a community hub where students and families could get access to health services, where marginalized communities received support, and where necessary services were available in one place. This model is needed even more now, given the effects of the pandemic—from the inequalities that have been exacerbated, to the need for care before and after school so that essential workers can 8 continue to work and other parents can return to work. If experts deem it safe, summer may be a way to start planning a community school model that incorporates the collaborative partnerships and community resources families have used, including meals and medical care, while schools were closed.3 Summer is a way to try things other countries are doing, including Denmark, Germany, Israel and Norway, which are bringing in small groups of students who need instruction first, including students with special needs whose needs were hardest to meet during closure. A voluntary multiweek summer session could provide enrichment and “catch-up” time. It also would enable trying, on a smaller scale, protocols that may work when schools open more broadly, including staggered scheduling, increased hand-washing, and nightly school cleaning. And summer can be an opportunity to expand grab-and-go nutrition programs, as food insecurity remains a pressing issue for far too many students. Now is the time for unions and employers to work on all issues for returning to school. This includes programming, space, operations, logistics, calendar, and aligning all the public health interventions with all the schooling interventions: ensuring students’ healthy social, emotional and academic development; nurturing productive relationships; building resilience; supporting diversity and inclusion; and rebuilding the school community.

Yes, there were meals, but were groups of students brought in during this time? Was any enrichment offered? Did I miss that?

Yes, you did miss it. My kid went to two years of summer school here in MCPS because they used pandemic funds to implement it. It was great, actually—I’m sorry you didn’t know that it was offered.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

Nah, I definitely won’t be advocating for anything in support of return to virtual. In any event, the crisis was over long before those virtual Wednesdays went away.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

LOL

AFT put out a detailed written plan for safely reopening schools in April of 2020. Why didn't you get behind it at the time if you wanted schools open? (Answer with care; your animosity for teachers' unions no matter what they say or do may be about to be on irrevocable display!)

The plan is here BTW: https://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/media/2020/covid19_reopen-america-schools.pdf

Yet strangely, not only do I not remember any local district or the local or state union representatives pushing for the ideas in this guidance, in the summer of 2020, such as this:

Revisiting the community school model is a way to do all of the above. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, community schools created a community hub where students and families could get access to health services, where marginalized communities received support, and where necessary services were available in one place. This model is needed even more now, given the effects of the pandemic—from the inequalities that have been exacerbated, to the need for care before and after school so that essential workers can 8 continue to work and other parents can return to work. If experts deem it safe, summer may be a way to start planning a community school model that incorporates the collaborative partnerships and community resources families have used, including meals and medical care, while schools were closed.3 Summer is a way to try things other countries are doing, including Denmark, Germany, Israel and Norway, which are bringing in small groups of students who need instruction first, including students with special needs whose needs were hardest to meet during closure. A voluntary multiweek summer session could provide enrichment and “catch-up” time. It also would enable trying, on a smaller scale, protocols that may work when schools open more broadly, including staggered scheduling, increased hand-washing, and nightly school cleaning. And summer can be an opportunity to expand grab-and-go nutrition programs, as food insecurity remains a pressing issue for far too many students. Now is the time for unions and employers to work on all issues for returning to school. This includes programming, space, operations, logistics, calendar, and aligning all the public health interventions with all the schooling interventions: ensuring students’ healthy social, emotional and academic development; nurturing productive relationships; building resilience; supporting diversity and inclusion; and rebuilding the school community.

Yes, there were meals, but were groups of students brought in during this time? Was any enrichment offered? Did I miss that?

Yes, you did miss it. My kid went to two years of summer school here in MCPS because they used pandemic funds to implement it. It was great, actually—I’m sorry you didn’t know that it was offered.

Really? I don’t live in MCPS but I wasn’t aware there were any in-person offerings in the summer of 2020. There weren’t any offerings in the fall either

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

A job. Do you have one?

Ok, so, why are you posting here when you should be working. Clearly you have flexibility. How do you make it work summers? Everyone else made it work, why could you not?

