What do teachers want?

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Anonymous wrote:Did no one tell teachers dl was twice the work? It is easily that. But double the work and stress to be safe is a good trade off. Now teach our kids or find a new line of work.

+1. I'm just getting tired of all these "dog are my homework" excuses. Teachers you got your DL, now please put in some effort and actually teach our kids.

Parents, we understand you are unhappy ... but your kids will be safe and so will their teachers. Now please put in some effort and actually be a better parent.

You're evading the question. We have been better parents, but that's irrelevant. What will YOU do to be a better teacher? If anything, it looks like some unions are now even trying to wiggle out of DL. Please remember you are still getting *paid* to do *something*.

That was not the question. The question was, “Teachers, what do you want?” There is no evasion.

I hope you're not ironically challenged, as the question was really more rhetorical. As the article points out, one the one hand teachers don't want in-person. On the other hand, teachers also now don't want DL. Huh?! So exactly "what do teachers want" or are they just against all available options?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So for all the teachers now claiming "I haven't gotten trained in teaching through DL," after DEMANDING IT, what do you think the rest of us have been doing? I am teaching huge numbers of students over DL this summer and did so last spring with only a few days turnaround. I figured it out because I had to, not because of endless "teacher training." If you are even moderately intelligent, you'll find a way. You have 4-6 weeks to prepare, now get cracking!

I am a teacher. My DW is a teacher. Neither of us demanded DL. I think it is going to be very difficult. Neither of us want to do DL, but we will have to. Nobody on my grade level team wants to do DL.

Please don’t lump all teachers together.

maybe let your union know that before they do the body bag protest.

There are many teachers not in unions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did no one tell teachers dl was twice the work? It is easily that. But double the work and stress to be safe is a good trade off. Now teach our kids or find a new line of work.

+1. I'm just getting tired of all these "dog are my homework" excuses. Teachers you got your DL, now please put in some effort and actually teach our kids.

Parents, we understand you are unhappy ... but your kids will be safe and so will their teachers. Now please put in some effort and actually be a better parent.

You're evading the question. We have been better parents, but that's irrelevant. What will YOU do to be a better teacher? If anything, it looks like some unions are now even trying to wiggle out of DL. Please remember you are still getting *paid* to do *something*.

That was not the question. The question was, “Teachers, what do you want?” There is no evasion.

I hope you're not ironically challenged, as the question was really more rhetorical. As the article points out, one the one hand teachers don't want in-person. On the other hand, teachers also now don't want DL. Huh?! So exactly "what do teachers want" or are they just against all available options?!

they want to post YouTube videos and online quizzes. But it is becoming clear that isn’t going to fly like it did in the spring. This is school for the next 1-2 years, and kids have to learn which means teachers will have to work longer and harder than they ever have before. Most will do it. Some will quit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Some critics see teachers’ unions as trying to have it both ways: reluctant to return to classrooms, but also resistant in some districts to providing a full day of remote school via tools like live video — the kind of interactive, online instruction that many parents say their children need after watching them flounder in the spring."

Part of the problem is that a lot of teachers have kids themselves- how can they provide a full day instruction and take care of them at the same time? It's not like they can afford a nanny on a treacher salary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did no one tell teachers dl was twice the work? It is easily that. But double the work and stress to be safe is a good trade off. Now teach our kids or find a new line of work.

+1. I'm just getting tired of all these "dog are my homework" excuses. Teachers you got your DL, now please put in some effort and actually teach our kids.

Parents, we understand you are unhappy ... but your kids will be safe and so will their teachers. Now please put in some effort and actually be a better parent.

You're evading the question. We have been better parents, but that's irrelevant. What will YOU do to be a better teacher? If anything, it looks like some unions are now even trying to wiggle out of DL. Please remember you are still getting *paid* to do *something*.

That was not the question. The question was, “Teachers, what do you want?” There is no evasion.

I hope you're not ironically challenged, as the question was really more rhetorical. As the article points out, one the one hand teachers don't want in-person. On the other hand, teachers also now don't want DL. Huh?! So exactly "what do teachers want" or are they just against all available options?!

