MPD and gun violence

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in DC over a decade, worked downtown for over two decades, haven’t been back but once since March 2020, and quite honestly am apprehensive about ever setting foot downtown again. We so need to get those guns out of circulation and out of the hands of violent young men. But of course there is no consensus to make that happen - it is this country that has become a shithole.

You’re free to leave. Have a nice trip.

Why is this always the retort? Some of us love living here and aren’t evil white gentrifiers. Having concerns about public safety and uptrending violence doesn’t automatically make one racist. We expect better and want those responsible to be held accountable, even if it means having difficult conversations about race and class. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Yeah it's so weird. It's like half the city of DC enjoys the crime and refuses any solution. I guess that's why your guys city has become such a mess.

I don’t enjoy the crime, but I’m not a fan of punishing BIPOC because some redneck in VA is able to buy a gun. Take guns away from that redneck who’s selling those guns, and shootings in DC will stop.

Interstate sales of firearms other than through licensed dealers are already unlawful.

Sales to prohibited persons are already unlawful.

Straw sales/purchases are already unlawful.

Criminal misuse of firearms is already unlawful.

Why should people in the Commonwealth of Virginia have their civil rights infringed because DC simply refuses to enforce existing law and hold its criminal subculture accountable?

But we lack sufficient means to actually enforce many of those, like interstate transport of guns, straw purchases etc because there isn't a database of who owns what guns and whether they are still in that person's possession or not. If someone has been buying 20 guns a month for years do we have any way of telling if he actually still has all of them in his possession? Nope. But we should. And if we did check we'd probably find quite a few people who illegally transferred them to others.

[Anonymous]

Gun ownership as crime prevention is a lie. If they were actually such a great deterrent, we'd have less crime than other modern nations that have stricter gun controls, like UK or Australia. But we don't. Our crime rate is higher.

[Anonymous]

Even woke NPR can see the writing on the wall

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1018996709/rising-violent-crime-is-likely-to-present-a-political-challenge-for-democrats-in

It’s almost like we should respect the police and let them police violent communities. Or we will see rising crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Gun ownership as crime prevention is a lie. If they were actually such a great deterrent, we'd have less crime than other modern nations that have stricter gun controls, like UK or Australia. But we don't. Our crime rate is higher.

Let’s just say there are multiple variables other than guns between those nations and the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in DC over a decade, worked downtown for over two decades, haven’t been back but once since March 2020, and quite honestly am apprehensive about ever setting foot downtown again. We so need to get those guns out of circulation and out of the hands of violent young men. But of course there is no consensus to make that happen - it is this country that has become a shithole.

You’re free to leave. Have a nice trip.

Why is this always the retort? Some of us love living here and aren’t evil white gentrifiers. Having concerns about public safety and uptrending violence doesn’t automatically make one racist. We expect better and want those responsible to be held accountable, even if it means having difficult conversations about race and class. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Yeah it's so weird. It's like half the city of DC enjoys the crime and refuses any solution. I guess that's why your guys city has become such a mess.

I don’t enjoy the crime, but I’m not a fan of punishing BIPOC because some redneck in VA is able to buy a gun. Take guns away from that redneck who’s selling those guns, and shootings in DC will stop.

Interstate sales of firearms other than through licensed dealers are already unlawful.

Sales to prohibited persons are already unlawful.

Straw sales/purchases are already unlawful.

Criminal misuse of firearms is already unlawful.

Why should people in the Commonwealth of Virginia have their civil rights infringed because DC simply refuses to enforce existing law and hold its criminal subculture accountable?

But we lack sufficient means to actually enforce many of those, like interstate transport of guns, straw purchases etc because there isn't a database of who owns what guns and whether they are still in that person's possession or not. If someone has been buying 20 guns a month for years do we have any way of telling if he actually still has all of them in his possession? Nope. But we should. And if we did check we'd probably find quite a few people who illegally transferred them to others.

“We” lack sufficient means. Unless you have a mouse in your pocket, I don’t know who “we” is. But if you’re claiming DC doesn’t have adequate resources, why are they cutting numbers? And if you claim the feds lack adequate capacity, maybe they could detail a few of the armored and armed agents of the EPA raiding car repair shops lest somebody improve vehicle performance.