I'm not the PP but I, for one, send my child to camp during the summer...oh wait, that's in place of school, which wasn't open and there were no camps available in place of during the school year because wait for it...kids GO to school during the school year. See how it works? Our entire society is built around the foundation of parents go to work outside of the home while caregivers -be that daycare, teachers, nannies, you name it- watch your children during the day. Not because we don't want to be with them not because we don't love them not because we want someone else raising our children but society requires this thing called money to survive and well, you have to earn it somehow.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

Or y’all are going to have to find a way to cope with sounding more and more like people who deny that the moon landing occurred.

Maybe both!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

+1 many of us are not going to forget the many terrible decisions that were made. I'm not talking about decisions that were only bad in retrospect. I am talking about decisions that were obviously bad and known to be bad at the time (like toddler masking), but Democrats still pushed out of their compulsion to placate the craziest voices on Twitter.

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+1 Not forgetting about this anytime soon.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

Or y’all are going to have to find a way to cope with sounding more and more like people who deny that the moon landing occurred.

Maybe both!

Bless your heart. You probably still think kids wearing masks under their noses saved lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

+1 many of us are not going to forget the many terrible decisions that were made. I'm not talking about decisions that were only bad in retrospect. I am talking about decisions that were obviously bad and known to be bad at the time (like toddler masking), but Democrats still pushed out of their compulsion to placate the craziest voices on Twitter.

The fact that you say this is the fault of Democrats with no qualifiers means we can't take your BS seriously. All Democrats everywhere did not cause the pandemic or cause all of the negative outcomes of the pandemic. You sound like an idiot RWNJ.

And I would never trust someone who talks like you to actually learn any *valuable* or *useful* lessons. You'll support nonsense that will make things worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

If I thought for one second you were a reasonable person who would be interested in real evaluation of what happened and real solutions instead of just complaining and (probably) politically motivated BS, I'd be happy to discuss. But too many of you are too dim and too irrational. The things you'll propose will just make things worse.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

cry me a freakin’ river, complaining about how hard virtual was for teachers! My kid had instruction from 9-1 with a 1 hr lunch, and often times they just ended at 11. 4 days/week.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

If I thought for one second you were a reasonable person who would be interested in real evaluation of what happened and real solutions instead of just complaining and (probably) politically motivated BS, I'd be happy to discuss. But too many of you are too dim and too irrational. The things you'll propose will just make things worse.

I have no inclination to discuss solutions with the very people who created the problem and still don't see the error of their ways or the role they played. You're not a serious person, this is known.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

+1 many of us are not going to forget the many terrible decisions that were made. I'm not talking about decisions that were only bad in retrospect. I am talking about decisions that were obviously bad and known to be bad at the time (like toddler masking), but Democrats still pushed out of their compulsion to placate the craziest voices on Twitter.

The fact that you say this is the fault of Democrats with no qualifiers means we can't take your BS seriously. All Democrats everywhere did not cause the pandemic or cause all of the negative outcomes of the pandemic. You sound like an idiot RWNJ.

And I would never trust someone who talks like you to actually learn any *valuable* or *useful* lessons. You'll support nonsense that will make things worse.

OMG you are so crazy. Wow.

I hate to break it to you but if you spent any time in groups of liberal parents of young children you'd quickly encounter quite a few who feel that the fact their kids had to mask at critical ages had a negative effect on them. Maybe it made speech therapy less effective (seeing the mouth forming words helps speech click for some children). Maybe it affected their confidence because they struggled to make themselves understood. Maybe they has trouble understanding the emotions of those around them. And these same parents also observed that their children had to take their masks off for half the day for snacks, lunch, and nap. And when they did have them on, they were usually not covering their noses. They also know that it was Democratic localities that imposed these requirements while western European countries took a different approach.

Am I going to vote for Trump? Of course not. Do I fundamentally trust Democrats or public health leaders? Also no.