How can we make DC streets bicycle and pedestrian-only?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

That's a motor scooter, aka a moped.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

And what’s your point? You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one. Way to show your *ss.

For reference, you are the poster calling cyclists hostile. And I'm not sure why. The example you're showing seems to be an accident between a moped and a car.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

What cyclist in this thread has said that scooter users shouldn't be allowed in a bike lane? None. Take your strawman and go elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

That's a motor scooter, aka a moped.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

And what’s your point? You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one. Way to show your *ss.

A motorcycle doesn't belong in a bike lane because it travels at a far greater speed than everything else in it and is also much larger and heavier than other vehicles in it... that's not rocket science and its not anti-safe streets for motorcycles.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

That's a motor scooter, aka a moped.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

And what’s your point? You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one. Way to show your *ss.

For reference, you are the poster calling cyclists hostile. And I'm not sure why. The example you're showing seems to be an accident between a moped and a car.

DP. It was a crash between a moped rider and a car driver.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

That's a motor scooter, aka a moped.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

And what’s your point? You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one. Way to show your *ss.

For reference, you are the poster calling cyclists hostile. And I'm not sure why. The example you're showing seems to be an accident between a moped and a car.

DP. It was a crash between a moped rider and a car driver.

Ty for fixing - my bad

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

That's a motor scooter, aka a moped.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

And what’s your point? You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one. Way to show your *ss.

For reference, you are the poster calling cyclists hostile. And I'm not sure why. The example you're showing seems to be an accident between a moped and a car.

DP. It was a crash between a moped rider and a car driver.

Truth!

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Anonymous wrote:Does DC provide scooters and e-bikes to Section 8 residents?

DC has created an e-bike subsidy that includes an income-based criteria. Not sure why they excluded scooters, which is not fair to the large scooter riding community.

Someone should tell the “scooter riding community” to stay the hell off the sidewalks! It’s dangerous for pedestrians — and illegal — to operate scooters there.

Only in the downtown business district is it actually illegal. Where are they supposed to ride? In the road? People like you called for speed caps at 10mph. Riding a scooter at 10mph in the road with cars going 25-40mph more than you is way more dangerous than riding on a side walk.

We don't care if you get killed. Stay off the sidewalks.

If you want scooters off the sidewalk then you should support provide scooters users with safe, protected infrastructure. What do you have against scooters? Are you a scooter bigot?

Let’s just get rid of the friggin things like some other cities are doing.

Can we ban e-bikes too? We do not need to accommodate every single trendy mode of transportation that comes along.

The should certainly ban e-bikes from the sidewalks and the trails. Some of them are quite heavy and at a good clip a collision with a pedestrian could be deadly for the pedestrian.

Someone on an ebike riding on a sidewalk on a street in which there was a bike lane almost hit my child. If he had, he would have gone to the hospital too.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Please move downtown if you want this lifestyle. It’s already there. Stop screwing up the single family neighborhoods with this nonsense. We like our car lifestyle just fine.

where in downtown DC is there bike and pedesrtain only street? I live in Capiol HIll and I dont see any. Except I guess on weekends right in front of eastern market.

BTW I visited Montreal this summer and there was a lovely 3 block stretch where cars arent allowed. The delivery trucks use the alley areas. It was really nice. Bustling little shops and restaurants on the ground floor and apartments or offices above. All locals, no chains.

But Montreal is much cheaper real estate than DC, so maybe folks are more willing to take risks like this. As I disabled person I enjoyed the larger area for walking and using a wheelchair.etc. often sidewalks are too narrow for comfort and it was nice to be able use the entire street.

The problem is buildings and money as it is in many US areas. Buildings are built with little room between them and the street. DC would need larger setbacks and an area of no-builds, but they won’t do this because it would lose money on property taxes.

Look at what Falls Church and Clarendon did. They are canyons. I’m not anti-car but I am foe making places more walkable. Both of these places made it less appealing to walk and harder to use other modes of human-powered transportation.

Good point!

