Ludlow-Taylor?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

And don't assume your child will automatically qualify for these classes. There are plenty of smart students at SH.

This is going a bit far. While there may be plenty of smart students at SH, there aren't "plenty" of high achieving ones if you look at test scores. If your kid can get a 4 on PARCC (which I'm guessing most of this board would think was a disappointing score), they will get into SH's honors track.

Getting into a pissing contest over PARCC scores is just silly. SH has seen positive improvement. McFarland and Jefferson have too. PARCC isn't the end all be all. For one, it's not a great test and it's being dumped/opted-out all over the country for a reason. It's also not the only factor in honors placement. There's testing in math and Lexile assessment early in school year. ES transcripts are also a factor.

Being 'at level' in 6th grade is fine, even for advanced students. No one's holding back your kid or preventing them from pursuing more advanced interests. The only public MS that will really aggressively push your child ahead if desired is BASIS (for math at least).

Sorry, PP here and I wasn't disagreeing with any of this. My point was only that -- at least as of right now -- getting into the "honors" track at SH is not hard. Almost everyone reading this board should assume their kids "will automatically qualify," because they will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

And don't assume your child will automatically qualify for these classes. There are plenty of smart students at SH.

This is going a bit far. While there may be plenty of smart students at SH, there aren't "plenty" of high achieving ones if you look at test scores. If your kid can get a 4 on PARCC (which I'm guessing most of this board would think was a disappointing score), they will get into SH's honors track.

We are high-SES, Ivy-educated, and we don't think a 4 is disappointing. You have some nerve casting it as a disappointing score. It makes me wonder if your kid has even taken the PARCC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

And don't assume your child will automatically qualify for these classes. There are plenty of smart students at SH.

This is going a bit far. While there may be plenty of smart students at SH, there aren't "plenty" of high achieving ones if you look at test scores. If your kid can get a 4 on PARCC (which I'm guessing most of this board would think was a disappointing score), they will get into SH's honors track.

We are high-SES, Ivy-educated, and we don't think a 4 is disappointing. You have some nerve casting it as a disappointing score. It makes me wonder if your kid has even taken the PARCC.

In the absence of special needs (which absolutely changes the calculus), the possible scores for children of parents like you are 4 or 5... Given that, I think many parents would be a tad disappointed with a 4. That said, I was being hyperbolic. But, if you’re worried about rigor in MS, your kid isn’t getting 3s and isn’t going to have trouble getting into SH honors. While the honors classes are very mixed racially and mixed SES-wise to a slightly lesser extent, there are vanishingly few high SESers at SH not in the honors track.

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NP. I'm gonna respond to this because there's a basic misconception with it comes to how AA parents view their kids' educations. So, I'll preface this first by saying that I do not have a child that's MS age and I have no experience with SH so it may be a viable option. That said, there are certain considerations that AA parents have to account for that other parents just don't: that's just reality. We all have to consider peer group, whether our child will be challenged, and whether it's the right environment for our DC. But, as an AA parents, our considerations are even more involved. What may work for a white family may not (and often does not) work for an AA family. Studies show that teachers often have less confidence in the abilities of AA kids even when test scores and general academic achievement are different. AA kids also often get lumped in with certain non-achieving and/or disruptive peers even when their behavior is different. Peer pressure can also look a little different here. This is namely because the socioeconomic gap between non-white and white students is so vast in DC: there aren't a lot of white poor folks sitting around D.C. These are all things that Black folks weigh. Also, it sometimes feels that black folks have to be even better than white folks to be considered for the same jobs or opportunities. So, this is why this parent wants to ensure that his/her child is super prepared. The parent wants to ensure that his/her child has no barriers to entry. It's not a matter of her kids "just not being that smart" because let's be honest all white kids aren't smart, just like all black kids aren't smart. The question is even if I have a mediocre black child will they have the same opportunities to succeed as a mediocre white child. If the answer is no, black parents are trying to figure out ways to make their mediocre black child, a stellar black child so at least maybe the playing field will even out a bit. I hope that provides additional context about why black middle class parents seem so crazy and "academics focused."

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Thanks for that thoughtful and informative comment. There's plenty that makes race and class such difficult issues, but as you point out, one factor is that white kids in DC almost universally have highly educated (at least college) parents, whereas other groups have much more socioeconomically diverse families.

say what you will about how well served students who are POC may fare at SH or any other school, but the "Maryland plates" sounds like the same barely coded racist bullshit that often passes uncritically on this site.

Except that it’s an actual fact.

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

I love it when entitled white ladies tell people of color we are “just being racist”. You’re dumb white kids will be fine wherever they go. Enjoy your mediocre Ludlow and Stuart Hobson education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

bullshit
Signed current SH parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

Neighbor- the line of cars with Maryland plates dropping off causes a traffic jam every single day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

You obviously have no experience with SH. In the mornings, there is a line of cars with MD plates on 4th and 5th streets, stopping traffic to drop their kids off around the corner from the entrance to the building. The DC plates pull up out front on E St.

The other parents know. The neighbors know. The school administrators know. I’m sure the DC government itself knows.

Neighbor- the line of cars with Maryland plates dropping off causes a traffic jam every single day.

it's a terrible setup and dropoff does clog traffic. Lots of that is just going south on 5th. Not everyone stuck there is dropping off at SH.

DC is terrible about enforcing residency fraud, yet when they do uncover it it's funny how it's never involving the schools accused here of being the worst cases. This argument has been made about LT for decades and continues as a baseless charge vs Cluster by whiny Cap Hill NIMBYs.

[Anonymous]

The majority of cars doing drop off are from Maryland.

I suggest that you go both to SH and LT in the morning and evening.

LT has improved somewhat but SH is full of MD plates. These are facts, I don’t know why you’re pretending otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The majority of cars doing drop off are from Maryland.

I suggest that you go both to SH and LT in the morning and evening.

LT has improved somewhat but SH is full of MD plates. These are facts, I don’t know why you’re pretending otherwise.

OK Trump. you go make America great again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

I love it when entitled white ladies tell people of color we are “just being racist”. You’re dumb white kids will be fine wherever they go. Enjoy your mediocre Ludlow and Stuart Hobson education.

AA poster here. Stop. You are just being absurdly offensive for no reason. Ludlow Taylor is a strong school--definitely not mediocre. I value academic rigor like any other black parent but honestly these responses are unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

I love it when entitled white ladies tell people of color we are “just being racist”. You’re dumb white kids will be fine wherever they go. Enjoy your mediocre Ludlow and Stuart Hobson education.

AA poster here. Stop. You are just being absurdly offensive for no reason. Ludlow Taylor is a strong school--definitely not mediocre. I value academic rigor like any other black parent but honestly these responses are unnecessary.

Enjoy your calamitous grammar. Ludlow-Taylor is obviously getting a good deal better with every passing year. I'm in-boundary and didn't send my oldest there seven years ago for PreK3, although I got a spot. If she were 3 now, I'd send her in a heartbeat.

[Anonymous]

I've been on this board for years and every Ludlow Taylor thread seems to devolve into people making snide comments about how a school that is majority black ) although the percentage of white kids is going up) could be a high performing school. Stay racist DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Get a life, and a grip. The LT catchment area has gone from roughly half white to more than two-thirds in the last decade alone. We'll have up-to-date percentages once US Census results are released about 18 months hence.

Almost all white families in DC are UMC and well-educated, while in-boundary AA families can be wealthy, middle-class or very poor living in public or Section 8 housing.

With these demographics, of course DCPS elementary schools become higher-performing when their student populations become more white. Pointing this out is not necessarily racist, it's reality.