There is no will to prosecute. As for going around and searching homes in violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, among other things, I suspect a lot of people have all sorts of valuable and/or unlawful items that have never been recorded for transfer or estate tax purposes. Why stop with guns?

And there is zero empirical evidence that gun collectors and gun owners generally engage in unlawful transfers. Ever heard of the concept of probable cause?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gun ownership as crime prevention is a lie. If they were actually such a great deterrent, we'd have less crime than other modern nations that have stricter gun controls, like UK or Australia. But we don't. Our crime rate is higher.

Let’s just say there are multiple variables other than guns between those nations and the US.

Such as????

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in DC over a decade, worked downtown for over two decades, haven’t been back but once since March 2020, and quite honestly am apprehensive about ever setting foot downtown again. We so need to get those guns out of circulation and out of the hands of violent young men. But of course there is no consensus to make that happen - it is this country that has become a shithole.

You’re free to leave. Have a nice trip.

Why is this always the retort? Some of us love living here and aren’t evil white gentrifiers. Having concerns about public safety and uptrending violence doesn’t automatically make one racist. We expect better and want those responsible to be held accountable, even if it means having difficult conversations about race and class. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Yeah it's so weird. It's like half the city of DC enjoys the crime and refuses any solution. I guess that's why your guys city has become such a mess.

I don’t enjoy the crime, but I’m not a fan of punishing BIPOC because some redneck in VA is able to buy a gun. Take guns away from that redneck who’s selling those guns, and shootings in DC will stop.

Interstate sales of firearms other than through licensed dealers are already unlawful.

Sales to prohibited persons are already unlawful.

Straw sales/purchases are already unlawful.

Criminal misuse of firearms is already unlawful.

Why should people in the Commonwealth of Virginia have their civil rights infringed because DC simply refuses to enforce existing law and hold its criminal subculture accountable?

But we lack sufficient means to actually enforce many of those, like interstate transport of guns, straw purchases etc because there isn't a database of who owns what guns and whether they are still in that person's possession or not. If someone has been buying 20 guns a month for years do we have any way of telling if he actually still has all of them in his possession? Nope. But we should. And if we did check we'd probably find quite a few people who illegally transferred them to others.

“We” lack sufficient means. Unless you have a mouse in your pocket, I don’t know who “we” is. But if you’re claiming DC doesn’t have adequate resources, why are they cutting numbers? And if you claim the feds lack adequate capacity, maybe they could detail a few of the armored and armed agents of the EPA raiding car repair shops lest somebody improve vehicle performance.

There is no will to prosecute. As for going around and searching homes in violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, among other things, I suspect a lot of people have all sorts of valuable and/or unlawful items that have never been recorded for transfer or estate tax purposes. Why stop with guns?

And there is zero empirical evidence that gun collectors and gun owners generally engage in unlawful transfers. Ever heard of the concept of probable cause?

I don’t care about your pointless empirical evidence. I care about taking guns away from people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in DC over a decade, worked downtown for over two decades, haven’t been back but once since March 2020, and quite honestly am apprehensive about ever setting foot downtown again. We so need to get those guns out of circulation and out of the hands of violent young men. But of course there is no consensus to make that happen - it is this country that has become a shithole.

You’re free to leave. Have a nice trip.

Why is this always the retort? Some of us love living here and aren’t evil white gentrifiers. Having concerns about public safety and uptrending violence doesn’t automatically make one racist. We expect better and want those responsible to be held accountable, even if it means having difficult conversations about race and class. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Yeah it's so weird. It's like half the city of DC enjoys the crime and refuses any solution. I guess that's why your guys city has become such a mess.

I don’t enjoy the crime, but I’m not a fan of punishing BIPOC because some redneck in VA is able to buy a gun. Take guns away from that redneck who’s selling those guns, and shootings in DC will stop.

Interstate sales of firearms other than through licensed dealers are already unlawful.

Sales to prohibited persons are already unlawful.

