immmigrant haters: do you really want to be like Japan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading threads like this help me understand why we have in excess of 11 million illegal aliens living freely in our country (probably closer to 20 million).

Our liberal friends here fully support illegal immigration. They seem to think it is a positive for our country. Doesn't seem to matter that they use many services for which they never pay and that we have no idea WHO is in our country. Those little inconveniences don't seem to matter. It makes no difference that we read stories about our fellow citizens killed by those in our country illegally. It doesn't matter that the children of illegal aliens use more services at our local schools than others. And, it is just too bad that low-skilled workers suffer in the long run from the presence of illegal aliens.

This is why I will vote for Trump again. He may not be able to do everything he wants to stop the flow of illegals into this country, but at least he is realistic about the issue. And, he is trying. I cannot say the same for the Democratic candidates. Not one of them.

This is where I am also.

Voted for Obama and Hillary but am now D.O.N.E. with the Democrats because of this very issue.

Me too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading threads like this help me understand why we have in excess of 11 million illegal aliens living freely in our country (probably closer to 20 million).

Our liberal friends here fully support illegal immigration. They seem to think it is a positive for our country. Doesn't seem to matter that they use many services for which they never pay and that we have no idea WHO is in our country. Those little inconveniences don't seem to matter. It makes no difference that we read stories about our fellow citizens killed by those in our country illegally. It doesn't matter that the children of illegal aliens use more services at our local schools than others. And, it is just too bad that low-skilled workers suffer in the long run from the presence of illegal aliens.

This is why I will vote for Trump again. He may not be able to do everything he wants to stop the flow of illegals into this country, but at least he is realistic about the issue. And, he is trying. I cannot say the same for the Democratic candidates. Not one of them.

This is where I am also.

Voted for Obama and Hillary but am now D.O.N.E. with the Democrats because of this very issue.

you are a liar and a troll, or very dumb.

I was just thinking exactly the same thing about you. Imagine that!
-DP

[Anonymous]

Hi, I lived in Japan for three years recently. Working in Japan sucks. Even for entry level jobs there is loads of competition and a required commitment to the company. Automation and high skilled workforce is required there. The only places that need factories are low skilled factories in the countryside. Those workers, typically From the Philippines only have 3year visas. After three years Japanese companies are required to increase benefits, so almost all entry level labor has contracts that expire after three years. The nice thing about Japanes firms is that they train you, often provide housing perks, job commitment. A lot of this is about Japanese culture, but a lot is about managing employees at all times. Anyways, it is not very comparable to what we do here in the U.S in terms of labor. Yes Japan needs healthcare aides for the elderly, but multigenerational housing is quite common. Especially in the countryside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“the Cato institute a zillion times to show that illegal immigrants don't hurt the economy, so I'm not sure why you are so focused on "liberals"? ”

? not PP but come on. The economy “needs low skill low wage” workers so badly? Then why are we spending so much time trying to educate our kids well - the economy “needs” them!!
Employers will always look for low wage and low benefit work. And in SOME cases like crop picking I think it is accurate that it is impossible at virtually any price to get Americans to do those jobs. But plenty of other jobs now highly filled by illegals used to be filled by Americans willing to work for a certain level of wage and hours/benefits combo.

Sure the overall economy benefits from them - that does not mean workers do.

the research shows wages are not depressed by legal/illegal immigrants.

and yes, we need low-skill workers. don't you go to the grocery store, hospital, gas station, etc?

if you care that much about workers, the answer is to legalize immigration and strengthen unions.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216

Sure I go to those places. Where I live deep in the Nova burbs most of those workers are American. Same for my hometown in PA. It is not the case that ONLY immigrants - amdbillehal ones at that - can fill those jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading threads like this help me understand why we have in excess of 11 million illegal aliens living freely in our country (probably closer to 20 million).

Our liberal friends here fully support illegal immigration. They seem to think it is a positive for our country. Doesn't seem to matter that they use many services for which they never pay and that we have no idea WHO is in our country. Those little inconveniences don't seem to matter. It makes no difference that we read stories about our fellow citizens killed by those in our country illegally. It doesn't matter that the children of illegal aliens use more services at our local schools than others. And, it is just too bad that low-skilled workers suffer in the long run from the presence of illegal aliens.

This is why I will vote for Trump again. He may not be able to do everything he wants to stop the flow of illegals into this country, but at least he is realistic about the issue. And, he is trying. I cannot say the same for the Democratic candidates. Not one of them.

This is where I am also.

Voted for Obama and Hillary but am now D.O.N.E. with the Democrats because of this very issue.

Me too!

Well said!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading threads like this help me understand why we have in excess of 11 million illegal aliens living freely in our country (probably closer to 20 million).

