DA Girls Cup Groups/Schedule

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Anonymous wrote:And the strokefest continues......

Yes, information is a strokefest.

Bitter much?

There is zero information of these threads. ZERO.

It's all crap talking. Adults living vicariously through the reputation of their kids club.

I suggest you read the Socal forum if you want see how a soccer thread should look like.

Real

Well considering the DA Girls Cup only has one club in the top bracket there really is nothing to discuss which is why the thread is being called a stroke fest. Go and talk with your sideline about it. The schedule is out. I don't really know what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about how FCV will do, well their general performance in the playoffs are any indication, half the FCV teams will not escape their own group stage. FCV does fine in a weak conference but they struggle to win against other conference top teams.

The teams in stronger conferences face real competition on a regular basis. FCV dominates a very weak DA conference so they have to adjust when they face strong teams. It is one thing to beat Arlington or MU/Spirit into submission, it's another thing to go against real powerhouses.

So your solution is to bash FCV for being the best option in the area? Or that FCV families should leave and join Loudoun or one of the other weak ECNL teams? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

I think all folks are saying is don’t expect great results in the DA Cup. That isn’t bashing FCV just stating facts regarding the reality of our diluted region. This isn’t five years ago anymore.

For FCV? I think they'll do just fine.

It was previously stated that HALF of FCV’s teams would not escape group stage. That is a fair estimate. And half probably is “just fine”. But it does paint a stark contrast between FCV’s Conference success vs out of conference.

Only 8 teams make it out of their group at finals. Does that mean there are only 8 quality teams in the country at each age group?

And those saying clubs aren't bashed are intentionally blind - this board is all about bashing.

Yes, only 8 teams will qualify out of the nation from group stage.

[Anonymous]

The real question is: Why did USSF implement this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the strokefest continues......

Yes, information is a strokefest.

Bitter much?

There is zero information of these threads. ZERO.

It's all crap talking. Adults living vicariously through the reputation of their kids club.

I suggest you read the Socal forum if you want see how a soccer thread should look like.

Real

Well considering the DA Girls Cup only has one club in the top bracket there really is nothing to discuss which is why the thread is being called a stroke fest. Go and talk with your sideline about it. The schedule is out. I don't really know what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about how FCV will do, well their general performance in the playoffs are any indication, half the FCV teams will not escape their own group stage. FCV does fine in a weak conference but they struggle to win against other conference top teams.

The teams in stronger conferences face real competition on a regular basis. FCV dominates a very weak DA conference so they have to adjust when they face strong teams. It is one thing to beat Arlington or MU/Spirit into submission, it's another thing to go against real powerhouses.

So your solution is to bash FCV for being the best option in the area? Or that FCV families should leave and join Loudoun or one of the other weak ECNL teams? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

I think all folks are saying is don’t expect great results in the DA Cup. That isn’t bashing FCV just stating facts regarding the reality of our diluted region. This isn’t five years ago anymore.

For FCV? I think they'll do just fine.

It was previously stated that HALF of FCV’s teams would not escape group stage. That is a fair estimate. And half probably is “just fine”. But it does paint a stark contrast between FCV’s Conference success vs out of conference.

Only 8 teams make it out of their group at finals. Does that mean there are only 8 quality teams in the country at each age group?

And those saying clubs aren't bashed are intentionally blind - this board is all about bashing.

Yes, only 8 teams will qualify out of the nation from group stage.

All teams in the red flight are guaranteed advancement to that second stage – the 32-team Winter Cup. Seven groups of four teams and two groups of three teams will compete in the blue flight. The winners of each four-team blue flight group will advance to the Winter Cup, while the two three-team group winners will play a knockout playoff game for the final Winter Cup berth.

The eight group winners from Winter Cup will advance to the Spring Cup from April 29 – May 4. There, they will contest a knockout-style bracket for the DA Cup championship. All other teams will play in brackets to determine the final DA Cup rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real question is: Why did USSF implement this?

I don't know for sure, but heard it was to match up top clubs at the showcases.

Maybe the cup part was for bragging rights. Don't know.

I like the idea. Doesn't change really from previous years except matches up teams based on performance at showcases and eventually gets to 1 team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the strokefest continues......

Yes, information is a strokefest.

Bitter much?

There is zero information of these threads. ZERO.

It's all crap talking. Adults living vicariously through the reputation of their kids club.

I suggest you read the Socal forum if you want see how a soccer thread should look like.

