Fr. James Martin, SJ

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious why OP is asking?

I think Fr. Marin sounds like a nice protestant priest. I don't understand why he is Catholic when he wants to bend Catholic teaching.

Everything he says and writes is 100% consistent with Catholic teaching.

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Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”. Any reasonable listener will conclude that Martin not only hopes that a man may someday marry a man with the Church’s blessing, but that Martin believes “same-sex marriage” to be radically possible under Church teaching and that it is a matter of regret that such Church recognition is not yet available.

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Anonymous wrote:Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”. Any reasonable listener will conclude that Martin not only hopes that a man may someday marry a man with the Church’s blessing, but that Martin believes “same-sex marriage” to be radically possible under Church teaching and that it is a matter of regret that such Church recognition is not yet available.

How can this be seen as anything other than suggesting Church teaching will change and accept this union?

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Anonymous wrote:Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”. Any reasonable listener will conclude that Martin not only hopes that a man may someday marry a man with the Church’s blessing, but that Martin believes “same-sex marriage” to be radically possible under Church teaching and that it is a matter of regret that such Church recognition is not yet available.

I wasn't aware of that, but he does talk about LGBT issues/acceptance a lot.

His magazine came out in favor of the GA and AL abortion laws, in case you were wondering how liberal he is.

Gay men don't need birth control and abortion, so maybe they can't relate.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like Fr Martin is signaling gay sex so not sinful? I always feel like that is the subtext in flashing lights.

What are you talking about?

Some people think that if your message to LGBT Catholics doesn't begin and end with how sinful gay sex is and how they need to be celibate, you are doing it wrong. For a lot of people, sexual morality is central to their creed, which is kind of odd, given how little time Jesus spent talking about sex (compared to how much time he spent talking about showing mercy, love, and compassion to all, especially the poor, the oppressed, the prisoner, and the outcast). So if you're doing LGBT "outreach," your job is apparently to remind them, as if they didn't already know, that the Church says that if they have sex, it's a sin. Which is certainly not how people think that the Church ought to do outreach to divorced people, for example, or unmarried people--let alone those who commit non-sexual sins.

I understand your point of view.

However, Fr. Martin also never ever says homosexual conduct is sinful even though he spends an overwhelming amount of time on pelvic issues (his choice). This creates understandable confusion as to what he really believes and what his endgame is.

Ditto for his fervent supporters.

Honesty is always the best policy. Fr. Martin should clarify his position here.

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Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

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Anonymous wrote:Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”. Any reasonable listener will conclude that Martin not only hopes that a man may someday marry a man with the Church’s blessing, but that Martin believes “same-sex marriage” to be radically possible under Church teaching and that it is a matter of regret that such Church recognition is not yet available.

I wasn't aware of that, but he does talk about LGBT issues/acceptance a lot.

His magazine came out in favor of the GA and AL abortion laws, in case you were wondering how liberal he is.

Gay men don't need birth control and abortion, so maybe they can't relate.

People —including women— can support one and not the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we think priests should public praise couples living out of wedlock?

Should we shun them from going to church?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not aware of him, but as the parent of a practicing Catholic who happens to be a lesbian, I’m supportive of a true effort to make LGBTQ Catholics feel welcome. We really liked the initiative run by the HRC.

Can you tell me more about him and his work?

NP - I've seen him on TV a few times and figured he was gay -- just a guess, though

Why do you figure that?

His affect raised my gaydar. Just a guess, though.

Yes.

I wonder what we would all guess about you?

It’s not a put down to say somebody is gay... btw.

No, but it is obnoxious to speculate about another person's sexuality.

It's done everyday... "do you have a boyfriend'... How often have you said that to a friend... assuming she is hetero.

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Anonymous wrote:He like most people has some things right and some things wrong.

His work to build a bridge the lgbt community is very good but he plays it very safe.

He wrote this book.... https://www.amazon.com/Building-Bridge-Relationship-Compassion-Sensitivity/dp/0062694316

He is Jesuit ... so is Prep... he strongly supported Kavanaugh. He blocked anybody that had anything intelligent to say about their negative interactions with boys that attended various Jesuit all boy schools. He blocks trolls ... that make sense but anybody that had a negative comment.???

He lost a lot of followers and lots of credibility.

He also is the editor of the American magazine.

Follow him on twitter or Facebook and decide for yourself.

He supported Kavanaugh until Dr. Blasey testified, at which time America Magazine (he is the editor at large) and the Jesuits withdrew their support.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/09/27/editors-it-time-kavanaugh-nomination-be-withdrawn

https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/fr-james-martin-even-the-disciples-dismissed-the-testimonies-of-credible-women/

Yes for the nomination.

But the idea that the Jesuits need to do something about the morals at the all boys Jesuit schools ... not so much.

I’m not in the position to find the article but right after dr. Fords testimony there was an article about there is nothing wrong with the all boys Jesuit school.. never have been.

Renata would disagree.

I haven’t read his stuff and I’m personally not a fan of single sex education. But I will say that I went to a lot of guys in college who went to Jesuit schools and they aren’t all the same. The guys from Regis high school in New York were all really nice. I know Regis gives a ton of scholarships to working class New Yorkers and also doesn’t seem to have the sports culture of a place like GP. I think the privilege of the kids attending, and the emphasis placed on things like sports, affects the culture of the school a lot.

Obviously every school is not the same. My H went to an all boys Jesuit school (not Prep) and he agrees there is an issue that needs to be addressed. He was thankful when our sons chose the coed school instead. It's also considered more "working class" ... of course a group this year destroyed 2 houses and threw a refrigerator in the river... that is exactly why he did not want his sons going there.

There is a huge issue that teachers allow boys act like animals at times and it goes unchecked... don't get caught is the message, not don't act like douches.