Virginia explores plan to end advanced diplomas: 'Equitably serving the needs...of all of Virginia l

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Perhaps you should go back to the beginning and read the article. From the article: Sale also said during Tuesday's meeting that the diploma consolidation effort would include plans to implement the Virginia Math Pathways Initiative (VMPI), which aims to redefine "mathematics pathways" for Virginia K-12 students "to address the knowledge, skills, experiences and attributes that students must attain to be successful in college and/or the workforce and to be 'life ready.'"

Yes, but the thing most of us want to focus on is that the end of two tiers of diplomas makes no difference to which classes students take or how well they will be prepared for college.

I care a lot about math pathways and not at all about advanced vs standard diplomas.

Exactly this. VADOE is absolutely this side of b@tsh1t coocoobananas with their Math changes but honestly the diploma change is a big nothingburger.

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Anonymous wrote:If the advanced diploma is so meaningless compared to the standard diploma, why is Virginia getting rid of it?

Why do they consider it a problem that not enough non Asian minorities are getting the advanced diploma.

The DCUM consensus is that the advanced diploma doesn’t matter.

It's a problem that so many Black and Hispanic students seem to be getting directed into a weak course selection. So now they will be required to stick with core classes for all four years. It doesn't take anything away from the kids currently pursuing the advanced diploma. This is what *actually* raising the bar looks like.

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You can see the video on this at VA DOE's Yourube channel.
My impression is there are currently SIX degrees available and they are reducing it to three.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember that a lot of students use the AP classes to defray the cost of college. You limit the number of APs and you can be adding thousands of dollars of costs to college.

At this rate AP classes aren’t long for this world. State, at least.

Mostly because the College Board is struggling financially.

George Mason or another state school will appreciate enrollment in their vastly expanded dual enrollment program then.

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Anonymous wrote:While I completely disagree with much that the VDOE has been doing, this I am not opposed to.

There should absolutely be more flexibility with the advanced diploma. My kid is 2E, brilliant kid but has dyslexia. He tried really hard with foreign language but the way his brain is wired he could not pass. Meanwhile, he was in AP classes and and loved academic challenges in any other way.

Ultimately though, even with multiple AP and honors classes, he still graduated with a standard diploma. That’s all well and good but is kind of a slap in the face to a kid that really meets the point of the diploma.

They can fix your issue without revising 8 years of math education. Poor excuse to support the revisions as they are.

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Is there a source on this that is NOT Fox News or some other right wing news outlet? I’d like a neutral fact based overview and can’t seem to find it. I did not spend too much time looking though.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a source on this that is NOT Fox News or some other right wing news outlet? I’d like a neutral fact based overview and can’t seem to find it. I did not spend too much time looking though.

You can see the original source, VDOE here...

A discussion of the proposal vs. the current standard/advanced diplomas is in this video, starting at about 1:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVpvdfY9L9w&t=3034s

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When over 50% of graduating seniors in LCPS have over a 4.0 (yes, really, its true, they have said so numerous times at board meetings) then does an "advanced diploma" reallly mean anything anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Perhaps you should go back to the beginning and read the article. From the article: Sale also said during Tuesday's meeting that the diploma consolidation effort would include plans to implement the Virginia Math Pathways Initiative (VMPI), which aims to redefine "mathematics pathways" for Virginia K-12 students "to address the knowledge, skills, experiences and attributes that students must attain to be successful in college and/or the workforce and to be 'life ready.'"

Yes, but the thing most of us want to focus on is that the end of two tiers of diplomas makes no difference to which classes students take or how well they will be prepared for college.

I care a lot about math pathways and not at all about advanced vs standard diplomas.

Exactly this. VADOE is absolutely this side of b@tsh1t coocoobananas with their Math changes but honestly the diploma change is a big nothingburger.

+1
Diploma thing sounds fine. VMPI - jury out now based on the new doc posted that does a 180 about not banning advanced courses

[Anonymous]

Some kids can barely eke out a standard diploma. Will this make it harder for them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the advanced diploma is so meaningless compared to the standard diploma, why is Virginia getting rid of it?

Why do they consider it a problem that not enough non Asian minorities are getting the advanced diploma.

The DCUM consensus is that the advanced diploma doesn’t matter.

It's a problem that so many Black and Hispanic students seem to be getting directed into a weak course selection. So now they will be required to stick with core classes for all four years. It doesn't take anything away from the kids currently pursuing the advanced diploma. This is what *actually* raising the bar looks like.

Some people prioritize education and others simply don't. There is only so much a school system can and should do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the advanced diploma is so meaningless compared to the standard diploma, why is Virginia getting rid of it?

Why do they consider it a problem that not enough non Asian minorities are getting the advanced diploma.

The DCUM consensus is that the advanced diploma doesn’t matter.

It's a problem that so many Black and Hispanic students seem to be getting directed into a weak course selection. So now they will be required to stick with core classes for all four years. It doesn't take anything away from the kids currently pursuing the advanced diploma. This is what *actually* raising the bar looks like.

Some people prioritize education and others simply don't. There is only so much a school system can and should do.

Well you sound nice.

Every child deserves the opportunity. This kind of regressive thinking creates a permanent under class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some kids can barely eke out a standard diploma. Will this make it harder for them?

yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the advanced diploma is so meaningless compared to the standard diploma, why is Virginia getting rid of it?

Why do they consider it a problem that not enough non Asian minorities are getting the advanced diploma.

The DCUM consensus is that the advanced diploma doesn’t matter.

It's a problem that so many Black and Hispanic students seem to be getting directed into a weak course selection. So now they will be required to stick with core classes for all four years. It doesn't take anything away from the kids currently pursuing the advanced diploma. This is what *actually* raising the bar looks like.

One person’s raising is another person’s lowering.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a source on this that is NOT Fox News or some other right wing news outlet? I’d like a neutral fact based overview and can’t seem to find it. I did not spend too much time looking though.

You can see the original source, VDOE here...

A discussion of the proposal vs. the current standard/advanced diplomas is in this video, starting at about 1:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVpvdfY9L9w&t=3034s

They seemed to spend more time recapping work from years ago that did not move ahead and speculating on what changes might be made vs laying out what changes ARE being proposed in any detail.