Daycare says can’t come with a runny nose

[Anonymous]

The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

[Anonymous]

If specific classroom or the whole school get quarantined for 14 days because of a staff member or a kid, do parents get refunded for partial tuition or credits applied to next month?

I read the link above, they say that runny nose itself cannot admit the child in the building, I wonder how many daycare follows closely with the guideline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

Then why have the categories of one symptoms and two symptoms at all? Am I just being really obtuse here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

Yes, this is what our daycare (MD) says, too. Runny nose okay as long as it's the only symptom. If it is combined with something else then you stay home.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

Then why have the categories of one symptoms and two symptoms at all? Am I just being really obtuse here?

Yes, this is what our daycare (MD) says, too. Runny nose okay as long as it's the only symptom. If it is combined with something else then you stay home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

I think it’s meant to include yet to be discovered symptoms that aren’t captured already. Like vomiting and diarrhea aren’t thought to be COVID symptoms, but obviously keep your kids home till those are resolved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

I think it’s meant to include yet to be discovered symptoms that aren’t captured already. Like vomiting and diarrhea aren’t thought to be COVID symptoms, but obviously keep your kids home till those are resolved.

What?? Yes, in little kids, these most certainly are symptoms of covid.
Honestly, nearly everything is a potential covid symptom at this age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

That's not what OP Said. OP said that he/she'd seen some kids like that, not that they ALL actually have covid.

Parents take their kids to urgent care because daycare is excluding them all the time. I once waited hours in the ER waiting room at children's, with my kid with a high temp. Kid next to us had a rash that daycare wanted confirmed as not ringworm. Another kid had pinkeye.

I also agree, as a teacher, that a runny nose in a kid young enough to need help is a problem given that even if the runny nose is allergies the kid be asymptomatic, and helping could put a teacher at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

That's not what OP Said. OP said that he/she'd seen some kids like that, not that they ALL actually have covid.

Parents take their kids to urgent care because daycare is excluding them all the time. I once waited hours in the ER waiting room at children's, with my kid with a high temp. Kid next to us had a rash that daycare wanted confirmed as not ringworm. Another kid had pinkeye.

I also agree, as a teacher, that a runny nose in a kid young enough to need help is a problem given that even if the runny nose is allergies the kid be asymptomatic, and helping could put a teacher at risk.

No. OP said children are coming into their urgent care with 1. only a mild runny nose, 2. only because daycare requires it and 3. they have Covid! And I’m telling you that the number of toddlers in the United States with Covid is so infinitesimally small that OP has not even seen 2 of these “mild runny-nosed toddler sent from daycare“ cases, no matter how convenient the fiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

I think it’s meant to include yet to be discovered symptoms that aren’t captured already. Like vomiting and diarrhea aren’t thought to be COVID symptoms, but obviously keep your kids home till those are resolved.

What?? Yes, in little kids, these most certainly are symptoms of covid.
Honestly, nearly everything is a potential covid symptom at this age.

Yes but they aren’t included in MSDE’s list of COVID symptoms. They are just trying to provide a catch all to make sure parents don’t bring their kids with any symptom at all, while drawing attention to some that have been most frequently linked to COVID in particular.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

That's not what OP Said. OP said that he/she'd seen some kids like that, not that they ALL actually have covid.

Parents take their kids to urgent care because daycare is excluding them all the time. I once waited hours in the ER waiting room at children's, with my kid with a high temp. Kid next to us had a rash that daycare wanted confirmed as not ringworm. Another kid had pinkeye.

I also agree, as a teacher, that a runny nose in a kid young enough to need help is a problem given that even if the runny nose is allergies the kid be asymptomatic, and helping could put a teacher at risk.

No. OP said children are coming into their urgent care with 1. only a mild runny nose, 2. only because daycare requires it and 3. they have Covid! And I’m telling you that the number of toddlers in the United States with Covid is so infinitesimally small that OP has not even seen 2 of these “mild runny-nosed toddler sent from daycare“ cases, no matter how convenient the fiction.

Where did you get the idea that the number of young children (PP said “young children” not “toddlers”) is infinitesimally small? Deaths are low in that age group, but cases aren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flowchart is in this doc for anyone having trouble like myself understanding what it means.

