Can we boycott Georgia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which elements of the Georgia law are people most concerned with? I skimmed an article, but nothing seemed particularly bad.

The whole damn thing! What is wrong with you?

DP. After the $hit show of the GA elections in 2020, I totally get why they are tightening up their laws.
Funny how the DC elite want to tell GA how to conduct elections.

What shit show? Several audits and hand counts showed that it had total integrity. The only thing that would have allowed it to run more smoothly is if early votes could have been counted so the post election day counting could have been avoided, like in most other jurisidictions (GOP did not allow this in GA, PA, WI and AZ just for the optics of what happened)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If an ID is so hard to get, how are people buying liquor, renting an apt, or seeing a doctor, etc?

They aren't. A lot of people don't do these things. Voting is a right. Driving a car and buying liquor are opt in exercises.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If an ID is so hard to get, how are people buying liquor, renting an apt, or seeing a doctor, etc?

They aren't. A lot of people don't do these things. Voting is a right. Driving a car and buying liquor are opt in exercises.

PP here. True, but seeing a doctor, renting a room or apt, and showing ID for food assistance programs seem fairly common.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous
"In Delaware, the general assembly is considering a variety of measures to improve access to the ballot. Automatic voter registration and same-day registration will be considered this session. Additionally, many state legislators are pushing to amend the state constitution to allow no-excuse absentee voting, which will open the door to permanent vote by mail options for Delawareans."

https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights/amidst-a-wave-of-voter-suppression-bills-some-states-expand-access-to-the-ballot/

You say this as if it contradicts what the voting situation is in DE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If an ID is so hard to get, how are people buying liquor, renting an apt, or seeing a doctor, etc?

They aren't. A lot of people don't do these things. Voting is a right. Driving a car and buying liquor are opt in exercises.

I note that you left out visiting a doctor. I thought you folks consider this a "right." You still need ID for the doctor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember voting for the first time in 2000 and never having to show an ID. It was this way in all 50 states for centuries

What happened? Why don’t Republicans trust their fellow Americans?

No ID at all? How do they know who you are?

No ID. Americans voted for centuries without ID.

Why the change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If an ID is so hard to get, how are people buying liquor, renting an apt, or seeing a doctor, etc?

They aren't. A lot of people don't do these things. Voting is a right. Driving a car and buying liquor are opt in exercises.

I note that you left out visiting a doctor. I thought you folks consider this a "right." You still need ID for the doctor.

Your health insurance might require it, but it's not a law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Among other things, the law requires a photo ID in order to vote absentee by mail, after more than 1.3 million Georgia voters used that option during the COVID-19 pandemic. It also cuts the time people have to request an absentee ballot and limits where ballot drop boxes can be placed and when they can be accessed.

Democrats and voting rights groups say the law will disproportionately disenfranchise voters of color.

Why do democrats and voting rights groups act like voters of color are idiots who cannot comply with the simple rules above? There is nothing particularly disenfranchising in this regarding voters of color.

What problem does this law solve and why is it necessary? The goal should be to make voting easier not harder. Voter registration should be universal and automatic and absentee ballots should be sent to everyone automatically. Other countries get this and know that getting everyone’s vote is important. Of course if voting is harder, fewer people will end up voting and that’s what the GOP wants.

I'm an immigrant and I've spent many years in other countries, including countries that have mandatory voting. They 'get' that voting is important. Even the country I lived in with optional voting still had an average turn-out close to 90%. They also require ID at the voting booth, limit mail-in voting to those with reasons to do so (e.g. disabilities or in a nursing home) and do not allow "ballot harvesting" or for people to just drop their ballot sheets into random boxes. If you take voting seriously, these restrictions are very reasonable and frankly pretty obvious.

