Arbitration ruling on Reopening

[Anonymous]

https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/01/ahead-of-monday-reopening-arbiter-will-rule-on-breach-of-contract-claim-against-dc-schools/


According to this article a decision is expected on Saturday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/01/ahead-of-monday-reopening-arbiter-will-rule-on-breach-of-contract-claim-against-dc-schools/


According to this article a decision is expected on Saturday.

What an amazing spiiinnnn. The only person who says a decision is expected tomorrow is Liz Davis while DCPS holding the line for Monday opening with canned statement. Me thinks Liz Davis knows the arbiter is not gonna delay the opening thus Saturday meeting to vote for action.And she backtracks publicly:

“I think the DCPS team wanted to give the impression that all we’re interested in is shutting down the system,” This has been the goal since November.

Should be an interesting zoom meeting. lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok but does anyone know what happened with t this arbitration?

Here's a guess... nothing. No opinion was reached. There have been no press releases from either DCPS or the WTU, have there?

The WTU has a meeting scheduled for Saturday @ 4:30, I would guess collective action for the upcoming week will be voted on then. Stay tuned.

Thx for the info. The split in that vote could be very telling. I absolutely believe there are many that want to return, but, with their consistent fight, WTU leadership is sure acting like they know what the majority of the membership wants. Hopefully that leadership is out of touch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that the WTU is clearly using this as a tactic and trying to shift the goalposts. They have not identified a single school with a specific issue by name. I am not denying that there may be school specific issues that need addressing, but (1) it’s not clear that this is the best way to do that and (2) that is clearly not the WTU’s actual goal. Look at the materials re: the WTU’s protest this weekend, it is not at all about MOA breaches but, once again, shifting the goalposts (this plan is inequitable... not until every teacher vaccinated... not until it’s safe (no definition)... nothing about MOA breaches & desired solutions).

What are you talking about “the best way to do that”? Do you work in labor law? The arbitrator is exactly the way that they go about getting these things, it’s literally the purpose of arbitration in labor relations. The HVAC records and in-school student data are things that DCPS and WTU agreed upon months ago. DCPS needs to hold up their end of the bargain. The protests, slogans, etc is all irrelevant. The MOA is the only thing that matters here.

So can someone tell me if DCPS has the names of students who want to go back? It’s starting to look like dcps set a number of kids they want to return snd just started calling folks. Come to think of it, I was never asked formally (something with my children’s name on it) about our preference.

It seems simple, make a list of which students want to return and then ask which students want to return. If 20% of the students want to return and 10% of the staff, the difference could be made up with the cares staff right?

No ones headed back at our school, too much speculation about unreported cases. It just sucks that so many teachers got called up and the kids were off for three days and I still have no idea what my kids are doing Monday morning. Who their teacher will be, I just know both of them have to return in person.

That means you didn't get a spot. They offered people spots based on a lottery w/ certain priorities and then a pure lottery. They did not only offer spots to people who had previously expressed an interest. It sounds like you just didn't understand how the process was working. At our school, the survey data -- which each school had on an individualized basis and which was presented to their Reopening Corps -- indicated that up to 80% of students wanted to return depending on the grade level, so it's not like schools could just accommodate everyone's preferences. (And no, "CARES staff" could definitely not cover the gap between staff preference and parent preference at many/most city schools.)

Four kids at three schools, not once asked if we wanted a seat. My oldest’s best friend got a call saying that because of a survey from summer their school has to fill 40% and they are calling basically begging her to come back. He has an IEP but actually one of the few thriving so he doesn’t want to come in. It seems like a vastly different experience for folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

This *is* the compromise. WTU literally signed an agreement to return (the MOA).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

I don’t think the second dose of the vaccine works like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

I don’t think the second dose of the vaccine works like that.

It does. For one of the two mRNA vaccines, the fda approval allows up to 6 weeks vs the recommended 3. If they get beyond that then they would just start they two vaccine course over, but at a later time this summer when they wouldn’t be competing with our first responders and other prioritized people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

I don’t think the second dose of the vaccine works like that.

