It wasn't Christianity that made pp and the people you grew up with mean - they are inherently mean and just use their religion as an excuse. In their minds, their meanness helps them to get into heaven. |
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple...and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. --John 2:15 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? --Matthew 23:33 Whoa, what is this, a mean Jesus? And he's being judgemental. Where is that sweet lovable hippie Jesus who approves of sin because he said not to judge, and told a woman he does not condemn her for adultery? This incident is often trotted out to say Christians should not stand up and speak out against evil because that would be judging, but they rarely continue with what Jesus said to this woman: ...go, and sin no more. Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. Here again, Jesus confirms that he is the only way to heaven. There are not multiple paths, multiple lights: Jesus is the only light. If I am "mean" for repeating this, then so be it; I'm a big bad meanie. I will not apologize or stand down from what Jesus said. You may hate me for this but nobody respects these limp-wristed, wishy-washy Christians who whine, "We just want to get along and be nice, we don't really believe all that in the bible, it's just part of our religion. Come join our church; we're really nice people and you can come see a Rock concert while you're at it, and the preacher, he's like a comedian telling jokes in the pulpit. It's all good fun and we're all going to heaven in one big happy boat; all you have to do is believe and go your merry way and do whatever you feel like doing." No. Jesus said, GO AND SIN NO MORE. How more plain can that be said? But in these days, it's mean to tell someone to stop sinning because that's judging. And here is the apostle Paul, the biggest meanie of them all in Ephesians 5: For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Reprove: to express disapproval.) Paul acknowledges the truth of what Jesus said about him being The Light. Jesus is the only way to heaven. So no, I do not get into heaven by "being mean" by my own means. I am a sinner, and I have repented and turned to Jesus. God is no respecter of persons. I stand only because I stand upon Jesus, the foundation of my faith. I also worship God on Saturday, the Sabbath Day which God said to remember and keep holy, although I am not a 7th Day Adventist. |
You sure are righteous. I bet you're headed straight to heaven! /S |
| Pretty sure half the people that qualify for heaven would turn it down once they learn that they have to spend eternity with the self righteous PP. |
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I grew up Catholic and now attend the Episcopal Church. I believe that nobody really knows and I've settled on being a sort of universalist: yep, everybody gets in. Into what? Clouds, maybe, reliving memories, visiting the long dead, union with God? No idea. Maybe nothing at all - just like it was like before I was born.
Good thing my notions of the afterlife don't matter and are irrelevant to what I'm called to do while I'm here. |
Wow PP. I knew people like you existed but haven’t really come across many of them. I am one of the “evil ones” you discuss above. How do you and I have a chance to coexist in a pluralistic society? Do you think I, as an evil person, is allowed societal flexibility or do you think human laws should be created to follow your interpretation of the Bible? In other words, do you just shake your head sadly at me for when I die or do you also wish to make me “less than” in the eyes of the law? |
Yes. The PP is obviously confused. God didn’t turn the Jews to Judaism and the Indians to Hinduism because they didn’t believe in Jesus. Judaism and Hinduism existed long before Jesus was born. Jesus practiced Judaism. Peter and James believed all Christians had to follow Jewish law. Paul believed that following Jewish law was good “much in every way” but was required only of Jewish Christians and not gentile Christians. Modern Christianity says even Jews who convert to Christianity need not follow Jewish law. This is in stark opposition to the New Testament. |
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Energy doesn't disappear. It just changes. So we go somewhere. I like to think we are all spiritually connected somehow after death. And what we feel is love.
Raised Episcopalian. Not religious now. |
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2: 8-9 This literally says that salvation is a gift from God, by grace through faith, NOT BY WORKS. Please explain how this is twisting anything. I used to be a Christian, but the hate and idiocy of the religious really drove me away. If you really believed what you say, you wouldn't speak and act as you do. But you don't, not deep down: you like the vindication and self-righteous feeling you get from judging others, right? |
| I believe whatever happens, happens to all of us. |
Right. We all die and there’s no afterlife. That happens to all of us. |
That's a side effect only experienced by some, who, with or without religion, like to feel superior to others. |
That's not what the bible says, or the books or other religions invented by humans. |
God turned the Indians over to Hinduism because of their idolatry which they practice to this day and, in my opinion, explains why India is a cesspool of filth, poverty, and disease. Obviously, their gods are not hearing them and they cannot, for these false gods neither hear nor speak. Worship of Baal existed before Jesus was born but it was evil and God said not to do it, and not to get tattoos and put marks in the flesh for the dead in the way that these pagans did. Jesus is the Messiah as foretold by Daniel the prophet. A true Jew recognized their Messiah and believed in Jesus. Notice what Jesus says in Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie What do we see here? God is going to turn people over to Judaism --the synagogue of Satan, which Jesus sharply criticized in many ways, calling it not of God but of the traditions of men: For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition --Mark 7:8 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. --Matthew 23:15 Twice now, Jesus is calling Judaism as put forth by the scribes and Pharisees to be a religion of Satan. In my opinion, Islam and Hinduism are also religions of Satan and their fruits of evil confirm it as such. There was great debate in the New Testament about circumcision and following Jewish law. "Modern Christianity" with its refusal to call homosexuality a sin has no credibility in my eyes and is dismissed with prejudice. I see such churches as part of the great apostasy before the Man of Sin appears. |
i do not use those sources as my frame of reference. |