They want some slack like other professions are getting, like paid admin leave for child care. Instead they are being expected to work even MORE hours than usual and the kids are insane over the Zoom sessions when they try to help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Some critics see teachers’ unions as trying to have it both ways: reluctant to return to classrooms, but also resistant in some districts to providing a full day of remote school via tools like live video — the kind of interactive, online instruction that many parents say their children need after watching them flounder in the spring."

Part of the problem is that a lot of teachers have kids themselves- how can they provide a full day instruction and take care of them at the same time? It's not like they can afford a nanny on a treacher salary.

the same way many of the parents of thier kids are doing it. I am in luve zoom meetings much of the day and cant afford a sitter on my salary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Some critics see teachers’ unions as trying to have it both ways: reluctant to return to classrooms, but also resistant in some districts to providing a full day of remote school via tools like live video — the kind of interactive, online instruction that many parents say their children need after watching them flounder in the spring."

Part of the problem is that a lot of teachers have kids themselves- how can they provide a full day instruction and take care of them at the same time? It's not like they can afford a nanny on a treacher salary.

the same way many of the parents of thier kids are doing it. I am in luve zoom meetings much of the day and cant afford a sitter on my salary.

i do t get to opt out of my live meetings either just because my kids are around.

[Anonymous]

Op here. This thread makes me sad.

Look, no one wants to be unsafe and most people would prefer to their jobs the old way. But we can’t do our jobs the old way. So give that we have to make the best of things, how do you want dL to go? What do you need to be successful.

I really wanted to be positive but if these are really teachers posting here you are really not prepared or willing to do what so many of us that still expect a paycheck have been doing for months. Either trying to do our jobs while our kids need supervision, including live meetings, and working harder than before because it is hard to get some things done at home. And training ourselves on how to do things online in new ways. I get that DL is the only safe option. But I can’t believe that you aren’t over whining about how hard it will be. Yes it is. It is really hard for all of us. Get over your zoom look and the fact that your kids will be wandering around alone eating too much sugar sometimes while you struggle to do your job. If you want to keep your job you have to put in the same if not more hours now. No one likes this new way, no one is winning, no one is trying personally to make your life miserable. It sucks for us all.

Ugh!!! And please, stop yelling at us to be better parents so long as you refuse to hold up your end of the bargain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Some critics see teachers’ unions as trying to have it both ways: reluctant to return to classrooms, but also resistant in some districts to providing a full day of remote school via tools like live video — the kind of interactive, online instruction that many parents say their children need after watching them flounder in the spring."

Part of the problem is that a lot of teachers have kids themselves- how can they provide a full day instruction and take care of them at the same time? It's not like they can afford a nanny on a treacher salary.

Okay. So what do you suggest they do in order to earn their paycheck? Again, this thread is looking for suggestions on what teachers DO want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Some critics see teachers’ unions as trying to have it both ways: reluctant to return to classrooms, but also resistant in some districts to providing a full day of remote school via tools like live video — the kind of interactive, online instruction that many parents say their children need after watching them flounder in the spring."

Part of the problem is that a lot of teachers have kids themselves- how can they provide a full day instruction and take care of them at the same time? It's not like they can afford a nanny on a treacher salary.

Many of us are juggling our kids while working full-time (in my case, more hours than ever)... and when school was in session in the spring, ALSO helping my very young kids with their DL.

They are going to have to figure it out, like everyone else has been forced to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here. This thread makes me sad.

Look, no one wants to be unsafe and most people would prefer to their jobs the old way. But we can’t do our jobs the old way. So give that we have to make the best of things, how do you want dL to go? What do you need to be successful.

I really wanted to be positive but if these are really teachers posting here you are really not prepared or willing to do what so many of us that still expect a paycheck have been doing for months. Either trying to do our jobs while our kids need supervision, including live meetings, and working harder than before because it is hard to get some things done at home. And training ourselves on how to do things online in new ways. I get that DL is the only safe option. But I can’t believe that you aren’t over whining about how hard it will be. Yes it is. It is really hard for all of us. Get over your zoom look and the fact that your kids will be wandering around alone eating too much sugar sometimes while you struggle to do your job. If you want to keep your job you have to put in the same if not more hours now. No one likes this new way, no one is winning, no one is trying personally to make your life miserable. It sucks for us all.

Ugh!!! And please, stop yelling at us to be better parents so long as you refuse to hold up your end of the bargain.

