Pro Israel demonstration in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Gee whiz, Israel and/or Jew haters can’t even let pro-Israel marchers have their moment. It’s almost like a pathological obsession with Israelis and/or Jews.

And/or and/or and/or. There’s a difference. Jews are fully entitled to express and practice their religion without being bothered.

Israelis are a different group entirely. They are citizens of a state that is committing grave offenses against the law. Using my money! I’m entitled to complain.

If you want to be able to march in support of your state’s grave breaches of the law with no complaints, you can move to Russia!

Well you’ll be happy to know that almost everyone at today’s march was American and Jewish. So are we allowed to March in peace?

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Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

What I call delusional are the pro-genocide denialists who pretend like they haven't been in favor of displacing millions of Palestinians from their homes. When you takeover land that has millions of native inhabitants, what do you think will happen to them? Zionism is colonialism and we should not be having valid discussions on these issues in 2023. The fact that you believe the right of Palestinians born and raised in the region can be displaced by immigrants from Europe and the US who had not stepped foot in Palestinian for 2000 years is shocking and abhorrent.

We need to start calling Israel out for the war crimes and terrorism that it has undertaken daily for the past 75 years.

The Palestinians could have had their own state, but they rejected it and launched a new intifada. The Israelis left the Gaza Strip in 2005, and Hamas decided to turn it into a terrorism factory, rather than improve life for their own people. They are largely reaping what they sowed.

You're just another empty-headed progressive, bleating vapid propaganda phrases. Your understanding of history, or lack thereof, is just embarrassing and sad. You should go back to tearing down posters of kidnapped Israeli kids and threatening Jewish college girls, rather than trying to talk with adults.

Honestly, STFU. We're so tired of these lies. Israel offered crap terms with no right of return, no safety for Palestinians and no right to E Jerusalem. There were zero bona fide efforts by them. Israel deliberately gave crappy deals so that people like you could then say "but but the Palestinians!!!".

Israelis are murderous terrorists who stole land and killed natives. They've been on a misinformation binge for 75 years trying to rewrite history to center them as the victims. It is BS and we are not buying it any more. Everything that Israel has claimed has been a lie and we have seen it in real time.

While you cry for another genocide, we're trying to prevent it. We know what side of history that you are on.

Listen, kid, I'm not some Jewish college student you and your Hamas-loving buddies can bully and scare into silence.

You've been brainwashed by anti-Semitic propaganda, and now go around bleating catchphrases that you think make you look deep and progressive. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. You probably list your pronouns in all your social media, and begin every meeting with a land acknowledgment.

Your Hamas homies are now discovering that it's a lot less fun to face the IDF, as opposed to murdering and raping unarmed teenagers and the elderly.

No, I've actually read the history. Jews landed from Europe to settle the Palestinian Territory. There were millions of natives there. They killed and displaced them. They burned villages, stole homes, raped women and forced thousands into exile. They've since forced the remaining natives into a military dictatorship and apartheid.

how you guys continue to support that becuase you are the "chosen ones" is really beyond any normal comprehension. It is kool-aid level cult derangement.

Why would a bunch of white Europeans spend nearly a hundred years fighting over a pile of sand in the middle east?

Hint: that's where they're actually from. They were in Europe because they were exiled there.

This is so ridiculous. My ancestors came across the Bering Straight when it was a block of ice. Do I get to kill Russians and Chinese to take their land?

Were you exiled from Russia?

Sure! I bet they were all kicked out. Does that mean I get to call for genocide? Seems a pretty easy pass. We would all get to engage in ethnic cleansing that way. What a great way to bond as a people. I guess when you have no sense of morality, it tracks

Why aren’t the Jews kicking the Germans and Poles off the land? They’re the ones who conducted the Holocaust. They should have to cede their land to pay for their crimes.

Jews aren't from Germany and Poland.

Wut. You must think we’re crazy. That is absolutely where Ashkenazi Jews are from. That’s why Yiddish is a Germanic language.

Why didn't Jews in Germany just speak German then?

Because those Jews WHO WERE IN GERMANY were a distinct ethnic group IN GERMANY. There were also Jews in Palestine during the Holocaust. They were not in Germany. In fact there are Jews all over the world. And yet it was the Jews who lived in Europe who suffered the horrors. So let Europe pay for it.