Real

Well considering the DA Girls Cup only has one club in the top bracket there really is nothing to discuss which is why the thread is being called a stroke fest. Go and talk with your sideline about it. The schedule is out. I don't really know what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about how FCV will do, well their general performance in the playoffs are any indication, half the FCV teams will not escape their own group stage. FCV does fine in a weak conference but they struggle to win against other conference top teams.

The teams in stronger conferences face real competition on a regular basis. FCV dominates a very weak DA conference so they have to adjust when they face strong teams. It is one thing to beat Arlington or MU/Spirit into submission, it's another thing to go against real powerhouses.

So your solution is to bash FCV for being the best option in the area? Or that FCV families should leave and join Loudoun or one of the other weak ECNL teams? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

I think all folks are saying is don’t expect great results in the DA Cup. That isn’t bashing FCV just stating facts regarding the reality of our diluted region. This isn’t five years ago anymore.

For FCV? I think they'll do just fine.

It was previously stated that HALF of FCV’s teams would not escape group stage. That is a fair estimate. And half probably is “just fine”. But it does paint a stark contrast between FCV’s Conference success vs out of conference.

Only 8 teams make it out of their group at finals. Does that mean there are only 8 quality teams in the country at each age group?

And those saying clubs aren't bashed are intentionally blind - this board is all about bashing.

Yes, only 8 teams will qualify out of the nation from group stage.

All teams in the red flight are guaranteed advancement to that second stage – the 32-team Winter Cup. Seven groups of four teams and two groups of three teams will compete in the blue flight. The winners of each four-team blue flight group will advance to the Winter Cup, while the two three-team group winners will play a knockout playoff game for the final Winter Cup berth.

The eight group winners from Winter Cup will advance to the Spring Cup from April 29 – May 4. There, they will contest a knockout-style bracket for the DA Cup championship. All other teams will play in brackets to determine the final DA Cup rankings.

The 8 teams advance to the Spring showcase. How many of FCV's teams will be among the 8 in the Spring showcase?

Two, Two is the number of teams FCV will put in the Spring showcase. Of those two advanced teams, ZERO is the number that will win the DA Cup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real question is: Why did USSF implement this?

I don't know for sure, but heard it was to match up top clubs at the showcases.

Maybe the cup part was for bragging rights. Don't know.

I like the idea. Doesn't change really from previous years except matches up teams based on performance at showcases and eventually gets to 1 team.

But showcases counted towards standings and were already tiered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the strokefest continues......

Yes, information is a strokefest.

Bitter much?

There is zero information of these threads. ZERO.

It's all crap talking. Adults living vicariously through the reputation of their kids club.

I suggest you read the Socal forum if you want see how a soccer thread should look like.

Real

Well considering the DA Girls Cup only has one club in the top bracket there really is nothing to discuss which is why the thread is being called a stroke fest. Go and talk with your sideline about it. The schedule is out. I don't really know what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about how FCV will do, well their general performance in the playoffs are any indication, half the FCV teams will not escape their own group stage. FCV does fine in a weak conference but they struggle to win against other conference top teams.

The teams in stronger conferences face real competition on a regular basis. FCV dominates a very weak DA conference so they have to adjust when they face strong teams. It is one thing to beat Arlington or MU/Spirit into submission, it's another thing to go against real powerhouses.

So your solution is to bash FCV for being the best option in the area? Or that FCV families should leave and join Loudoun or one of the other weak ECNL teams? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

I think all folks are saying is don’t expect great results in the DA Cup. That isn’t bashing FCV just stating facts regarding the reality of our diluted region. This isn’t five years ago anymore.

For FCV? I think they'll do just fine.

It was previously stated that HALF of FCV’s teams would not escape group stage. That is a fair estimate. And half probably is “just fine”. But it does paint a stark contrast between FCV’s Conference success vs out of conference.

Only 8 teams make it out of their group at finals. Does that mean there are only 8 quality teams in the country at each age group?

And those saying clubs aren't bashed are intentionally blind - this board is all about bashing.

Yes, only 8 teams will qualify out of the nation from group stage.

All teams in the red flight are guaranteed advancement to that second stage – the 32-team Winter Cup. Seven groups of four teams and two groups of three teams will compete in the blue flight. The winners of each four-team blue flight group will advance to the Winter Cup, while the two three-team group winners will play a knockout playoff game for the final Winter Cup berth.

The eight group winners from Winter Cup will advance to the Spring Cup from April 29 – May 4. There, they will contest a knockout-style bracket for the DA Cup championship. All other teams will play in brackets to determine the final DA Cup rankings.