I wrote what I wanted in response to your original question. I did not complain, but you wrote a snarky response earlier. I don’t know why this thread makes you sad, many teachers have responded what they want but you are choosing to ignore them. So I’ll try again.

I want in person learning. I never wanted all virtual and yes I was clear with the union about that. But I was in the minority. So I would like:

DL using an A/B schedule of 6 classes. So three 90 minute classes a day with a break for lunch (this is HS). I would grade HW like always, completion as 5% of their grade. Assessments would be online as a class in a secure website of some sort. I would make them open note because I can’t prevent cheating anyway. Class would be the usual for me, warm up, new material either as a discovery activity or lecture, then small group practice. Class work they can submit after class. Provide feedback through Canvas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes what I want in DL is 3 hours of instruction and two days set aside for teacher training (we might need more if DL is going to Continue) And hazard pay add to that also please. Ps: prefer Monday and Friday for teacher training please.

Why would you get hazard pay if you don’t have in-person learning?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes what I want in DL is 3 hours of instruction and two days set aside for teacher training (we might need more if DL is going to Continue) And hazard pay add to that also please. Ps: prefer Monday and Friday for teacher training please.

Why would you get hazard pay if you don’t have in-person learning?

She also wants a pony.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. This thread makes me sad.

Look, no one wants to be unsafe and most people would prefer to their jobs the old way. But we can’t do our jobs the old way. So give that we have to make the best of things, how do you want dL to go? What do you need to be successful.

I really wanted to be positive but if these are really teachers posting here you are really not prepared or willing to do what so many of us that still expect a paycheck have been doing for months. Either trying to do our jobs while our kids need supervision, including live meetings, and working harder than before because it is hard to get some things done at home. And training ourselves on how to do things online in new ways. I get that DL is the only safe option. But I can’t believe that you aren’t over whining about how hard it will be. Yes it is. It is really hard for all of us. Get over your zoom look and the fact that your kids will be wandering around alone eating too much sugar sometimes while you struggle to do your job. If you want to keep your job you have to put in the same if not more hours now. No one likes this new way, no one is winning, no one is trying personally to make your life miserable. It sucks for us all.

Ugh!!! And please, stop yelling at us to be better parents so long as you refuse to hold up your end of the bargain.

I wrote what I wanted in response to your original question. I did not complain, but you wrote a snarky response earlier. I don’t know why this thread makes you sad, many teachers have responded what they want but you are choosing to ignore them. So I’ll try again.

I want in person learning. I never wanted all virtual and yes I was clear with the union about that. But I was in the minority. So I would like:

DL using an A/B schedule of 6 classes. So three 90 minute classes a day with a break for lunch (this is HS). I would grade HW like always, completion as 5% of their grade. Assessments would be online as a class in a secure website of some sort. I would make them open note because I can’t prevent cheating anyway. Class would be the usual for me, warm up, new material either as a discovery activity or lecture, then small group practice. Class work they can submit after class. Provide feedback through Canvas.

Op here. Thank you! I agree - this is reasonable. I understand - I want to go to work but I can’t. Anyhow if there are ways parents can advocate that you can get the programs you need and schedules you want to do this teaching I am definitely all ears.

I am sad that there were many posts just complaining how they wanted life to be different than it is. I want that too but it isn’t really a fruitful discussion. Thanks for sharing you constructive suggestions. I’m sorry if I missed your earlier comments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Some critics see teachers’ unions as trying to have it both ways: reluctant to return to classrooms, but also resistant in some districts to providing a full day of remote school via tools like live video — the kind of interactive, online instruction that many parents say their children need after watching them flounder in the spring."

Part of the problem is that a lot of teachers have kids themselves- how can they provide a full day instruction and take care of them at the same time? It's not like they can afford a nanny on a treacher salary.

Many of us are juggling our kids while working full-time (in my case, more hours than ever)... and when school was in session in the spring, ALSO helping my very young kids with their DL.

They are going to have to figure it out, like everyone else has been forced to do.

I remember not too long ago when DCUM discussed in-person vs DL, teachers repeatedly berated parents when raising the child care concern. "You should not have had kids if you can't care for them," " you must be a bad parent, " "you must hate your kids" etc.