Daycare says can’t come with a runny nose

[Anonymous]

Our preschool did this and people were LIVID. One child had allergies (according to his mom) and was sent home every day for a week. It sucks for working parents, but they wouldn’t budge on the policy due to Covid.

[Anonymous]

The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

[Anonymous]

DC requires exclusion for runny nose. Kids can return in 10 days, with a negative COVID test, or a doctor's not attributing the runny nose to another diagnosis like cold or allergies. We've had lots of pushback from families and even pediatricians who have sent snarky notes, but the regulations require it.

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Anonymous wrote:Our daycare is doing a great job with COVID precautions. I’ve been really impressed with their enforcement for kids, teachers, and families. But they just sent a letter home that said kids with runny noses will be sent home and can’t return until “resolved.” This seems a little excessive. Wondering if other daycare are saying/enforcing this.

Yes, my center is doing this. Requires negative covid test results or doctor's note.

I thought it was overkill until I heard of an acquaintance in this area who tested positive only with a runny nose. That shocked me.

Exclusion for just a runny nose sounds like an unsustainable business model for daycares. Kids could be unsymptomatic too so just exclude everyone. The guidelines from MD make more sense.

This is not a business model, rather it's what the health department and Covid guidlines say daycare must follow. I posted on another thread that we have a flowchart we have to follow for exclusions. Even if a child does not have covid like illness, if it's something like a runny nose, that child must stay home until the symptoms are resolved. Believe me, I doubt many daycares want to battle or ask that kids be kept home. Parents get upset, we get yelled at because they think it's our "business model". It's not, we must follow these guidelines in order to stay open. I just read in a thread that the council now wants to limit us to 50 percent of capacity. We just can't win right now.

DP- I think what some parents are wondering is why a negative PCR Covid test wouldn’t suffice for a return, rather than having to stay home until the cold is resolved. That can take a week or longer. I’m worried I’m going to run through my remaining sick leave quickly and not have enough for an actual serious illness.

This.

“Cold is resolved” in our house can easily be 10 days or more. Fever May only last a day or two, but one of my DDs typically has a lingering cough every time she gets a cold.
If a negative PCR test isn’t sufficient, we’re in trouble.

Write your representatives, who ever controls the MD health department. Like I said, these are not daycare rules, they are MD health department rules that we MUST follow if we as daycares want to remain open. It's in the paperwork we signed for EPCC and then to reopen under COVID.

That is not the rule in MD. Runny nose must be accompanied by another symptom to be excluded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our daycare is doing a great job with COVID precautions. I’ve been really impressed with their enforcement for kids, teachers, and families. But they just sent a letter home that said kids with runny noses will be sent home and can’t return until “resolved.” This seems a little excessive. Wondering if other daycare are saying/enforcing this.

Yes, my center is doing this. Requires negative covid test results or doctor's note.

I thought it was overkill until I heard of an acquaintance in this area who tested positive only with a runny nose. That shocked me.

Exclusion for just a runny nose sounds like an unsustainable business model for daycares. Kids could be unsymptomatic too so just exclude everyone. The guidelines from MD make more sense.

This is not a business model, rather it's what the health department and Covid guidlines say daycare must follow. I posted on another thread that we have a flowchart we have to follow for exclusions. Even if a child does not have covid like illness, if it's something like a runny nose, that child must stay home until the symptoms are resolved. Believe me, I doubt many daycares want to battle or ask that kids be kept home. Parents get upset, we get yelled at because they think it's our "business model". It's not, we must follow these guidelines in order to stay open. I just read in a thread that the council now wants to limit us to 50 percent of capacity. We just can't win right now.

DP- I think what some parents are wondering is why a negative PCR Covid test wouldn’t suffice for a return, rather than having to stay home until the cold is resolved. That can take a week or longer. I’m worried I’m going to run through my remaining sick leave quickly and not have enough for an actual serious illness.

I read this entire thread, but missed that. Did someone say their center doesn't re-admit with a negative, non-rapid test? That is insane. Are you supposed to get a mystical scroll from heavens? Notarized, of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school has no way to know if its allergies or not. They are right as if its a little one, someone has to help them blow their nose.

Really? Absent any other symptoms, the odds of a runny nose in a preschooler being Covid is zero. Tbh I don’t even think it’s the first presenting symptom of Covid.

I work in Peds urgent care and you are wrong. I have seen young children present with just a mild runny nose, and parents were only bringing them in bexhase daycare Made them

Parents are totally bringing young children with only mild runny noses into the URGENT CARE you happen to work at because daycare made them and they all actually have Covid! What a statistic miracle you are! You should contact the CDC with your story, it is truly a medical miracle.

Not sure why my report is so unbelievable. I work at PM Pediatrics, I’ve definitely posted before about covid testing etc. And if you don’t think there are tons of parents bringing their kids in for a test with very mild symptoms because their daycare, or their school, requires a negative PCR before returning, you’re wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our daycare is doing a great job with COVID precautions. I’ve been really impressed with their enforcement for kids, teachers, and families. But they just sent a letter home that said kids with runny noses will be sent home and can’t return until “resolved.” This seems a little excessive. Wondering if other daycare are saying/enforcing this.

Yes, my center is doing this. Requires negative covid test results or doctor's note.

I thought it was overkill until I heard of an acquaintance in this area who tested positive only with a runny nose. That shocked me.