It does. For one of the two mRNA vaccines, the fda approval allows up to 6 weeks vs the recommended 3. If they get beyond that then they would just start they two vaccine course over, but at a later time this summer when they wouldn’t be competing with our first responders and other prioritized people

I think they need to be vaccinating as many people as possible as fast as possible. Have people restart the series is asinine. It’s a wasted dose.

I’m not sure who you would be hurting by taking it away from teachers. People over 65? This board has already decided they shouldn’t be a priority. Maybe you want parents to get it first. I guess they can be a priority. DC’s next priority is obese people. Should we skip over them if they are teachers too?

1000% you are a troll.

What will you troll about after Monday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

I don’t think the second dose of the vaccine works like that.

It does. For one of the two mRNA vaccines, the fda approval allows up to 6 weeks vs the recommended 3. If they get beyond that then they would just start they two vaccine course over, but at a later time this summer when they wouldn’t be competing with our first responders and other prioritized people

I think they need to be vaccinating as many people as possible as fast as possible. Have people restart the series is asinine. It’s a wasted dose.

I’m not sure who you would be hurting by taking it away from teachers. People over 65? This board has already decided they shouldn’t be a priority. Maybe you want parents to get it first. I guess they can be a priority. DC’s next priority is obese people. Should we skip over them if they are teachers too?

1000% you are a troll.

What will you troll about after Monday?

Not a troll at all. Teachers were moved ahead based on a condition (in person education) that may go away. If so, then the normal public health priorities should take over. If DC has decided that’s the obese, so be it. How the public priorities are set is a completely separate conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

I don’t think the second dose of the vaccine works like that.

It does. For one of the two mRNA vaccines, the fda approval allows up to 6 weeks vs the recommended 3. If they get beyond that then they would just start they two vaccine course over, but at a later time this summer when they wouldn’t be competing with our first responders and other prioritized people

I think they need to be vaccinating as many people as possible as fast as possible. Have people restart the series is asinine. It’s a wasted dose.

I’m not sure who you would be hurting by taking it away from teachers. People over 65? This board has already decided they shouldn’t be a priority. Maybe you want parents to get it first. I guess they can be a priority. DC’s next priority is obese people. Should we skip over them if they are teachers too?

1000% you are a troll.

What will you troll about after Monday?

Not a troll at all. Teachers were moved ahead based on a condition (in person education) that may go away. If so, then the normal public health priorities should take over. If DC has decided that’s the obese, so be it. How the public priorities are set is a completely separate conversation.

Who has made your believe it is going away? Anonymous fear mongering on this forum? This echo chamber. Barring a snow day, school is OPENING ON MONDAY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The arbitrator can’t delay the opening of schools but regardless of what the arbiter says, the WTU can [legally or illegally] tell its teachers to stay home. So yes, there is the possibility that students will show up to school on Monday but their teacher does not. If this happens, it would be just one more sign that the WTU could care less about students’ well being.

This would be a really bad look for WTU. I suggest those of you with kids offered in person show up Monday no matter what. Your teacher either will or won't be there, but it will be a very stark picture.

To me this looks like DCPS had a bad plan. Can’t move forward without teachers? What about a compromise? Dcps should just fix the violations over the weekend.

Also these should be open to the public in real time.

I have no doubt that DCPS is an inefficient government organization, but at this point it’s all on the teachers. They fought in August when community spread was so much lower and the weather was nice. Same in November. Now this. There’s no compromising with the teachers.

DC needs to play hardball and cancel all first and second vaccine appointments for teachers. The ones that have taken their first shots can start over in a few months at their regular place in line like everyone else

I don’t think the second dose of the vaccine works like that.

It does. For one of the two mRNA vaccines, the fda approval allows up to 6 weeks vs the recommended 3. If they get beyond that then they would just start they two vaccine course over, but at a later time this summer when they wouldn’t be competing with our first responders and other prioritized people

I think they need to be vaccinating as many people as possible as fast as possible. Have people restart the series is asinine. It’s a wasted dose.

