Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

The thread should be locked and deleted at this point.

Agree. Reporting now.

I just reported it too. This is 100% out of control and pretty shocking how many details they've made up in a few short hours it been posted. Discusting really.

Yes people making up that she "went about her day" as if they actually know what happened or what that means. People making up that she is a monster who abused a corpse. People making up the age of the fetus (as opposed to the stated pregnancy age) when they are not doctors or the woman herself. People making up that the fetus showed signs of injury when the doctor who examined the remains testified that it did not.

People making up that she was traumatized and therefore couldn’t bring herself to get the fetus out of the toilet. People making up that the fetus was partially disintegrated. People making up that a Catholic hospital did absolutely nothing for her and turned her away.
I mean the list goes on and on.

And the prosecution made up that it was 22 weeks, and that she went on her day.

The discussion on this thread are about the general experience of women who have had miscarriages at that stage.

Did they go about their day?

I can’t comment on that because there are no facts. I need an investigation to be done and I need all the facts before I can discuss anything.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

I am not pro life and I think what this woman did was unacceptable.

But do you think it's worthy of prosecuting as a felony? Do you really, truly think that is a good use of resources to go after a woman who apparently has little means and had twice gone to the hospital knowing there was something wrong with her pregnancy? Do you even know anything about her circumstances?

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So this is the initial quotation from the first linked article:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

"Went on [with] her day" doesn't actually mean anything. It *sounds* like it does -- it has some sort of vibe of not caring, of being dismissive. But it doesn't actually mean anything. If she went to work as she usually did but caried in the bathroom every hour, with rags stuck in her underwear to catch the bleeding -- yeah, that's still going on with her day. So is anything else you can imagine. It's an unassailable "fact," much like "it is what it is" or "so it goes."

But people are using it like a cudgel in this thread at the same time they are castigating others for not being straightforward. They are relying quite heavily on the connotation while also relying on the reality that the denotation can't be pinned down at all.

It's what you do when you don't have a real argument to make. Smoke and mirrors.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

The thread should be locked and deleted at this point.

Agree. Reporting now.

I just reported it too. This is 100% out of control and pretty shocking how many details they've made up in a few short hours it been posted. Discusting really.

Yes people making up that she "went about her day" as if they actually know what happened or what that means. People making up that she is a monster who abused a corpse. People making up the age of the fetus (as opposed to the stated pregnancy age) when they are not doctors or the woman herself. People making up that the fetus showed signs of injury when the doctor who examined the remains testified that it did not.

People making up that she was traumatized and therefore couldn’t bring herself to get the fetus out of the toilet. People making up that the fetus was partially disintegrated. People making up that a Catholic hospital did absolutely nothing for her and turned her away.
I mean the list goes on and on.

Some one made up it was a Catholic hospital, that she was turned away, that they kicked her out without treatment, also said it was because she was black and poor and that's why she was treated poorly. All of this is total bs.

They don't acknowledge that she went about her day and tried to flush a dead body. These are facts. Someone in her own household called 911 on her these are facts they don't awknowlege.

You don't know that these are not BS because you are not there reading all the facts in the case. So stop acting as judge by saying it is BS.

Especially because it is a FACT that black women, and poor women, have worse outcomes when it comes to pregnancy and medical attention to difficult pregnancies. It is a fact that has been discussed ad nauseum if you were paying attention.

You also don't know as fact just how many weeks the fetus was. No, just because the prosecutor says 22 weeks does not mean that the fetus had lived to 22 weeks before the woman's body expelled it. Anyone who has gone through a miscarriage would know that. Many of us here have indicated that we had fetuses who died in utero and they carried them for 1, 2, even 3 weeks before the miscarriage took place.

Meanwhile you keep repeating that completely BS phrase "went about her day" that you stole from the biased prosecutors who use it to demonize someone who had a traumatic pregnancy experience. You can't even tell us what that means.

And more made up sh¡t. You’re really doubling down aren’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

Actually, police reports are fabricated because all the police report is interviews with people that tell you what they think happened and quite often lies are in there.

Also, prosecutors lie in court it’s legal they’re allowed to do it.

Keep trying to justify your fantasy scenario of what happened. Maybe your fantasy will come true.

Hey Pollyanna, I know it’s really hard to hear to understand how the criminal justice system works, but guess what the “good guys” lie

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

I am not pro life and I think what this woman did was unacceptable.

Was it felony level “unacceptable”?