Straw sales/purchases are already unlawful.

Criminal misuse of firearms is already unlawful.

Why should people in the Commonwealth of Virginia have their civil rights infringed because DC simply refuses to enforce existing law and hold its criminal subculture accountable?

But we lack sufficient means to actually enforce many of those, like interstate transport of guns, straw purchases etc because there isn't a database of who owns what guns and whether they are still in that person's possession or not. If someone has been buying 20 guns a month for years do we have any way of telling if he actually still has all of them in his possession? Nope. But we should. And if we did check we'd probably find quite a few people who illegally transferred them to others.

“We” lack sufficient means. Unless you have a mouse in your pocket, I don’t know who “we” is. But if you’re claiming DC doesn’t have adequate resources, why are they cutting numbers? And if you claim the feds lack adequate capacity, maybe they could detail a few of the armored and armed agents of the EPA raiding car repair shops lest somebody improve vehicle performance.

There is no will to prosecute. As for going around and searching homes in violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, among other things, I suspect a lot of people have all sorts of valuable and/or unlawful items that have never been recorded for transfer or estate tax purposes. Why stop with guns?

And there is zero empirical evidence that gun collectors and gun owners generally engage in unlawful transfers. Ever heard of the concept of probable cause?

I don’t care about your pointless empirical evidence. I care about taking guns away from people.

This person has either reached new heights of trolling or does not understand what "empirical" means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even woke NPR can see the writing on the wall

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1018996709/rising-violent-crime-is-likely-to-present-a-political-challenge-for-democrats-in

It’s almost like we should respect the police and let them police violent communities. Or we will see rising crime.

The writer should be reassigned for such doomsday claptrap. That’s not someone worthy of covering the WH.

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in DC over a decade, worked downtown for over two decades, haven’t been back but once since March 2020, and quite honestly am apprehensive about ever setting foot downtown again. We so need to get those guns out of circulation and out of the hands of violent young men. But of course there is no consensus to make that happen - it is this country that has become a shithole.

You’re free to leave. Have a nice trip.

Why is this always the retort? Some of us love living here and aren’t evil white gentrifiers. Having concerns about public safety and uptrending violence doesn’t automatically make one racist. We expect better and want those responsible to be held accountable, even if it means having difficult conversations about race and class. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Yeah it's so weird. It's like half the city of DC enjoys the crime and refuses any solution. I guess that's why your guys city has become such a mess.

I don’t enjoy the crime, but I’m not a fan of punishing BIPOC because some redneck in VA is able to buy a gun. Take guns away from that redneck who’s selling those guns, and shootings in DC will stop.

Interstate sales of firearms other than through licensed dealers are already unlawful.

Sales to prohibited persons are already unlawful.

Straw sales/purchases are already unlawful.

Criminal misuse of firearms is already unlawful.

Why should people in the Commonwealth of Virginia have their civil rights infringed because DC simply refuses to enforce existing law and hold its criminal subculture accountable?

But we lack sufficient means to actually enforce many of those, like interstate transport of guns, straw purchases etc because there isn't a database of who owns what guns and whether they are still in that person's possession or not. If someone has been buying 20 guns a month for years do we have any way of telling if he actually still has all of them in his possession? Nope. But we should. And if we did check we'd probably find quite a few people who illegally transferred them to others.

“We” lack sufficient means. Unless you have a mouse in your pocket, I don’t know who “we” is. But if you’re claiming DC doesn’t have adequate resources, why are they cutting numbers? And if you claim the feds lack adequate capacity, maybe they could detail a few of the armored and armed agents of the EPA raiding car repair shops lest somebody improve vehicle performance.

There is no will to prosecute. As for going around and searching homes in violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, among other things, I suspect a lot of people have all sorts of valuable and/or unlawful items that have never been recorded for transfer or estate tax purposes. Why stop with guns?

And there is zero empirical evidence that gun collectors and gun owners generally engage in unlawful transfers. Ever heard of the concept of probable cause?

I don’t care about your pointless empirical evidence. I care about taking guns away from people.

This person has either reached new heights of trolling or does not understand what "empirical" means.

