Waitlisted at TJ - now what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

In 2 years the joke will be on the School Board. Asian admits have already increased between last year to this year (now up to 60%). They will go up again as Asians successfully navigate the new admissions landscape (if you care enough, you will do whatever it takes). Prep for essays, establish and join impressive sounding STEM clubs, live in apartments in underrepresented school areas - it is all happening already.

[Anonymous]

Any waitpool offers this week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

Not really, I'm just more concerned with the underrepresented groups like AA and Hispanic that you're ignoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

Not really, I'm just more concerned with the underrepresented groups like AA and Hispanic that you're ignoring.

And I am concerned about underrepresented Asian groups that get lost in the mix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

Not really, I'm just more concerned with the underrepresented groups like AA and Hispanic that you're ignoring.

You do realize you’re just confirming everything is always about “groups” for you.

We’ll see how well this plays out over the next few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

Ok. Don’t take them seriously. I don’t think anyone is appealing to you in any case.

The rational majority will speak when the next elections happen.

I suspect that you are going to be sorely disappointed. I would vote for a moderate Republican but the Republicans that end up running are anything but Moderate and will not receive the votes of the majority of the people in this region.

That said, the school board behaved poorly.

And I don’t have a problem with the changes as they stand. I think that guaranteeing seats to every MS is a good call. I prefer using metrics that every student can meet, ie classes and grades from MS and not extra curricular activities that not all kids have access to is fine. I do wish they would increase the GPA to 3.75, include all classes and not just the core classes, and require kids have Geometry before completing 8th grade.

The reality is that increasing the number of URM is going to decrease the number of Asian kids at TJ because the Asian kids are highly overrepresented at TJ.

Maybe they should also increase the number of Sophmores and Juniors who are allowed to transfer into TJ. Perhaps a summer class to make up for whatever it was that they missed would be required?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

Not really, I'm just more concerned with the underrepresented groups like AA and Hispanic that you're ignoring.

And I am concerned about underrepresented Asian groups that get lost in the mix.

Underrepresented Asian groups were, per the data, by far the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process. That’s already been litigated on this forum elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court already had a chance to halt the admissions process. There’s no guarantee they’ll even grant certiorari if it comes up again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any waitpool offers this week?

Not that I’ve heard of and considering the moms r just getting mad at each other I can assume they haven’t heard of any either lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

Ok. Don’t take them seriously. I don’t think anyone is appealing to you in any case.

The rational majority will speak when the next elections happen.

I suspect that you are going to be sorely disappointed. I would vote for a moderate Republican but the Republicans that end up running are anything but Moderate and will not receive the votes of the majority of the people in this region.

That said, the school board behaved poorly.

And I don’t have a problem with the changes as they stand. I think that guaranteeing seats to every MS is a good call. I prefer using metrics that every student can meet, ie classes and grades from MS and not extra curricular activities that not all kids have access to is fine. I do wish they would increase the GPA to 3.75, include all classes and not just the core classes, and require kids have Geometry before completing 8th grade.

The reality is that increasing the number of URM is going to decrease the number of Asian kids at TJ because the Asian kids are highly overrepresented at TJ.

Maybe they should also increase the number of Sophmores and Juniors who are allowed to transfer into TJ. Perhaps a summer class to make up for whatever it was that they missed would be required?

It’s despicable to say Asian kids are over-represented at TJ. It’s no different than saying Jewish people are over-represented at the Treasury Department. You are disgusting and should be ashamed of yourself.

And if any group is over-representatives it’s women on the School Board and hopefully many will be removed soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court already had a chance to halt the admissions process. There’s no guarantee they’ll even grant certiorari if it comes up again.

It would also be moot if the VDOE intervenes before a cert petition is filed and rehauls the requirements for Governor’s Schools. FCPS has to seek redesignation of TJ as a Governor’s School every year and there’s no guarantee the state will keep approving FCPS’s requests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court already had a chance to halt the admissions process. There’s no guarantee they’ll even grant certiorari if it comes up again.

It would also be moot if the VDOE intervenes before a cert petition is filed and rehauls the requirements for Governor’s Schools. FCPS has to seek redesignation of TJ as a Governor’s School every year and there’s no guarantee the state will keep approving FCPS’s requests.

There is a false sense of confidence among the Fairfax County progressives that they have this issue locked up. You will hear of how Fairfax county is 70% democrat and the court review is in essence done and do on.

The same overconfidence brought in Youngkin to the dismay of many.

As the PP has rightly pointed out, the Dominion of Virginia can always step in.

This issue has much of the Asian community engaged and there will be much higher Asian turnout in the next election. It will be a shocker if the school board gets re-elected. Maybe a couple but that is it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 2 years the joke will be on the School Board. Asian admits have already increased between last year to this year (now up to 60%). They will go up again as Asians successfully navigate the new admissions landscape (if you care enough, you will do whatever it takes). Prep for essays, establish and join impressive sounding STEM clubs, live in apartments in underrepresented school areas - it is all happening already.

The interesting thing is that the school board openly discussed this during the many TJ work sessions. They were aware that parents would respond to incentives in this way.

I will never understand why they spent so much time in the Fall of 2020 on this issue. And still managed to mess it up so profoundly. Between the racism and creating a system that in all honesty was actually more game-able, they harmed education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone post the link to these "TJ Papers?"

Here’s an earlier thread with a link. The conduct of the School Board was embarrassing: even if you didn’t conclude some were anti-Asian and racist, you might still conclude they were unprincipled and deeply incompetent. The only way these people could ever be re-elected is if there are enough people who just blindly vote for candidates endorsed by the Democrats (in which case they fully deserve four more years of FCPS decline):

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1028206.page

I agree the board acted deplorably; nevertheless, with a 59% share of TJ seats I can't take these claims seriously.

That’s because you likely look at Asian students as some monolithic group to be treated (or, depending on your perspective, mistreated) collectively, whether their ancestry is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Afghan, etc, rather than as individuals to be evaluated on their individual merits.

Brabrand and the School Board decided there were too many Asian kids at TJ, as a group, and not enough Blacks or Hispanics, as groups, and then tried to engineer an ostensibly race-blind change in the admissions process to alter the school’s racial demographics. The fact that they may not fully achieve their goals, or that they may delay their full implementation for strategic purpose, doesn’t mean their motives may not be examined or may not serve as the basis for a court to conclude they violated the Constitution. While it may take years for the litigation to be resolved, they likely will not fare well if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court already had a chance to halt the admissions process. There’s no guarantee they’ll even grant certiorari if it comes up again.

It would also be moot if the VDOE intervenes before a cert petition is filed and rehauls the requirements for Governor’s Schools. FCPS has to seek redesignation of TJ as a Governor’s School every year and there’s no guarantee the state will keep approving FCPS’s requests.

There is a false sense of confidence among the Fairfax County progressives that they have this issue locked up. You will hear of how Fairfax county is 70% democrat and the court review is in essence done and do on.

The same overconfidence brought in Youngkin to the dismay of many.

As the PP has rightly pointed out, the Dominion of Virginia can always step in.

This issue has much of the Asian community engaged and there will be much higher Asian turnout in the next election. It will be a shocker if the school board gets re-elected. Maybe a couple but that is it.

As a card carrying liberal left-wing member, FCPS managed to change my mind into voting for Youngkin in the last election.

I want reform to TJ and share many of the goals that FCPS supposedly espouses. The corrupt, racist, incompetent and politically motivated way they made changes to admissions in the middle of a pandemic turned me off.

If this is what progressives stand for, I would choose even Trump over them.