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf

I don't understand what they mean by this:
"Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness."

What are examples of a "new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness"? In the box above that one, it seems established that runny nose/congestion IS a possible Covid symptom, and that combined with another symptom in that list, would warrant exclusion.

“For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.”

A new symptom is any of the symptoms listed. To be “covid like” it must meet their criteria.

I think it’s meant to include yet to be discovered symptoms that aren’t captured already. Like vomiting and diarrhea aren’t thought to be COVID symptoms, but obviously keep your kids home till those are resolved.

What?? Yes, in little kids, these most certainly are symptoms of covid.
Honestly, nearly everything is a potential covid symptom at this age.

Yes but they aren’t included in MSDE’s list of COVID symptoms. They are just trying to provide a catch all to make sure parents don’t bring their kids with any symptom at all, while drawing attention to some that have been most frequently linked to COVID in particular.

This is essentially what our provider was told by her licensing specialist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

That's not what OP Said. OP said that he/she'd seen some kids like that, not that they ALL actually have covid.

Parents take their kids to urgent care because daycare is excluding them all the time. I once waited hours in the ER waiting room at children's, with my kid with a high temp. Kid next to us had a rash that daycare wanted confirmed as not ringworm. Another kid had pinkeye.

I also agree, as a teacher, that a runny nose in a kid young enough to need help is a problem given that even if the runny nose is allergies the kid be asymptomatic, and helping could put a teacher at risk.

No. OP said children are coming into their urgent care with 1. only a mild runny nose, 2. only because daycare requires it and 3. they have Covid! And I’m telling you that the number of toddlers in the United States with Covid is so infinitesimally small that OP has not even seen 2 of these “mild runny-nosed toddler sent from daycare“ cases, no matter how convenient the fiction.

Where did you get the idea that the number of young children (PP said “young children” not “toddlers”) is infinitesimally small? Deaths are low in that age group, but cases aren’t.

OP said daycare is sending these mild-runny-nosed children to their urgent care who have shockingly have Covid. Daycare is toddlers (maybe infants!). The percentage of toddlers and infants in the United States with Covid is infinitesimally small, the number of those “with mild runny noses and no other symptoms going to OP’s urgent care because daycare sent them and also surprisingly having Covid” is probably one. The statistics just don’t work with OP’s fiction of an epidemic of slightly runny nosed toddlers who are otherwise fine showing up to one urgent care and having Covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

That's not what OP Said. OP said that he/she'd seen some kids like that, not that they ALL actually have covid.

Parents take their kids to urgent care because daycare is excluding them all the time. I once waited hours in the ER waiting room at children's, with my kid with a high temp. Kid next to us had a rash that daycare wanted confirmed as not ringworm. Another kid had pinkeye.

I also agree, as a teacher, that a runny nose in a kid young enough to need help is a problem given that even if the runny nose is allergies the kid be asymptomatic, and helping could put a teacher at risk.

No. OP said children are coming into their urgent care with 1. only a mild runny nose, 2. only because daycare requires it and 3. they have Covid! And I’m telling you that the number of toddlers in the United States with Covid is so infinitesimally small that OP has not even seen 2 of these “mild runny-nosed toddler sent from daycare“ cases, no matter how convenient the fiction.

Where did you get the idea that the number of young children (PP said “young children” not “toddlers”) is infinitesimally small? Deaths are low in that age group, but cases aren’t.

OP said daycare is sending these mild-runny-nosed children to their urgent care who have shockingly have Covid. Daycare is toddlers (maybe infants!). The percentage of toddlers and infants in the United States with Covid is infinitesimally small, the number of those “with mild runny noses and no other symptoms going to OP’s urgent care because daycare sent them and also surprisingly having Covid” is probably one. The statistics just don’t work with OP’s fiction of an epidemic of slightly runny nosed toddlers who are otherwise fine showing up to one urgent care and having Covid.

Also most parents are not taking their kids to urgent care for a mildly runny nose- so if all of these kids have COVID, surely we’d be seeing a larger trend of it being passed on to their parents, teachers, siblings, etc.