For DC, I’m thinking that rather than make certain roads “no cars” make them one way for cars. It would be bike line, parking, one way car line, parking, bike line. In my neighborhood there are so many narrow streets— May as well just make them one way, and make protected bike lines. Maybe there are some more narrow streets in Falls Church or Clarendon that could also try this. 🤔

Why no scooter lane?

Could scooters use the bike lanes? Or I guess it could be bike lane, parking, one way car lane, parking, scooter lane. I've never seen a scooter only lane before, but maybe I don't get out much.

Dedicated, protected lanes specifically for scooters are needed because paint isn’t protection. The only surprising / not surprising thing about this is how hostile and unconcerned cyclists are about the safety and lives of scooter users. You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one.

https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1723853070495322471

That's a motor scooter, aka a moped.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

And what’s your point? You either believe in safe streets for everyone or no one. Way to show your *ss.

For reference, you are the poster calling cyclists hostile. And I'm not sure why. The example you're showing seems to be an accident between a moped and a car.

DP but I’ve been monitoring you and it fascinates me that you are either Jeff or a friend of Jeff who spends all of their time making troll threads and posts about cycling nonsense and then proceeded to engage in petty name calling with people who disagree with you and also delete posts of others who actually land solid blows pointing out your leaps of logic and mistakes. You’re obviously more than welcome to do what you want but the fact you do it behind anonymity is an interesting choice. That, along with your behavior indicates that you are not actually engaged in moderation but editorializing.

lol you're talking to at least two different people and might need an internet break yikes

How would you know this?

Probably because they are one poster and I'm another and there's likely even more.

Pretty transparently stupid of you to think this makes sense. See ya!

What's hard for you to understand about this? Do I need to slow it down for you?

You make stupid comment.
A poster on this forum retorts you.
You make another stupid comment.
I retort you.
You make another stupid comment.
A poster on this forum retorts you.

There are at least 2 posters retorting you. Potentially more.

Better?

It’s transparently stupid because it’s irrelevant to the prior point, but in fact reveals a lot more than what you seemingly intend. Let’s run it down from the top.

- looks like someone with access to site moderation tools is viewing IPs and carefully curating content through anon posting and deleting posts
- in response you say it’s not one person but two

Pretty sure that if this site moderator was even remotely pro cyclist at least a few of these overdrawn threads would just be nuked into oblivion, bro.

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Personally, I think the bike lobby and GGW and possibly an ANC member or two are carpetbagging on this site.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I think the bike lobby and GGW and possibly an ANC member or two are carpetbagging on this site.

I'm sorry but we would have accepted sock puppeting or any number of things. But "carpet bagging"? Please Google before you post

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I think the bike lobby and GGW and possibly an ANC member or two are carpetbagging on this site.

I'm sorry but we would have accepted sock puppeting or any number of things. But "carpet bagging"? Please Google before you post

“Carpet puppeting”?

Not sure why this thread is still a thing. Conn Ave bike lanes are dead.

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Exactly. It kills me how many “ban the cars” people in my neighborhood are also avid users of Uber and DoorDash and Instacart. They are so proud they bike to work, but the rest of the time, they are still using the cars they hate, but think they are somehow superior because they don’t own them.

An audacious and idiotic accusation. I'm a "Ban the Cars" person and I have never used Door Dash, Uber Eats, etc, because I make dinner myself.

You, on the other hand, are a lazy typical driver melting the planet so you can live in your rigged and unsustainable suburban home segregated from society's ills and still be able to drive five minutes to get coffee.

DP: this thread is about DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Unicorns will deliver supplies to downtown establishment.

Unicorns crap in the streets

Then liberals pay for minorities to scoop it up.

Utopia !!

[Anonymous]

If the WABA bike lobby wanted to earn goodwill, they should help to fund some cops on bikes to patrol Connecticut Ave. It would help the businesses and earn trust with the public who might then be more open to bike lanes.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/11/24/dc-car-free-zones/

Looks like some of the CM's are getting some good ideas from this forum!