Glad you finally admitted that Jews aren't German, but just lived there.

Of course they were German. That’s the biggest horror of the Holocaust. That Europeans could do this to their own people. The fact that the Ashkenazi Jews were a victim of Nazis does not make them non-European. It makes them European victims of Europeans. What it does not make them is entitled to steal non-Europeans’ land.

The entire point of the Holocaust was that Hitler saw Jews as a different race of people. NO ONE saw Jews as European. Modern day Europeans probably still don't see them as European.

That may be. Let’s assume it’s true. It still isn’t the fault of the Palestinians.

We were talking about Jews being European or not. They are not.
They are indigenous to Israel/Palestine, just as Palestinians are.

Ashkenazi Jews came to Palestine from Europe. The Palestinians did not invite them. The English, in their infinite generosity, decided to gift Palestinian land to people from Europe. I don’t blame the European Jews for wanting a place to live, but I do blame them for cleansing the land of everyone but Jews.

Well, it wasn't for the Palestinians to invite them or not. The English did and here we are.
Jews aren't going anywhere now. And we're certainly not going to deport Ashkenazi Jews and let the rest stay.
Israelis and Palestinians are going to have to figure out a way to live side by side. Getting rid of Netanyahu and Hamas will go a long way.

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Yesterday, an Israeli soldier shot dead an 8-month old baby who was left in the NICU after hospital staff were killed or forced out. The soldier put a bullet through that baby’s tiny little body. And then he laughed and said Gaza belongs to Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, an Israeli soldier shot dead an 8-month old baby who was left in the NICU after hospital staff were killed or forced out. The soldier put a bullet through that baby’s tiny little body. And then he laughed and said Gaza belongs to Israel.

Link please?

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Anonymous wrote:Gee whiz, Israel and/or Jew haters can’t even let pro-Israel marchers have their moment. It’s almost like a pathological obsession with Israelis and/or Jews.

And/or and/or and/or. There’s a difference. Jews are fully entitled to express and practice their religion without being bothered.

Israelis are a different group entirely. They are citizens of a state that is committing grave offenses against the law. Using my money! I’m entitled to complain.

If you want to be able to march in support of your state’s grave breaches of the law with no complaints, you can move to Russia!

Well you’ll be happy to know that almost everyone at today’s march was American and Jewish. So are we allowed to March in peace?

Yes, of course. No matter how gross the calls for genocide may be, you are entitled to march for that purpose. We can, however, call you out on how vile that practice truly is.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, an Israeli soldier shot dead an 8-month old baby who was left in the NICU after hospital staff were killed or forced out. The soldier put a bullet through that baby’s tiny little body. And then he laughed and said Gaza belongs to Israel.

Citation needed. And, if you are quoting Hamas, don't bother.

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Why are people supporting the continuous bombing of Gaza while also chanting “bring them home” about the hostages? Doesn’t the bombing put the hostages at risk?

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Anonymous wrote:Gee whiz, Israel and/or Jew haters can’t even let pro-Israel marchers have their moment. It’s almost like a pathological obsession with Israelis and/or Jews.

Or a hope that you guys will stop calling for the genocide of an entire people? How can you be so nonplussed by this?

We aren’t calling for a genocide. Please actually listen to what we are saying, or just leave us alone.

Some of "you" are. Just call them out and stand as forcibly against them as you expect others to stand against Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Gee whiz, Israel and/or Jew haters can’t even let pro-Israel marchers have their moment. It’s almost like a pathological obsession with Israelis and/or Jews.

And/or and/or and/or. There’s a difference. Jews are fully entitled to express and practice their religion without being bothered.

Israelis are a different group entirely. They are citizens of a state that is committing grave offenses against the law. Using my money! I’m entitled to complain.

If you want to be able to march in support of your state’s grave breaches of the law with no complaints, you can move to Russia!

Well you’ll be happy to know that almost everyone at today’s march was American and Jewish. So are we allowed to March in peace?

Yes, of course. No matter how gross the calls for genocide may be, you are entitled to march for that purpose. We can, however, call you out on how vile that practice truly is.

Thank you so much. You’ll also be happy to know that there were no calls for genocide at the march either.