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

I am not pro life and I think what this woman did was unacceptable.

Well girlfriend, you better get at it and start prosecuting all those miscarriages that have been flushed down the toilet.

Also, you might want to start a campaign to have them given baptisms, and last rights and funerals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is the initial quotation from the first linked article:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

"Went on [with] her day" doesn't actually mean anything. It *sounds* like it does -- it has some sort of vibe of not caring, of being dismissive. But it doesn't actually mean anything. If she went to work as she usually did but caried in the bathroom every hour, with rags stuck in her underwear to catch the bleeding -- yeah, that's still going on with her day. So is anything else you can imagine. It's an unassailable "fact," much like "it is what it is" or "so it goes."

But people are using it like a cudgel in this thread at the same time they are castigating others for not being straightforward. They are relying quite heavily on the connotation while also relying on the reality that the denotation can't be pinned down at all.

It's what you do when you don't have a real argument to make. Smoke and mirrors.

Oh the irony!

I am the “let’s wait for the facts” poster that hasn’t posted anything at all about “going on with her day” because we don’t have the facts about that either.

[Anonymous]

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You don't know that these are not BS because you are not there reading all the facts in the case. So stop acting as judge by saying it is BS.

Especially because it is a FACT that black women, and poor women, have worse outcomes when it comes to pregnancy and medical attention to difficult pregnancies. It is a fact that has been discussed ad nauseum if you were paying attention.

You also don't know as fact just how many weeks the fetus was. No, just because the prosecutor says 22 weeks does not mean that the fetus had lived to 22 weeks before the woman's body expelled it. Anyone who has gone through a miscarriage would know that. Many of us here have indicated that we had fetuses who died in utero and they carried them for 1, 2, even 3 weeks before the miscarriage took place.

Meanwhile you keep repeating that completely BS phrase "went about her day" that you stole from the biased prosecutors who use it to demonize someone who had a traumatic pregnancy experience. You can't even tell us what that means.

Anonymous wrote:And more made up sh¡t. You’re really doubling down aren’t you?

DP. So what exactly does "went about her day" MEAN?

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

I am not pro life and I think what this woman did was unacceptable.

Well girlfriend, you better get at it and start prosecuting all those miscarriages that have been flushed down the toilet.

Also, you might want to start a campaign to have them given baptisms, and last rights and funerals

No thanks. I’m good.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

The thread should be locked and deleted at this point.

Agree. Reporting now.

I just reported it too. This is 100% out of control and pretty shocking how many details they've made up in a few short hours it been posted. Discusting really.

Yes people making up that she "went about her day" as if they actually know what happened or what that means. People making up that she is a monster who abused a corpse. People making up the age of the fetus (as opposed to the stated pregnancy age) when they are not doctors or the woman herself. People making up that the fetus showed signs of injury when the doctor who examined the remains testified that it did not.

People making up that she was traumatized and therefore couldn’t bring herself to get the fetus out of the toilet. People making up that the fetus was partially disintegrated. People making up that a Catholic hospital did absolutely nothing for her and turned her away.
I mean the list goes on and on.

And the prosecution made up that it was 22 weeks, and that she went on her day.

The discussion on this thread are about the general experience of women who have had miscarriages at that stage.

Did they go about their day?

I can’t comment on that because there are no facts. I need an investigation to be done and I need all the facts before I can discuss anything.

I meant the women sharing their experiences. Was it just a normal day for them after the baby was out?

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Anonymous wrote:So this is the initial quotation from the first linked article:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

"Went on [with] her day" doesn't actually mean anything. It *sounds* like it does -- it has some sort of vibe of not caring, of being dismissive. But it doesn't actually mean anything. If she went to work as she usually did but caried in the bathroom every hour, with rags stuck in her underwear to catch the bleeding -- yeah, that's still going on with her day. So is anything else you can imagine. It's an unassailable "fact," much like "it is what it is" or "so it goes."

But people are using it like a cudgel in this thread at the same time they are castigating others for not being straightforward. They are relying quite heavily on the connotation while also relying on the reality that the denotation can't be pinned down at all.

It's what you do when you don't have a real argument to make. Smoke and mirrors.

Oh the irony!

I am the “let’s wait for the facts” poster that hasn’t posted anything at all about “going on with her day” because we don’t have the facts about that either.

Or about the drugs comment.

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You don't know that these are not BS because you are not there reading all the facts in the case. So stop acting as judge by saying it is BS.

