Mackenzie Lueck

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents really need to warn their kids about “potential” bad people.
“Everyone is really good inside.” is a very bad way to raise children. No clue how she was raised, but I see too many parents raising their children to trust everyone. Maybe he somehow got her to feel sorry for him. No clue why she thought he was trustworthy, and it was safe to be alone with him.
So many girls are getting raped and taken advantage of. I think most simply don’t tell their parents because it’s too painful.
Of course it’s easier to scream it’s HIS fault, which is ABSOLUTELY true, but your daughter is still the one who gets raped. No parent wants that!!!!!
Tell your daughter not to allow herself to ever be alone and secluded with a boy/man that you don’t know.
Girls are growing up very naive with regard to their personal safety. This has to change. They’re extremely vulnerable during their teens and 20’s, wanting to feel like an adult. Show them how *you* take precautions to protect your safety, and don’t drink and drive. Tell them NOT to drink at all with guys who may turn evil, and take advantage of them.

Who is raising their kids like this? I teach my teen to travel in groups/with a buddy, be aware of her surroundings, stranger danger (especially leering men), etc. I don't think I'm outside of the norm.

Who? A lot of people. Look at how often parents of small children call any child they meet a friend. This drove me nuts as a parent. When you teach them that everyone is a friend at a young age, you are teaching them to not trust thier gut. So traveling in groups only works if they have learned who they can and cannot trust.

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Could someone explain what the SD/SB thing is? I'm so confused. I mean, she is young and she is looking online to connect with older men, that I get. But do we know why? She is willing to have sex for drugs? Or is just a thrill or a dare? I'm just not following.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone explain what the SD/SB thing is? I'm so confused. I mean, she is young and she is looking online to connect with older men, that I get. But do we know why? She is willing to have sex for drugs? Or is just a thrill or a dare? I'm just not following.

Usually it's a bit more of an ongoing relationship between a young woman and an older man with money. Sometimes it might be straight up payment, other times the older man will pay for rent, clothes, jewelry, etc.

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It's sex in exchange for something that the sugar baby values. It's basically prostitution with a cuter label.

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

I feel like this is a consequence of the current “consent culture”. We’ve removed all morality from sex. It used to be sex was part of marriage, essentially with a contract in place. Then it moved to relationships, with the expectation of some form of commitment. Now all that’s required is consent, which is a pretty low bar, and doesn’t really acknowledge that bad things can happen when you have sex with people you don’t really know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

I feel like this is a consequence of the current “consent culture”. We’ve removed all morality from sex. It used to be sex was part of marriage, essentially with a contract in place. Then it moved to relationships, with the expectation of some form of commitment. Now all that’s required is consent, which is a pretty low bar, and doesn’t really acknowledge that bad things can happen when you have sex with people you don’t really know.

This business of hooking up with people that they "meet" online is scary. Mackenzie agreed to meet that man (for the first time?) in a dark park in the middle of the night. He turned out to be a predator who more than likely brutally tortured her for his own sexual pleasure and then murdered her.

He didn't have to snatch her, she offered herself right up to him thinking that she knew what he wanted. Agreeing to meet him alone at a park in the middle night probably indicated to him that she was not a person of value who would be missed - so he could do whatever he wanted to do w/o worrying about being caught.

Drunken frat party or college bar hookups seem so innocent by comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

As a public service you should name the crappy college with amoral students.

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

As a public service you should name the crappy college with amoral students.

Basically any college in a major city would qualify. Especially cities with HCOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

My DD and her friends talk about it the same way that my sister and I talk about winning the lottery. They fantasize that they could have a sugar daddy who won’t actually demand sex in exchange. That doesn’t mean that any of them are really planning on doing it.

However, we are as a society need to work on not de-stigmatizing everything. I have read so many things lately that say there is nothing inherently exploitative about sex work (and how dare we judge it) and pornography.

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Anonymous wrote:i am all about women's empowerment stuff but why do women do these questionable things?