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You will not see hate, violence or call for genocide at the #MarchForIsrael in DC today.

What you will see:

People’s faces— we’re not ashamed because our cause is just.

You will see them cry— we’re grieving.

You will see them sing for peace— we still believe in true justice.

You will see them thanking the authorities— we appreciate their hard work.

You will see them recognizing the pain of innocent Palestinians— we believe in humanity.

You will se them standing in unity— as we come together for peace.

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Can we stop with Israelis/Jews being white? Some are and some are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Gee whiz, Israel and/or Jew haters can’t even let pro-Israel marchers have their moment. It’s almost like a pathological obsession with Israelis and/or Jews.

Or a hope that you guys will stop calling for the genocide of an entire people? How can you be so nonplussed by this?

We aren’t calling for a genocide. Please actually listen to what we are saying, or just leave us alone.

Israel has been actively engaged in genocide for 75 years. That is the entity you are supporting. Anything short of a complete rebuke of Israeli settlement and colonization is a call for genocide.

Right.

A "genocide" by a nuclear power that somehow hasn't been successful in 75 years, and has actually resulted in a population explosion.

War is terrible, but it's not genocide.

You aren’t familiar with the law on genocide. It includes numerous actions, including forceble transfer of population and home demolition.

A genocide need not be successful to be genocide.

No, you aren’t familiar with the definition of genocide. Before you get to the actions, you have to have the intent. Specifically, “the specific intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group”. Israel doesn’t have that intent, as numerous posters here have explained. Yes, I know you disagree with that, before you reply.

Israel has continuously espoused its intent to eliminate the Palestinian people. They have done so as far back as 1947. Read the Plan Dalot. It's an entire plan for eliminating the native Arab population. So yes, Israelis have held a continuous intent to destroy in whole a national, ethnic and racial group from their native lands.

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You will not see hate, violence or call for genocide at the #MarchForIsrael in DC today.

What you will see:

People’s faces— we’re not ashamed because our cause is just.

You will see them cry— we’re grieving.

You will see them sing for peace— we still believe in true justice.

You will see them thanking the authorities— we appreciate their hard work.

You will see them recognizing the pain of innocent Palestinians— we believe in humanity.

You will se them standing in unity— as we come together for peace.

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Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

What I call delusional are the pro-genocide denialists who pretend like they haven't been in favor of displacing millions of Palestinians from their homes. When you takeover land that has millions of native inhabitants, what do you think will happen to them? Zionism is colonialism and we should not be having valid discussions on these issues in 2023. The fact that you believe the right of Palestinians born and raised in the region can be displaced by immigrants from Europe and the US who had not stepped foot in Palestinian for 2000 years is shocking and abhorrent.

We need to start calling Israel out for the war crimes and terrorism that it has undertaken daily for the past 75 years.

The Palestinians could have had their own state, but they rejected it and launched a new intifada. The Israelis left the Gaza Strip in 2005, and Hamas decided to turn it into a terrorism factory, rather than improve life for their own people. They are largely reaping what they sowed.

You're just another empty-headed progressive, bleating vapid propaganda phrases. Your understanding of history, or lack thereof, is just embarrassing and sad. You should go back to tearing down posters of kidnapped Israeli kids and threatening Jewish college girls, rather than trying to talk with adults.

Honestly, STFU. We're so tired of these lies. Israel offered crap terms with no right of return, no safety for Palestinians and no right to E Jerusalem. There were zero bona fide efforts by them. Israel deliberately gave crappy deals so that people like you could then say "but but the Palestinians!!!".

Israelis are murderous terrorists who stole land and killed natives. They've been on a misinformation binge for 75 years trying to rewrite history to center them as the victims. It is BS and we are not buying it any more. Everything that Israel has claimed has been a lie and we have seen it in real time.

While you cry for another genocide, we're trying to prevent it. We know what side of history that you are on.

Listen, kid, I'm not some Jewish college student you and your Hamas-loving buddies can bully and scare into silence.

You've been brainwashed by anti-Semitic propaganda, and now go around bleating catchphrases that you think make you look deep and progressive. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. You probably list your pronouns in all your social media, and begin every meeting with a land acknowledgment.

