Can I ask. If you're screaming about teachers taking childcare leave

[Anonymous]

None of the teachers cared about women's workforce retention when they told OTHER WOMEN to hire childcare / make it work / move in with family / quit.

The call to feminism is so disingenuous I am gagging.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

[Anonymous]

FFS, daycares have been open for months now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the teachers cared about women's workforce retention when they told OTHER WOMEN to hire childcare / make it work / move in with family / quit.

The call to feminism is so disingenuous I am gagging.

+1

Suddenly it matters now that it benefits teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

I would like you to find me one communication from a teachers' union or organization that acknowledge the sacrifice made by families, and women and particular, to support school buildings remaining closed in the name of safety. One single expression of gratitude for what children have given up would go a long way. I have not seen it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

"Unchangeable" lol. They could have gone in to schools and changed the situation, but they collectively decided not to.

[Anonymous]

It's not parental leave. They can apply to take Cares act leave. But it seems like there are a fair number of childcare providers offering services at present, so I don't understand why they wouldn't use one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

Oooo you apparently have not existed as a parent of a young child for the past year.

I don't think teachers are heartless gorgons. I do think they have jobs like many of the rest of us, and therefore have to figure it out like the rest of us. I don't understand why they'd get special treatment. We already are bending to the will of groups of teachers who have no ability to perform rational risk analysis. I'm not sure why we have to do this as well.

[Anonymous]

Can I ask. Is this a troll post?

[Anonymous]

I just looked at the teachers' contract in the county I live in. It actually provides that teachers may be given a leave of absence, without pay, for up to two years for "child rearing." The leave being granted might be a matter of contract that is a benefit that teachers receive, but that other professions do not receive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

I would like you to find me one communication from a teachers' union or organization that acknowledge the sacrifice made by families, and women and particular, to support school buildings remaining closed in the name of safety. One single expression of gratitude for what children have given up would go a long way. I have not seen it.

NP

Is this assuming we are only talking about the DC area, or elsewhere in the country? Just checking.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

I would like you to find me one communication from a teachers' union or organization that acknowledge the sacrifice made by families, and women and particular, to support school buildings remaining closed in the name of safety. One single expression of gratitude for what children have given up would go a long way. I have not seen it.

NP

Is this assuming we are only talking about the DC area, or elsewhere in the country? Just checking.

I was talking about DMV, but I've not seen anything like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at the teachers' contract in the county I live in. It actually provides that teachers may be given a leave of absence, without pay, for up to two years for "child rearing." The leave being granted might be a matter of contract that is a benefit that teachers receive, but that other professions do not receive.

Does it say they can take it at any time? Anyway, I'm fine with it, particularly the "without pay" part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

Yes, I have seen the number of women pushed out of the workforce, in no small part to schools being closed.

THE REST OF US ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. WE WERE TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE NOT HAD CHILDREN. TEACHERS TOLD US TO HIRE CHILDCARE.

Also, you need science and to do some research on 3-year-olds covid risks, and understand why the rest of us got over it.

The funny part is that many of us did in fact go out to hire childcare, and the above person is complaining that there is now a dearth of childcare available for teachers.

I am NOT complaining about the dearth of options, I am simply being factual and empathetic. As I was with my other non-teacher friends (I am not a schoolteacher by the way) who either had to quit their jobs or pay substantially more for childcare or accept care they were not comfortable with.

Is there not enough empathy and sympathy for everyone?

Teachers treated us without empathy for 11 months and now they want some?

No.

This is just plain projection. Teachers did not treat anyone without empathy. Maybe a few here and there, but that is being online, not real life. The situation has been untenable but unchangeable for a good chunk of that time, so all the attacks on them have been mostly unnecessary. Where do you get the idea what every teacher is some heartless gorgon out for your blood?

I would like you to find me one communication from a teachers' union or organization that acknowledge the sacrifice made by families, and women and particular, to support school buildings remaining closed in the name of safety. One single expression of gratitude for what children have given up would go a long way. I have not seen it.

NP

Is this assuming we are only talking about the DC area, or elsewhere in the country? Just checking.

The closest we get is the union putting out paternalistic communications suggesting that they're staying home for OUR safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked at the teachers' contract in the county I live in. It actually provides that teachers may be given a leave of absence, without pay, for up to two years for "child rearing." The leave being granted might be a matter of contract that is a benefit that teachers receive, but that other professions do not receive.

Does it say they can take it at any time? Anyway, I'm fine with it, particularly the "without pay" part.

It has to be approved, so I guess there is some discretion. I like the idea of teachers being above to have children and care for them without having to lose their tenure. It is a nice benefit. I also agree that ideally, this would be done from year to year or planned well in advance and not mid-year.