ICE Raids

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?

98% of refugee claims are bogus.
Hence the ice raids.

I guess the climate alarmists are right.
We’re about to see a lot more ice in dc and the suburbs!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?


DP

ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?


DP

ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?


Many in Latin America are escaping gang violence. Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador - some of the highest murder rates in the world

Again, please provide proof and evidence that those seeking asylum in the US are economic migrants. You’ve provide NOTHING except half-ass assumptions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?


DP

ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?


Many in Latin America are escaping gang violence. Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador - some of the highest murder rates in the world

Again, please provide proof and evidence that those seeking asylum in the US are economic migrants. You’ve provide NOTHING except half-ass assumptions.


Dp. Were you one of the posters who claimed those gangs originated in the US? If so, wouldn't it be a good idea to get a hold of gang violence in the US first before making the claim we can keep them safer here than there?

It doesn't matter why I think people should follow the law when Members of Congress, and elected leaders are flauting the law by supporting open borders.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?


DP

ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?


Many in Latin America are escaping gang violence. Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador - some of the highest murder rates in the world

Again, please provide proof and evidence that those seeking asylum in the US are economic migrants. You’ve provide NOTHING except half-ass assumptions.


DP: Last time I checked, there is at least one huge country between ours and any of those countries.

And they speak the same language!

Any actual refugee could simply stay in Mexico. The reason they come to the US is economic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?


DP

ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?


Many in Latin America are escaping gang violence. Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador - some of the highest murder rates in the world

Again, please provide proof and evidence that those seeking asylum in the US are economic migrants. You’ve provide NOTHING except half-ass assumptions.


DP: Last time I checked, there is at least one huge country between ours and any of those countries.

And they speak the same language!

Any actual refugee could simply stay in Mexico. The reason they come to the US is economic.


Oh, and it is Colombia, funny guy, not Columbia.

Oh, and no, they are not coming from Colombia, ignorant fool.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.

How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?


DP

ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?


Many in Latin America are escaping gang violence. Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador - some of the highest murder rates in the world

Again, please provide proof and evidence that those seeking asylum in the US are economic migrants. You’ve provide NOTHING except half-ass assumptions.


Honestly, who cares? There are desperate people all over the world. We can't even take care of our own citizens.....crappy education, poor healthcare, food instability, economic inequality, etc. Why aren't people concerned about these problems and yet they're panicked about a bunch of illegal immigrants....makes no sense whatsoever.
Anonymous
Because in many cases, ICE is acting without warrants or valid removal orders signed by Judges. And I care about due process. For everyone.

Because they are not targeting immigrants with criminal convictions, or the most dangerous, or the ones who can be removed the most efficiently. They are specifically targeting newly arrived and mixed status family units. Some of whom never had a hearing, because the government failed to provide proper notice. So they will be locked up... where?... while they wait for a hearing. And will they “lose” the parents when they are separated from the kids?

Because many of the families targeted are mixed status. So mom and/or dad will be deported, but the legal parent (if there is one) and American citizen kids will stay. And mom or dad with a legal status who lost a breadwinner goes on public assistance. The kids lose a parent or parents. If there is no parent, HHS or the foster care system get the kids— and they are full. This all costs a lot of money. Foster care. HHS shelters. It makes no financial sense to prioritize self supporting families.

It is cheaper to have parents care for their own kids. And better for American citizen kids, who will grow up and be too traumatized to function. It is better for kids to have two earner families in lower income brackets. illegal citizen Mom working under the table as a house cleaner who never committed a crime with a green card spouse and American citizen kids isn’t a threat.

The Trump Admin is intentionally hurting families and kids kids— including American citizens— to prove a point or serve as deterrence. But, it’s creating a humanitarian crisis and the short term and long term costs are high.

Since ICE can’t deport everyone here illegally, I’d prefer they start with people who are dangerous, have criminal records, and/or have removal orders signed by Judges. I’d prefer they keep families together and give American citizen kids the best possible shot at life. I’d prefer not to pay to House families where the parents have jobs and are self supporting when not in custody. I’d prefer children not be isolated and sexually abuse. Or overcrowded to the point diseases are spreading rapidly.

The only reason to target a newly arrived family who has not gone through the process or a mixed status family with jobs and no criminal records is to be cruel. And being cruel has not proven to be effective as a deterrent. But it seems to be a feature, AP not a bug, in this Admin.
Anonymous
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-furious-that-mar-a-lago-is-left-with-no-employees-after-ice-raid

PALM BEACH, Florida (The Borowitz Report)—Donald Trump was reportedly “hopping mad” on Saturday after a surprise ice raid left his Mar-a-Lago retreat with no employees.

The ice agents conducting the pre-dawn raid swept through the opulent Palm Beach club and left guests with no one to prepare their food, wash their dishes, or clean their rooms.

When informed of the news, a furious Trump reportedly barked at his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and his sons Eric and Donald, Jr., ordering them to hurry to Palm Beach and wait on tables.