Your Hamas homies are now discovering that it's a lot less fun to face the IDF, as opposed to murdering and raping unarmed teenagers and the elderly.

No, I've actually read the history. Jews landed from Europe to settle the Palestinian Territory. There were millions of natives there. They killed and displaced them. They burned villages, stole homes, raped women and forced thousands into exile. They've since forced the remaining natives into a military dictatorship and apartheid.

how you guys continue to support that becuase you are the "chosen ones" is really beyond any normal comprehension. It is kool-aid level cult derangement.

Why would a bunch of white Europeans spend nearly a hundred years fighting over a pile of sand in the middle east?

Hint: that's where they're actually from. They were in Europe because they were exiled there.

This is so ridiculous. My ancestors came across the Bering Straight when it was a block of ice. Do I get to kill Russians and Chinese to take their land?

Were you exiled from Russia?

Sure! I bet they were all kicked out. Does that mean I get to call for genocide? Seems a pretty easy pass. We would all get to engage in ethnic cleansing that way. What a great way to bond as a people. I guess when you have no sense of morality, it tracks

Why aren’t the Jews kicking the Germans and Poles off the land? They’re the ones who conducted the Holocaust. They should have to cede their land to pay for their crimes.

Jews aren't from Germany and Poland.

Wut. You must think we’re crazy. That is absolutely where Ashkenazi Jews are from. That’s why Yiddish is a Germanic language.

Why didn't Jews in Germany just speak German then?

Because those Jews WHO WERE IN GERMANY were a distinct ethnic group IN GERMANY. There were also Jews in Palestine during the Holocaust. They were not in Germany. In fact there are Jews all over the world. And yet it was the Jews who lived in Europe who suffered the horrors. So let Europe pay for it.

Glad you finally admitted that Jews aren't German, but just lived there.

Of course they were German. That’s the biggest horror of the Holocaust. That Europeans could do this to their own people. The fact that the Ashkenazi Jews were a victim of Nazis does not make them non-European. It makes them European victims of Europeans. What it does not make them is entitled to steal non-Europeans’ land.

That's the whole point. Germany owes them, not Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:Tens of thousands of people marching to celebrate genocide. No one is going to convinced to support Israel from this stunt. If anything, it’s the opposite.

I mean this rally could have been named, “Support for genocide” I mean do people have no shame these days???

Obviously you aren’t there or you wouldn’t say this. Absolutely no one is marching to support genocide and almost every speaker has mentioned innocent Palestinian lives lost and hopes for peace in the region. Sorry that it doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

Zionism explicitly calls for genocide. This march was all for the complete abolition of the Palestinian people and their removal from their generational homeland. Yes, we save Van Jones call for peace - and then we saw the pro-genocide crowd break into "no ceasefire" chants.

These people are complete and utter monsters. I don't think there's anyway that Israel can recover its image from this - at least not from those that believe in human rights. The far right and evangelicals love it because they also believe in mass extermination of those that they deem unworthy. Couldn't have found better bedfellows.

You are completely delusional.

What I call delusional are the pro-genocide denialists who pretend like they haven't been in favor of displacing millions of Palestinians from their homes. When you takeover land that has millions of native inhabitants, what do you think will happen to them? Zionism is colonialism and we should not be having valid discussions on these issues in 2023. The fact that you believe the right of Palestinians born and raised in the region can be displaced by immigrants from Europe and the US who had not stepped foot in Palestinian for 2000 years is shocking and abhorrent.

We need to start calling Israel out for the war crimes and terrorism that it has undertaken daily for the past 75 years.

The Palestinians could have had their own state, but they rejected it and launched a new intifada. The Israelis left the Gaza Strip in 2005, and Hamas decided to turn it into a terrorism factory, rather than improve life for their own people. They are largely reaping what they sowed.

You're just another empty-headed progressive, bleating vapid propaganda phrases. Your understanding of history, or lack thereof, is just embarrassing and sad. You should go back to tearing down posters of kidnapped Israeli kids and threatening Jewish college girls, rather than trying to talk with adults.

Honestly, STFU. We're so tired of these lies. Israel offered crap terms with no right of return, no safety for Palestinians and no right to E Jerusalem. There were zero bona fide efforts by them. Israel deliberately gave crappy deals so that people like you could then say "but but the Palestinians!!!".

