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Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that the WTU is clearly using this as a tactic and trying to shift the goalposts. They have not identified a single school with a specific issue by name. I am not denying that there may be school specific issues that need addressing, but (1) it’s not clear that this is the best way to do that and (2) that is clearly not the WTU’s actual goal. Look at the materials re: the WTU’s protest this weekend, it is not at all about MOA breaches but, once again, shifting the goalposts (this plan is inequitable... not until every teacher vaccinated... not until it’s safe (no definition)... nothing about MOA breaches & desired solutions).
The agreement was developed before at least two of the three strains of the mutated virus were found in the U.S. It may have been developed before the U.K. strain was identified in the U.S.
It's appropriate to shift the goalposts based on this new information.
Absolutely! The world changes. We're now in a world where the model we previously used to pay teachers for in person learning no longer holds. It's time to consider other options for remote education other than the WTU workforce that doesn't want to return. The insanity of the WTU arguing that things change and the sand can shift everywhere but under thier paychecks is ridiculous.
This. It's crazy that WTU teachers are still getting their entire paycheck and benefits while parents are forced to either do a big part of the teacher's job for them or pay to outsource the teacher's job to a private in-person provider. No teacher is doing 100% of their job remotely. If we're going to keep distance learning, then it would be in the best interest of the students to hire teachers in lower cost areas so we can pay them less. Then give part of the per pupil funding to parents to outsource in-person childcare, tutoring, and pods. Or just give up on distance learning and give parents a larger portion of the per pupil funding so they can outsource education completely to private providers. I guarantee that businesses would crop up to provide cost effective pods etc.
But really just reopen schools and assign teachers back to work.
Can we stop saying WTU teachers? As far as I know charter teachers are also getting full paychecks.
And they are teaching my kid full time and with excellent results. I feel sad for people like you (and your DCUM ilk) who are so very angry that you need to just whine and throw shade at everyone and everything. You are like a 2 year old having a temper tantrum. Stick to complaining about your school and stop assuming that every school and every family is suffering the same fate you perceive yourself to be suffering from.
Setting aside the in person v DL difference, what school is your kid in that they're getting teaching "full time." My Ker gets 3.5 hours/day 4 days a week and my PK3er gets 1.5 hours/day 4 days/week of live instruction and I thought that was actually on the more generous end of what schools are providing. Vanishingly few teachers are teaching anything close to full time... and almost no individual kids are getting full time instruction.
I agree that no students are getting full-time instruction but that doesn’t mean some or most teachers aren’t teaching all day depending on small group schedules or individual supports.
The teachers I know are working very hard and in a very changing environment.
In the adult world, in the working world, it’s not about how hard you work. It’s about what you produce. If you say teachers are workin hard, ok, I believe you. But that means jack sh*t. Because 6 year olds aren’t learning anything from a year of virtual school.
You should get your child evaluated if they are 6 and not able to do DL at all.
NP but that was just a nasty comment. But you knew that when you wrote it. You also knew the PP didn’t say their 6 year old couldn’t ‘do DL’. Just that they weren’t learning.
It's not nasty, I find it odd some parents are saying their child can't learn via DL. 3/4 I totally get. But 6 is 1st grade, they should be able to learn a decent amount or their teacher is poor. Hmm you're right. Either it's the child or teacher.
DP. It's nasty. Come on.
NP. No, it's not. It's a pointed response to yet another hysterical person screaming OMG DL DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYONE NOBODY IS LEARNING FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE!!!" when they do not speak for everyone and their opinion is not fact, no matter how very, very much they want to pretend that it is.
Some young children are fine with DL. The majority are not. Distance Learning is vastly inferior to in-person learning, particularly for special populations, including younger children. This is well-known in education research--so much so that researchers do not need to cite previous reports.
I encourage everyone in this thread to read Chapter 3 of the National Academies report: Reopening K-12 Schools During the COVID-19 Pandemic: Prioritizing Health, Equity, and Communities. It's free and not long.
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25858/reopening-k-12-schools-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-prioritizing
I find it extremely disturbing when I hear ES teachers saying that the majority of their children are doing fine, or that schools do not have a childcare function. Education research is extremely clear about these topics, and I find it very concerning each time I hear teachers who ignore expert consensus, based on data and research.
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