This has nothing to do with women's empowerment. Men do questionable things all the time, like murder people.

People kill each other all the time. Men and women. What a stupid thing to say pp.

The vast majority of killers are men.

define that. is this like saying "the vast majority of children's killers are their own mothers??" how stupid is that??

NP. 2010 homicide stats: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

"Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 90.3 percent were males."

[Anonymous]

I have done the sugar daddy/baby relationship. I am a female. I always let someone know where I am going, as much as I know about the man and when they should expect me to be home. We always meet in a public place first. Then it’s usually their house, hotel, or a car (fancy, I know). It’s a dangerous lifestyle but the thrill and the money was great. It is also VERY addicting. You want more fast cash. You want to be wanted. You want the sex. I feel bad for her but I am not shocked at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I have done the sugar daddy/baby relationship. I am a female. I always let someone know where I am going, as much as I know about the man and when they should expect me to be home. We always meet in a public place first. Then it’s usually their house, hotel, or a car (fancy, I know). It’s a dangerous lifestyle but the thrill and the money was great. It is also VERY addicting. You want more fast cash. You want to be wanted. You want the sex. I feel bad for her but I am not shocked at all.

If you don't mind answering, how old are you? Are you desperate for the money or the whole package? Maybe start an AMA since this forum may not be appropriate given the victims demise.

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Anonymous wrote:I have done the sugar daddy/baby relationship. I am a female. I always let someone know where I am going, as much as I know about the man and when they should expect me to be home. We always meet in a public place first. Then it’s usually their house, hotel, or a car (fancy, I know). It’s a dangerous lifestyle but the thrill and the money was great. It is also VERY addicting. You want more fast cash. You want to be wanted. You want the sex. I feel bad for her but I am not shocked at all.

That's basically being a hooker. Instead of standing on a street corner, you advertise yourself online to strange men who are looking for sex. You might meet at Starbucks but within the hour you are probably somewhere having sex in exchange for cash, drugs, whatever else might be worth it to you.

It's sad and sordid. And very, very dangerous. Mackenzie had a job, a nice family, plenty of friends, she was beautiful, healthy and she was going to be graduating from college soon. Now she's dead, her body mutilated and burned into bits and pieces.... and for what? How much exactly did she think she was going to make by having sex with that guy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have done the sugar daddy/baby relationship. I am a female. I always let someone know where I am going, as much as I know about the man and when they should expect me to be home. We always meet in a public place first. Then it’s usually their house, hotel, or a car (fancy, I know). It’s a dangerous lifestyle but the thrill and the money was great. It is also VERY addicting. You want more fast cash. You want to be wanted. You want the sex. I feel bad for her but I am not shocked at all.

I wish I’d done that years ago. I am an ES teacher with massive student loan debt. I’m 35 & kinda dumpy now, but wish I’d been smart enough to do this 10 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I have done the sugar daddy/baby relationship. I am a female. I always let someone know where I am going, as much as I know about the man and when they should expect me to be home. We always meet in a public place first. Then it’s usually their house, hotel, or a car (fancy, I know). It’s a dangerous lifestyle but the thrill and the money was great. It is also VERY addicting. You want more fast cash. You want to be wanted. You want the sex. I feel bad for her but I am not shocked at all.

I wish I’d done that years ago. I am an ES teacher with massive student loan debt. I’m 35 & kinda dumpy now, but wish I’d been smart enough to do this 10 years ago.

You should have lived at home for the first 2 years, worked PT and gone to community college then transferred to a 4 year university to complete your degree. That would have kept your student loan debt down to a more manageable level.

And, as a side note, if you think that you have to be "hot" to prostitute yourself, think again. I'll never forget the time we took a wrong turn in downtown DC and into an area where there were streetwalkers standing around waiting to get picked up - they all looked pretty rough. I can still see that one woman standing there, dressed only in a cheap 1 piece bathing suit with her flabby mom belly and cellulite bared for all to see. It is a sad, sad life that those sex workers lead.