Our liberal friends here fully support illegal immigration. They seem to think it is a positive for our country. Doesn't seem to matter that they use many services for which they never pay and that we have no idea WHO is in our country. Those little inconveniences don't seem to matter. It makes no difference that we read stories about our fellow citizens killed by those in our country illegally. It doesn't matter that the children of illegal aliens use more services at our local schools than others. And, it is just too bad that low-skilled workers suffer in the long run from the presence of illegal aliens.

This is why I will vote for Trump again. He may not be able to do everything he wants to stop the flow of illegals into this country, but at least he is realistic about the issue. And, he is trying. I cannot say the same for the Democratic candidates. Not one of them.

I mean, I've cited those well known commies the Cato institute a zillion times to show that illegal immigrants don't hurt the economy, so I'm not sure why you are so focused on "liberals"? I've attempted to show that the policy should be to legalize immigration, because our economy needs immigrants.

Anyway, I will mark you down for "Yes, I would like a demographic collapse like Japan, and to be cared for by a robot in my old age."

DP. You sound idiotic. The difference between the US and Japan is that the US has FULLY supported legal immigration - for decades. We have enormous LEGAL immigrant communities in this country. There is no need to open the floodgates to illegal immigrants. Japan is in an entirely different situation. They have ALWAYS been against any immigration to their country, period. Surely you can see the difference? If not, I worry for you.

No, we have not adequately supported legal immigration - NOBODY on either side thinks that. Stop clutching your pearls, and read ALL the research I have posted. We need immigrants. The answer is not to foam at the mouth about "illegals" but rather to regularize immigration.

[Anonymous]

Well said. The US continues to accept about 1 million legal immigrants every year, and these numbers have continued under Trump. There is no such large scale legal immigration to Japan.

I do think we could increase legal immigration , say, to 1.5 million people a year, but no-one seems to want to discuss this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well said. The US continues to accept about 1 million legal immigrants every year, and these numbers have continued under Trump. There is no such large scale legal immigration to Japan.

I do think we could increase legal immigration , say, to 1.5 million people a year, but no-one seems to want to discuss this.

OP here. The Democrats want to discuss this. Despite the libel that they want open borders, what their platform ACTUALLY calls for is regularlizing immigration in a way that serves the needs of the economy. Whether that is 500,000 a year or more or less, I don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is opposed to immigration.

But more than half the country is flatly opposed to ILLEGAL immigration.


Stop trying to combine the two into a blanket argument. They are as different as apples and hammers.

+ a million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading threads like this help me understand why we have in excess of 11 million illegal aliens living freely in our country (probably closer to 20 million).

Our liberal friends here fully support illegal immigration. They seem to think it is a positive for our country. Doesn't seem to matter that they use many services for which they never pay and that we have no idea WHO is in our country. Those little inconveniences don't seem to matter. It makes no difference that we read stories about our fellow citizens killed by those in our country illegally. It doesn't matter that the children of illegal aliens use more services at our local schools than others. And, it is just too bad that low-skilled workers suffer in the long run from the presence of illegal aliens.

This is why I will vote for Trump again. He may not be able to do everything he wants to stop the flow of illegals into this country, but at least he is realistic about the issue. And, he is trying. I cannot say the same for the Democratic candidates. Not one of them.

I mean, I've cited those well known commies the Cato institute a zillion times to show that illegal immigrants don't hurt the economy, so I'm not sure why you are so focused on "liberals"? I've attempted to show that the policy should be to legalize immigration, because our economy needs immigrants.

Anyway, I will mark you down for "Yes, I would like a demographic collapse like Japan, and to be cared for by a robot in my old age."

DP. You sound idiotic. The difference between the US and Japan is that the US has FULLY supported legal immigration - for decades. We have enormous LEGAL immigrant communities in this country. There is no need to open the floodgates to illegal immigrants. Japan is in an entirely different situation. They have ALWAYS been against any immigration to their country, period. Surely you can see the difference? If not, I worry for you.

No, we have not adequately supported legal immigration - NOBODY on either side thinks that. Stop clutching your pearls, and read ALL the research I have posted. We need immigrants. The answer is not to foam at the mouth about "illegals" but rather to regularize immigration.

Speaking of pearl-clutching... you're the one foaming at the mouth about "regularizing (ILLEGAL) immigration." The rest of us are pointing out that the US has done a fine job of bringing legal immigrants into this country, and is continuing to do so. Not sure where you've been if you actually think people on "both sides" agree with you. You're wrong. Of course we "need" immigrants - legal, well-educated ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well said. The US continues to accept about 1 million legal immigrants every year, and these numbers have continued under Trump. There is no such large scale legal immigration to Japan.

I do think we could increase legal immigration , say, to 1.5 million people a year, but no-one seems to want to discuss this.

Who were you responding to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading threads like this help me understand why we have in excess of 11 million illegal aliens living freely in our country (probably closer to 20 million).