And yes, voter registration should happen automatically, but it should only ever happen for American citizens. If non-citizens are enrolled then someone should face a felony charge for that. It's not difficult to only enroll actual citizens who are above a certain age in the system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i don't show id when i vote in dc.

i go to my local elementary school. i have literally never waited in a line of more than 5 people. i give the poll workers my name. they have me sign for the ballot.

done.

if someone had already requested my ballot so it wasn't available, then it would be contested. i would then have to show my id. and that other person would have broken the law.

if i don't vote at all in an election, but someone else voted my ballot, i can see that online.

And obviously, requiring an ID from the get-go would eliminate any of the other scenarios. This is pure common sense, which is obviously why Democrats are against it.

[Anonymous]

for those of you with broken googles:

Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote

Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.

Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.

Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.

The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.

Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points, which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.

Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory

Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.

States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.

Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.

Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.

Voter ID Requirements are a Solution in Search of a Problem

In-person fraud is vanishingly rare. A recent study found that, since 2000, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation – the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast.

Identified instances of “fraud” are honest mistakes. So-called cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are almost always the product of an elections worker or a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.

Voter ID laws are a waste of taxpayer dollars. States incur sizeable costs when implementing voter ID laws, including the cost of educating the public, training poll workers, and providing IDs to voters.

Texas spent nearly $2 million on voter education and outreach efforts following passage of its Voter ID law.
Indiana spent over $10 million to produce free ID cards between 2007 and 2010.

The ACLU has led the charge against Voter ID in several states, challenging voter ID laws in in states such as Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. For more information, please contact Robert Hoffman at [e-mail] or visit https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/fighting-voter-suppression/fighting-voter-id-requirements to learn more.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i don't show id when i vote in dc.

i go to my local elementary school. i have literally never waited in a line of more than 5 people. i give the poll workers my name. they have me sign for the ballot.

done.

if someone had already requested my ballot so it wasn't available, then it would be contested. i would then have to show my id. and that other person would have broken the law.

if i don't vote at all in an election, but someone else voted my ballot, i can see that online.

I would think that the very persons you mentioned as having difficulty obtaining an ID would also not have access to a computer to follow up online?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i don't show id when i vote in dc.

i go to my local elementary school. i have literally never waited in a line of more than 5 people. i give the poll workers my name. they have me sign for the ballot.

done.

if someone had already requested my ballot so it wasn't available, then it would be contested. i would then have to show my id. and that other person would have broken the law.

if i don't vote at all in an election, but someone else voted my ballot, i can see that online.

And obviously, requiring an ID from the get-go would eliminate any of the other scenarios. This is pure common sense, which is obviously why Democrats are against it.

If you want to mandate ID's then you need to make it easy and free for residents to obtain them. Making them take 4 buses and spend all day getting to a rural DMV site if they don't have a car, is not the easy way to make it happen. So make one easy and people will get them. Make it hard to impossible, as many southern states do, then no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i don't show id when i vote in dc.

i go to my local elementary school. i have literally never waited in a line of more than 5 people. i give the poll workers my name. they have me sign for the ballot.

done.

if someone had already requested my ballot so it wasn't available, then it would be contested. i would then have to show my id. and that other person would have broken the law.

if i don't vote at all in an election, but someone else voted my ballot, i can see that online.

And obviously, requiring an ID from the get-go would eliminate any of the other scenarios. This is pure common sense, which is obviously why Democrats are against it.

If you want to mandate ID's then you need to make it easy and free for residents to obtain them. Making them take 4 buses and spend all day getting to a rural DMV site if they don't have a car, is not the easy way to make it happen. So make one easy and people will get them. Make it hard to impossible, as many southern states do, then no.

Idont think it's right to make it hard to vote, but where do people have to change buses 4 times to get to a DMV site?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can also look to the largest corporations in Georgia who fund the GOP there.

CNN
Delta
Coke
Home Depot
UPS
Arbys


etc.

Tweet to them and let them know publicly of your concerns.

LOL.
And, you people accuse Republicans of "cancel culture?" You all are hilarious.

This!!!! Hysterical!!!