The 8 teams advance to the Spring showcase. How many of FCV's teams will be among the 8 in the Spring showcase?

Two, Two is the number of teams FCV will put in the Spring showcase. Of those two advanced teams, ZERO is the number that will win the DA Cup.

Yes, 8 teams advance from the Winter showcase, not group stage as stated.

I think 2 for sure will qualify out of winter showcase, maybe a 3rd.

As for the Spring, that's why they play the games. I hope a DMV area team can take home a Cup championship. It would be good for our area I think.

[Anonymous]

For all of this emphasis on development, US soccer sure has a lot of competitions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real question is: Why did USSF implement this?

I don't know for sure, but heard it was to match up top clubs at the showcases.

Maybe the cup part was for bragging rights. Don't know.

I like the idea. Doesn't change really from previous years except matches up teams based on performance at showcases and eventually gets to 1 team.

But showcases counted towards standings and were already tiered.

Maybe, but some of he match-ups were not very good IMO. I think this will create match ups based on how a team plays. Similar, but different.

And yes, they counted toward overall record and ranking, but that matters mostly in conference IMO and the conference records were not close with DMV area teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real question is: Why did USSF implement this?

I don't know for sure, but heard it was to match up top clubs at the showcases.

Maybe the cup part was for bragging rights. Don't know.

I like the idea. Doesn't change really from previous years except matches up teams based on performance at showcases and eventually gets to 1 team.

They already paired teams competitively in the showcases. This is just to give clubs more competitive matches in season and a way to roll that into incentive in the showcase.

It may have an effect on determining a tier of pyramid clubs where talent might be concentrated. This may help out in diluted areas but without an honest promotion/relegation into this tier it will do more harm to the overall league by intentionally weakening 2/3's of its member clubs.

This divide will only worsen over time and make league conference matches worthless outside of the DA Cup matches. Having the talent concentrated in 25 or so clubs seems like a good idea until those are the only clubs worth playing anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:For all of this emphasis on development, US soccer sure has a lot of competitions

And this is a point that is also worth noting.

Such a system makes more sense at U17-U18/19 but less so for U15 and U16.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of this emphasis on development, US soccer sure has a lot of competitions

And this is a point that is also worth noting.

Such a system makes more sense at U17-U18/19 but less so for U15 and U16.

I'm curious, why does better competition OR competition cup like they are doing make more sense at U17-U18/19 than at the U15 & U16 age groups?

Do you think that U15 & U16 don't have the competitive drive of the older girls?

Do you think it would hurt development?

Not poking, asking serious questions.

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Not poking LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all of this emphasis on development, US soccer sure has a lot of competitions

And this is a point that is also worth noting.

Such a system makes more sense at U17-U18/19 but less so for U15 and U16.

I'm curious, why does better competition OR competition cup like they are doing make more sense at U17-U18/19 than at the U15 & U16 age groups?

Do you think that U15 & U16 don't have the competitive drive of the older girls?

Do you think it would hurt development?

Not poking, asking serious questions.

Since DA starts at U14 it stands to reason that the full competitive phase should start when the full sub rules and 90 minute games are used.

U15 and U16 years should be used more for development than the drive to win at all cost. U16 is still a transition year to the full 90 minute game. U15 is a transition year to the no return sub rule.

By U17 girls are mostly full grown a

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all of this emphasis on development, US soccer sure has a lot of competitions

And this is a point that is also worth noting.

Such a system makes more sense at U17-U18/19 but less so for U15 and U16.

I'm curious, why does better competition OR competition cup like they are doing make more sense at U17-U18/19 than at the U15 & U16 age groups?

Do you think that U15 & U16 don't have the competitive drive of the older girls?

Do you think it would hurt development?

Not poking, asking serious questions.

Since DA starts at U14 it stands to reason that the full competitive phase should start when the full sub rules and 90 minute games are used.

U15 and U16 years should be used more for development than the drive to win at all cost. U16 is still a transition year to the full 90 minute game. U15 is a transition year to the no return sub rule.

By U17 girls are mostly full grown a

I've seen development pathways from some clubs that have U15 at the end of the 'development' years and U16 and up as competition. But USSF defines U15 and up as 'Advanced'. So I can see why they started at U15.

I'm still not seeing a drawback to a cup type of format for clubs for U15 or U16 age groups. No negatives IMO.

But thanks for the info.