Our liberal friends here fully support illegal immigration. They seem to think it is a positive for our country. Doesn't seem to matter that they use many services for which they never pay and that we have no idea WHO is in our country. Those little inconveniences don't seem to matter. It makes no difference that we read stories about our fellow citizens killed by those in our country illegally. It doesn't matter that the children of illegal aliens use more services at our local schools than others. And, it is just too bad that low-skilled workers suffer in the long run from the presence of illegal aliens.

This is why I will vote for Trump again. He may not be able to do everything he wants to stop the flow of illegals into this country, but at least he is realistic about the issue. And, he is trying. I cannot say the same for the Democratic candidates. Not one of them.

I mean, I've cited those well known commies the Cato institute a zillion times to show that illegal immigrants don't hurt the economy, so I'm not sure why you are so focused on "liberals"? I've attempted to show that the policy should be to legalize immigration, because our economy needs immigrants.

Anyway, I will mark you down for "Yes, I would like a demographic collapse like Japan, and to be cared for by a robot in my old age."

DP. You sound idiotic. The difference between the US and Japan is that the US has FULLY supported legal immigration - for decades. We have enormous LEGAL immigrant communities in this country. There is no need to open the floodgates to illegal immigrants. Japan is in an entirely different situation. They have ALWAYS been against any immigration to their country, period. Surely you can see the difference? If not, I worry for you.

No, we have not adequately supported legal immigration - NOBODY on either side thinks that. Stop clutching your pearls, and read ALL the research I have posted. We need immigrants. The answer is not to foam at the mouth about "illegals" but rather to regularize immigration.

Speaking of pearl-clutching... you're the one foaming at the mouth about "regularizing (ILLEGAL) immigration." The rest of us are pointing out that the US has done a fine job of bringing legal immigrants into this country, and is continuing to do so. Not sure where you've been if you actually think people on "both sides" agree with you. You're wrong. Of course we "need" immigrants - legal, well-educated ones.

Do you have any research showing what would happen to the economy if we deported all illegal immigrants and froze legal immigration at current levels?

It would not be pretty.

All sides know business depends on illegal labor currently. Here are our libertarian friends again: https://reason.com/2018/07/21/the-us-needs-more-immigrants/

the more you rant without engaging with the actual research, the more you demonstrate that you are motivated by animus. or you're just stupid. or both

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well said. The US continues to accept about 1 million legal immigrants every year, and these numbers have continued under Trump. There is no such large scale legal immigration to Japan.

I do think we could increase legal immigration , say, to 1.5 million people a year, but no-one seems to want to discuss this.

OP here. The Democrats want to discuss this. Despite the libel that they want open borders, what their platform ACTUALLY calls for is regularlizing immigration in a way that serves the needs of the economy. Whether that is 500,000 a year or more or less, I don't know.

"What serves the needs of the economy" means different things to different people. There is no need to set up false dilemmas like "let in everyone who wants to" or "be cared for by robots in your old age."

Besides, when you argue for increased inflow of low-skilled migrants, you are basically institutionalizing a perpetual underclass. Businesses love hiring people who work cheaply, have no rights and receive no benefits. I don't know if this is the sort of dependency you want to encourage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Do you have any research showing what would happen to the economy if we deported all illegal immigrants and froze legal immigration at current levels?

It would not be pretty.

All sides know business depends on illegal labor currently. Here are our libertarian friends again: https://reason.com/2018/07/21/the-us-needs-more-immigrants/

the more you rant without engaging with the actual research, the more you demonstrate that you are motivated by animus. or you're just stupid. or both

Research, schmesearch. Surely you know that all studies are commissionable. Few things are easier to manipulate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well said. The US continues to accept about 1 million legal immigrants every year, and these numbers have continued under Trump. There is no such large scale legal immigration to Japan.

I do think we could increase legal immigration , say, to 1.5 million people a year, but no-one seems to want to discuss this.

OP here. The Democrats want to discuss this. Despite the libel that they want open borders, what their platform ACTUALLY calls for is regularlizing immigration in a way that serves the needs of the economy. Whether that is 500,000 a year or more or less, I don't know.

"What serves the needs of the economy" means different things to different people. There is no need to set up false dilemmas like "let in everyone who wants to" or "be cared for by robots in your old age."

Besides, when you argue for increased inflow of low-skilled migrants, you are basically institutionalizing a perpetual underclass. Businesses love hiring people who work cheaply, have no rights and receive no benefits. I don't know if this is the sort of dependency you want to encourage.

Hey, if you want to talk about the well-being of low-wage workers, I know of a couple of great candiates focusing on that (Warren and Sanders).

What creates a perpetual underclass is when the business establishment of a nation knowingly relies on illegal labor, while Republicans further drive immigrants into the shadow and make them even more vulnerable to exploitation. A cynical person could say that is by design ...