Israelis are murderous terrorists who stole land and killed natives. They've been on a misinformation binge for 75 years trying to rewrite history to center them as the victims. It is BS and we are not buying it any more. Everything that Israel has claimed has been a lie and we have seen it in real time.

While you cry for another genocide, we're trying to prevent it. We know what side of history that you are on.

Listen, kid, I'm not some Jewish college student you and your Hamas-loving buddies can bully and scare into silence.

You've been brainwashed by anti-Semitic propaganda, and now go around bleating catchphrases that you think make you look deep and progressive. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. You probably list your pronouns in all your social media, and begin every meeting with a land acknowledgment.

Your Hamas homies are now discovering that it's a lot less fun to face the IDF, as opposed to murdering and raping unarmed teenagers and the elderly.

No, I've actually read the history. Jews landed from Europe to settle the Palestinian Territory. There were millions of natives there. They killed and displaced them. They burned villages, stole homes, raped women and forced thousands into exile. They've since forced the remaining natives into a military dictatorship and apartheid.

how you guys continue to support that becuase you are the "chosen ones" is really beyond any normal comprehension. It is kool-aid level cult derangement.

Why would a bunch of white Europeans spend nearly a hundred years fighting over a pile of sand in the middle east?

Hint: that's where they're actually from. They were in Europe because they were exiled there.

This is so ridiculous. My ancestors came across the Bering Straight when it was a block of ice. Do I get to kill Russians and Chinese to take their land?

Were you exiled from Russia?

Sure! I bet they were all kicked out. Does that mean I get to call for genocide? Seems a pretty easy pass. We would all get to engage in ethnic cleansing that way. What a great way to bond as a people. I guess when you have no sense of morality, it tracks

Why aren’t the Jews kicking the Germans and Poles off the land? They’re the ones who conducted the Holocaust. They should have to cede their land to pay for their crimes.

Jews aren't from Germany and Poland.

Wut. You must think we’re crazy. That is absolutely where Ashkenazi Jews are from. That’s why Yiddish is a Germanic language.

Why didn't Jews in Germany just speak German then?

Because those Jews WHO WERE IN GERMANY were a distinct ethnic group IN GERMANY. There were also Jews in Palestine during the Holocaust. They were not in Germany. In fact there are Jews all over the world. And yet it was the Jews who lived in Europe who suffered the horrors. So let Europe pay for it.

Glad you finally admitted that Jews aren't German, but just lived there.

Of course they were German. That’s the biggest horror of the Holocaust. That Europeans could do this to their own people. The fact that the Ashkenazi Jews were a victim of Nazis does not make them non-European. It makes them European victims of Europeans. What it does not make them is entitled to steal non-Europeans’ land.

The entire point of the Holocaust was that Hitler saw Jews as a different race of people. NO ONE saw Jews as European. Modern day Europeans probably still don't see them as European.

That may be. Let’s assume it’s true. It still isn’t the fault of the Palestinians.

We were talking about Jews being European or not. They are not.
They are indigenous to Israel/Palestine, just as Palestinians are.

Ashkenazi Jews came to Palestine from Europe. The Palestinians did not invite them. The English, in their infinite generosity, decided to gift Palestinian land to people from Europe. I don’t blame the European Jews for wanting a place to live, but I do blame them for cleansing the land of everyone but Jews.

Well, it wasn't for the Palestinians to invite them or not. The English did and here we are.
Jews aren't going anywhere now. And we're certainly not going to deport Ashkenazi Jews and let the rest stay.
Israelis and Palestinians are going to have to figure out a way to live side by side. Getting rid of Netanyahu and Hamas will go a long way.

It was sure as heck not English land to give! And yet here we all are. Israel and Palestine will not have peace until all people living under israeli rule have full civil rights. One state, two states, I don’t really care.

Hamas is not your problem. There was violence before Hamas. Netenyahu is not your problem. There has been settlements expansion is every single Israeli government.

What is the problem? Zionism. As soon as Europe introduced Zionism, the bloodshed began. Jewish supremacy must end. It’s time for all Palestinians to have all rights they are entitled to by virtue of being human.