I know exactly what empirical means. And in this context, it means abused statistics and false interpretations pushed by the gun lobby to justify people being able to own instruments of murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in DC over a decade, worked downtown for over two decades, haven’t been back but once since March 2020, and quite honestly am apprehensive about ever setting foot downtown again. We so need to get those guns out of circulation and out of the hands of violent young men. But of course there is no consensus to make that happen - it is this country that has become a shithole.

You’re free to leave. Have a nice trip.

Why is this always the retort? Some of us love living here and aren’t evil white gentrifiers. Having concerns about public safety and uptrending violence doesn’t automatically make one racist. We expect better and want those responsible to be held accountable, even if it means having difficult conversations about race and class. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Yeah it's so weird. It's like half the city of DC enjoys the crime and refuses any solution. I guess that's why your guys city has become such a mess.

I don’t enjoy the crime, but I’m not a fan of punishing BIPOC because some redneck in VA is able to buy a gun. Take guns away from that redneck who’s selling those guns, and shootings in DC will stop.

No, no they won’t. Why do BIPOCs shoot each other regardless of where and how they acquired the gun? Explain that please.

They shoot each other BECAUSE THEY HAVE GUNS, dumbass! The presence of guns is what CAUSES the shootings. No guns? No shootings. Take guns away from everyone, and no more shootings. This isn’t math, ok? The answer is right in front of you and it’s plainly obvious. And let’s not overlook another obvious benefit of getting rid of guns besides reducing urban crime - disarming insurrectionist-Americans. Millions of potentially violent GQP’ers out there with arsenals of weapons. They are a serious threat to the security of this country and as long as they stay armed they will remain the threat.

So, we take guns away from law abiding citizens and who is left with guns? Criminals. You think they are going to give up their weapons? No.... they are criminals BECAUSE they don't follow the law.
So, these criminals break into a house and the homeowner has no defense... except maybe a kitchen knife - until those are confiscated as well. Or, maybe they can go into their pantry and throw canned goods at the thieves. Until they are shot dead by the intruders.

The number of shootings will decrease dramatically in your scenario where “only criminals have guns” because most people aren’t criminals. Duh. There are plenty of other options available to people who are defending themselves against home invasion - wasp spray is just as effective at incapacitating someone attacking you, and they don’t be killed as a result of it.

This might be the most ridiculously ignorant comment I've ever seen on DCUM. And that's saying something. If you've ever been the victim of a burglary, as some of us have, believe me wasp spray is not what you need when someone has a gun pointed at your face (or at a loved one). These thugs don't care at all about gun laws. They have no respect for other people's rights (or even other people's lives) They only respond to swift and consistent punishment -- that is, being put behind bars. Can society rehab them while they are locked away? Hopefully, but we sure as hell aren't doing anything but harming innocent people by letting them remain on the streets to attack at will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even woke NPR can see the writing on the wall

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1018996709/rising-violent-crime-is-likely-to-present-a-political-challenge-for-democrats-in

It’s almost like we should respect the police and let them police violent communities. Or we will see rising crime.

Studies have been done on why crime, especially murders, are increasing. Very little data available, but they know 2 things, increased gun ownership increases crime, but massively increasing policing does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even woke NPR can see the writing on the wall

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1018996709/rising-violent-crime-is-likely-to-present-a-political-challenge-for-democrats-in

It’s almost like we should respect the police and let them police violent communities. Or we will see rising crime.

Studies have been done on why crime, especially murders, are increasing. Very little data available, but they know 2 things, increased gun ownership increases crime, but massively increasing policing does not.

Not if the hands of the police are tied, increased police won't make a bit of difference. Nor will it make a difference if the thugs who are repeatedly arrested are repeatedly let out on the streets by progressive prosecutors and judges.
I would like to see this study that says increased gun ownership increases crime. Because, I have seen data that states quite the opposite.

[Anonymous]

This was in Oakland, but is evidence that ANYONE can be a victim of crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was in Oakland, but is evidence that ANYONE can be a victim of crime.

Property crime. No one cares. Buy a new phone.