Exclusion for just a runny nose sounds like an unsustainable business model for daycares. Kids could be unsymptomatic too so just exclude everyone. The guidelines from MD make more sense.

This is not a business model, rather it's what the health department and Covid guidlines say daycare must follow. I posted on another thread that we have a flowchart we have to follow for exclusions. Even if a child does not have covid like illness, if it's something like a runny nose, that child must stay home until the symptoms are resolved. Believe me, I doubt many daycares want to battle or ask that kids be kept home. Parents get upset, we get yelled at because they think it's our "business model". It's not, we must follow these guidelines in order to stay open. I just read in a thread that the council now wants to limit us to 50 percent of capacity. We just can't win right now.

DP- I think what some parents are wondering is why a negative PCR Covid test wouldn’t suffice for a return, rather than having to stay home until the cold is resolved. That can take a week or longer. I’m worried I’m going to run through my remaining sick leave quickly and not have enough for an actual serious illness.

This.

“Cold is resolved” in our house can easily be 10 days or more. Fever May only last a day or two, but one of my DDs typically has a lingering cough every time she gets a cold.
If a negative PCR test isn’t sufficient, we’re in trouble.

Write your representatives, who ever controls the MD health department. Like I said, these are not daycare rules, they are MD health department rules that we MUST follow if we as daycares want to remain open. It's in the paperwork we signed for EPCC and then to reopen under COVID.

That is not the rule in MD. Runny nose must be accompanied by another symptom to be excluded.

I posted in the daycare forum with what the flow chart says regarding one symptom. It’s clear to me that there was exclusion until the symptom has resolved. I’ll go find my post.

[Anonymous]

This is what I posted . For reference this is from the August 2020 guidance which is the latest from the state of Maryland.

Please if I am wrong I am open to know. I am going to copy what is in the flow chart. If I am interpreting it wrong I am open to hear how you interpret this guidance.

{For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.}

Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness.
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Exclude person and allow return when symptoms have improved, no fever for at least 24 hours
without fever reducing medication, AND criteria in the Communicable Diseases Summary have
been met as applicable. If person develops symptoms of COVID-19-like illness, follow
processes below for person with COVID-19-like illness.

This is also what we have been told in our listening sessions with licensing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid would never go to school... He has seasonal allergies and we give him Claritin but his nose is still a little bit runny always.

Actually if he is on Claritin with allergies he would be allowed to attend as long as there is a note /diagnosis on file from the doctor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is what I posted . For reference this is from the August 2020 guidance which is the latest from the state of Maryland.

Please if I am wrong I am open to know. I am going to copy what is in the flow chart. If I am interpreting it wrong I am open to hear how you interpret this guidance.

{For the purposes of this decision aid, COVID-19-like illness is defined as: Any 1 of the following: cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, new
loss of taste or smell, OR At least 2 of the following: fever of 100.4o or higher (measured or subjective), chills or shaking chills, muscle aches, sore throat,
headache, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose.}

Person (child, care provider, educator, other
staff) with 1 new symptom not meeting the
definition of COVID-19-like illness.
|
|
|
v
Exclude person and allow return when symptoms have improved, no fever for at least 24 hours
without fever reducing medication, AND criteria in the Communicable Diseases Summary have
been met as applicable. If person develops symptoms of COVID-19-like illness, follow
processes below for person with COVID-19-like illness.

This is also what we have been told in our listening sessions with licensing.

I'm confused- then what is the point of the two sets of symptoms if what they mean is to exclude a child for ANY possible symptom? It is very poorly worded, no wonder people are interpreting the guidance in different ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid would never go to school... He has seasonal allergies and we give him Claritin but his nose is still a little bit runny always.

Actually if he is on Claritin with allergies he would be allowed to attend as long as there is a note /diagnosis on file from the doctor.

Depends on the daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our daycare is doing a great job with COVID precautions. I’ve been really impressed with their enforcement for kids, teachers, and families. But they just sent a letter home that said kids with runny noses will be sent home and can’t return until “resolved.” This seems a little excessive. Wondering if other daycare are saying/enforcing this.

Yes, my center is doing this. Requires negative covid test results or doctor's note.

I thought it was overkill until I heard of an acquaintance in this area who tested positive only with a runny nose. That shocked me.

Exclusion for just a runny nose sounds like an unsustainable business model for daycares. Kids could be unsymptomatic too so just exclude everyone. The guidelines from MD make more sense.

This is not a business model, rather it's what the health department and Covid guidlines say daycare must follow. I posted on another thread that we have a flowchart we have to follow for exclusions. Even if a child does not have covid like illness, if it's something like a runny nose, that child must stay home until the symptoms are resolved. Believe me, I doubt many daycares want to battle or ask that kids be kept home. Parents get upset, we get yelled at because they think it's our "business model". It's not, we must follow these guidelines in order to stay open. I just read in a thread that the council now wants to limit us to 50 percent of capacity. We just can't win right now.

DP- I think what some parents are wondering is why a negative PCR Covid test wouldn’t suffice for a return, rather than having to stay home until the cold is resolved. That can take a week or longer. I’m worried I’m going to run through my remaining sick leave quickly and not have enough for an actual serious illness.

I read this entire thread, but missed that. Did someone say their center doesn't re-admit with a negative, non-rapid test? That is insane. Are you supposed to get a mystical scroll from heavens? Notarized, of course.

This is our center's policy. Kids need to stay home for the duration of a cold even with a negative test result. If it's allergies, a doctor's note must be provided.