A spokesman for Mar-a-Lago called the situation “dire,” warning that the resort had lost almost as many staff members as the White House.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-furious-that-mar-a-lago-is-left-with-no-employees-after-ice-raid

PALM BEACH, Florida (The Borowitz Report)—Donald Trump was reportedly “hopping mad” on Saturday after a surprise ice raid left his Mar-a-Lago retreat with no employees.

The ice agents conducting the pre-dawn raid swept through the opulent Palm Beach club and left guests with no one to prepare their food, wash their dishes, or clean their rooms.

When informed of the news, a furious Trump reportedly barked at his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and his sons Eric and Donald, Jr., ordering them to hurry to Palm Beach and wait on tables.

A spokesman for Mar-a-Lago called the situation “dire,” warning that the resort had lost almost as many staff members as the White House.


You do realize this is satire, right?
Anonymous
Much ado about nothing. Reminds me of the scene in Honorable Schoolboy where Jack Brotherhood turns to the assembled CIA/MI6 agents and says, "Relax. We did not lose any joes, because we never had any joes. Pym is a spy, but Magnus is not our spy."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-furious-that-mar-a-lago-is-left-with-no-employees-after-ice-raid

PALM BEACH, Florida (The Borowitz Report)—Donald Trump was reportedly “hopping mad” on Saturday after a surprise ice raid left his Mar-a-Lago retreat with no employees.

The ice agents conducting the pre-dawn raid swept through the opulent Palm Beach club and left guests with no one to prepare their food, wash their dishes, or clean their rooms.

When informed of the news, a furious Trump reportedly barked at his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and his sons Eric and Donald, Jr., ordering them to hurry to Palm Beach and wait on tables.

A spokesman for Mar-a-Lago called the situation “dire,” warning that the resort had lost almost as many staff members as the White House.


That’s a column written by a COMEDIAN, and is an attempt at humor.

And you people have the nerve to blame RUSSIANS for disinformation. And the red state rubes for falling for it. Ugh
Anonymous
I guess this happened after the "vigils" held for illegal aliens.
Tried to find the thread on that - it seems to have disappeared. Hm.


A man armed with a rifle and throwing incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early Saturday morning died after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.
The Tacoma Police Department said the officers responded about 4 a.m. to the privately run Tacoma Northwest Detention Center, a U.S. Department of Homeland Security detention facility that holds migrants pending deportation proceedings. The detention center has also held immigration-seeking parents separated from their children under President Trump's "zero tolerance" policy, an effort meant to deter illegal immigration.
The shooting took place about six hours after a peaceful rally in front of the detention center, police spokeswoman Loretta Cool said. She said another rally was planned for later Saturday, but it would have to be held in a different area because of the investigation into the police shooting.
Police said the man caused a vehicle to catch fire and that he attempted to ignite a large propane tank and set buildings on fire. Police said that besides the rifle, he had a satchel and flares.


https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-tacoma-immigration-jail-shooting-20190713-story.html
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because in many cases, ICE is acting without warrants or valid removal orders signed by Judges. And I care about due process. For everyone.

Because they are not targeting immigrants with criminal convictions, or the most dangerous, or the ones who can be removed the most efficiently. They are specifically targeting newly arrived and mixed status family units. Some of whom never had a hearing, because the government failed to provide proper notice. So they will be locked up... where?... while they wait for a hearing. And will they “lose” the parents when they are separated from the kids?

Because many of the families targeted are mixed status. So mom and/or dad will be deported, but the legal parent (if there is one) and American citizen kids will stay. And mom or dad with a legal status who lost a breadwinner goes on public assistance. The kids lose a parent or parents. If there is no parent, HHS or the foster care system get the kids— and they are full. This all costs a lot of money. Foster care. HHS shelters. It makes no financial sense to prioritize self supporting families.

It is cheaper to have parents care for their own kids. And better for American citizen kids, who will grow up and be too traumatized to function. It is better for kids to have two earner families in lower income brackets. illegal citizen Mom working under the table as a house cleaner who never committed a crime with a green card spouse and American citizen kids isn’t a threat.

The Trump Admin is intentionally hurting families and kids kids— including American citizens— to prove a point or serve as deterrence. But, it’s creating a humanitarian crisis and the short term and long term costs are high.

Since ICE can’t deport everyone here illegally, I’d prefer they start with people who are dangerous, have criminal records, and/or have removal orders signed by Judges. I’d prefer they keep families together and give American citizen kids the best possible shot at life. I’d prefer not to pay to House families where the parents have jobs and are self supporting when not in custody. I’d prefer children not be isolated and sexually abuse. Or overcrowded to the point diseases are spreading rapidly.

The only reason to target a newly arrived family who has not gone through the process or a mixed status family with jobs and no criminal records is to be cruel. And being cruel has not proven to be effective as a deterrent. But it seems to be a feature, AP not a bug, in this Admin.


+1

Signed, dem who has no problem with deporting people who have received due process and have a corresponding deportation order
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