Especially because it is a FACT that black women, and poor women, have worse outcomes when it comes to pregnancy and medical attention to difficult pregnancies. It is a fact that has been discussed ad nauseum if you were paying attention.

You also don't know as fact just how many weeks the fetus was. No, just because the prosecutor says 22 weeks does not mean that the fetus had lived to 22 weeks before the woman's body expelled it. Anyone who has gone through a miscarriage would know that. Many of us here have indicated that we had fetuses who died in utero and they carried them for 1, 2, even 3 weeks before the miscarriage took place.

Meanwhile you keep repeating that completely BS phrase "went about her day" that you stole from the biased prosecutors who use it to demonize someone who had a traumatic pregnancy experience. You can't even tell us what that means.

Anonymous wrote:And more made up sh¡t. You’re really doubling down aren’t you?

DP. So what exactly does "went about her day" MEAN?

We’ll know that when we, you know, have all the facts. Which we, you know, DON’T have right now.

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Anonymous wrote:So this is the initial quotation from the first linked article:

“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

"Went on [with] her day" doesn't actually mean anything. It *sounds* like it does -- it has some sort of vibe of not caring, of being dismissive. But it doesn't actually mean anything. If she went to work as she usually did but caried in the bathroom every hour, with rags stuck in her underwear to catch the bleeding -- yeah, that's still going on with her day. So is anything else you can imagine. It's an unassailable "fact," much like "it is what it is" or "so it goes."

But people are using it like a cudgel in this thread at the same time they are castigating others for not being straightforward. They are relying quite heavily on the connotation while also relying on the reality that the denotation can't be pinned down at all.

It's what you do when you don't have a real argument to make. Smoke and mirrors.

Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony!

I am the “let’s wait for the facts” poster that hasn’t posted anything at all about “going on with her day” because we don’t have the facts about that either.

So ... that post must not be about you. Is everything about you, even if you weren't the person referenced? Main character syndrome indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

The thread should be locked and deleted at this point.

Agree. Reporting now.

I just reported it too. This is 100% out of control and pretty shocking how many details they've made up in a few short hours it been posted. Discusting really.

Yes people making up that she "went about her day" as if they actually know what happened or what that means. People making up that she is a monster who abused a corpse. People making up the age of the fetus (as opposed to the stated pregnancy age) when they are not doctors or the woman herself. People making up that the fetus showed signs of injury when the doctor who examined the remains testified that it did not.

People making up that she was traumatized and therefore couldn’t bring herself to get the fetus out of the toilet. People making up that the fetus was partially disintegrated. People making up that a Catholic hospital did absolutely nothing for her and turned her away.
I mean the list goes on and on.

Some one made up it was a Catholic hospital, that she was turned away, that they kicked her out without treatment, also said it was because she was black and poor and that's why she was treated poorly. All of this is total bs.

They don't acknowledge that she went about her day and tried to flush a dead body. These are facts. Someone in her own household called 911 on her these are facts they don't awknowlege.

You don't know that these are not BS because you are not there reading all the facts in the case. So stop acting as judge by saying it is BS.

Especially because it is a FACT that black women, and poor women, have worse outcomes when it comes to pregnancy and medical attention to difficult pregnancies. It is a fact that has been discussed ad nauseum if you were paying attention.

You also don't know as fact just how many weeks the fetus was. No, just because the prosecutor says 22 weeks does not mean that the fetus had lived to 22 weeks before the woman's body expelled it. Anyone who has gone through a miscarriage would know that. Many of us here have indicated that we had fetuses who died in utero and they carried them for 1, 2, even 3 weeks before the miscarriage took place.

Meanwhile you keep repeating that completely BS phrase "went about her day" that you stole from the biased prosecutors who use it to demonize someone who had a traumatic pregnancy experience. You can't even tell us what that means.

I've had 15 week and 11 weeks miscarriages that I never miscarried naturally. So in the time between being given the news baby has no heartbeat and D&C I've had to go about my day like nothing happened. Why would I tell business contacts that it's the literal worst day if my life?

My MIL was a TOTAL b&tch to me, during the holidays because she didn't know that just 4 days before I had surgery to remove my baby. She thought I was a lazy, POS, and didn't understand why I wasn't picking up my child that she voluntarily held and my husband could have held.

Trust ME. I've been ther we for the absolute worst in people not understanding what you are going through. But sure, just went about my f&cking day.