I’m not sure who you would be hurting by taking it away from teachers. People over 65? This board has already decided they shouldn’t be a priority. Maybe you want parents to get it first. I guess they can be a priority. DC’s next priority is obese people. Should we skip over them if they are teachers too?

1000% you are a troll.

What will you troll about after Monday?

Not a troll at all. Teachers were moved ahead based on a condition (in person education) that may go away. If so, then the normal public health priorities should take over. If DC has decided that’s the obese, so be it. How the public priorities are set is a completely separate conversation.

Who has made your believe it is going away? Anonymous fear mongering on this forum? This echo chamber. Barring a snow day, school is OPENING ON MONDAY.

From the other thread, it sounds like there’s a union vote this afternoon. Personally I’m still hoping in person happens after the snow and no more extreme measures are necessary, but I think they need to be available

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that the WTU is clearly using this as a tactic and trying to shift the goalposts. They have not identified a single school with a specific issue by name. I am not denying that there may be school specific issues that need addressing, but (1) it’s not clear that this is the best way to do that and (2) that is clearly not the WTU’s actual goal. Look at the materials re: the WTU’s protest this weekend, it is not at all about MOA breaches but, once again, shifting the goalposts (this plan is inequitable... not until every teacher vaccinated... not until it’s safe (no definition)... nothing about MOA breaches & desired solutions).

The agreement was developed before at least two of the three strains of the mutated virus were found in the U.S. It may have been developed before the U.K. strain was identified in the U.S.

It's appropriate to shift the goalposts based on this new information.

Absolutely! The world changes. We're now in a world where the model we previously used to pay teachers for in person learning no longer holds. It's time to consider other options for remote education other than the WTU workforce that doesn't want to return. The insanity of the WTU arguing that things change and the sand can shift everywhere but under thier paychecks is ridiculous.

This. It's crazy that WTU teachers are still getting their entire paycheck and benefits while parents are forced to either do a big part of the teacher's job for them or pay to outsource the teacher's job to a private in-person provider. No teacher is doing 100% of their job remotely. If we're going to keep distance learning, then it would be in the best interest of the students to hire teachers in lower cost areas so we can pay them less. Then give part of the per pupil funding to parents to outsource in-person childcare, tutoring, and pods. Or just give up on distance learning and give parents a larger portion of the per pupil funding so they can outsource education completely to private providers. I guarantee that businesses would crop up to provide cost effective pods etc.

But really just reopen schools and assign teachers back to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that the WTU is clearly using this as a tactic and trying to shift the goalposts. They have not identified a single school with a specific issue by name. I am not denying that there may be school specific issues that need addressing, but (1) it’s not clear that this is the best way to do that and (2) that is clearly not the WTU’s actual goal. Look at the materials re: the WTU’s protest this weekend, it is not at all about MOA breaches but, once again, shifting the goalposts (this plan is inequitable... not until every teacher vaccinated... not until it’s safe (no definition)... nothing about MOA breaches & desired solutions).

The agreement was developed before at least two of the three strains of the mutated virus were found in the U.S. It may have been developed before the U.K. strain was identified in the U.S.

It's appropriate to shift the goalposts based on this new information.

Absolutely! The world changes. We're now in a world where the model we previously used to pay teachers for in person learning no longer holds. It's time to consider other options for remote education other than the WTU workforce that doesn't want to return. The insanity of the WTU arguing that things change and the sand can shift everywhere but under thier paychecks is ridiculous.

This. It's crazy that WTU teachers are still getting their entire paycheck and benefits while parents are forced to either do a big part of the teacher's job for them or pay to outsource the teacher's job to a private in-person provider. No teacher is doing 100% of their job remotely. If we're going to keep distance learning, then it would be in the best interest of the students to hire teachers in lower cost areas so we can pay them less. Then give part of the per pupil funding to parents to outsource in-person childcare, tutoring, and pods. Or just give up on distance learning and give parents a larger portion of the per pupil funding so they can outsource education completely to private providers. I guarantee that businesses would crop up to provide cost effective pods etc.

But really just reopen schools and assign teachers back to work.

Can we stop saying WTU teachers? As far as I know charter teachers are also getting full paychecks.