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Anonymous wrote:What’s your plan for middle school OP? If I was moving (unless I was renting), I would want a longer term path.

People buy in-bounds for L-T specifically for the middle school path.

I have never heard of a single person doing this, ever.

You need a broader circle of people you speak with.

I agree. My friends are really invested in their children’s education and aren’t willing to settle for something close and easy.

You're a peach. So anyone who doesn't choose like you and your friends isn't invested in their children's education?

The snobbery towards SH is for pretty obvious reasons. It's a more academically rigorous and well enriched program than they realize . . . of course they wouldn't step foot inside to see otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your plan for middle school OP? If I was moving (unless I was renting), I would want a longer term path.

People buy in-bounds for L-T specifically for the middle school path.

I have never heard of a single person doing this, ever.

You need a broader circle of people you speak with.

I agree. My friends are really invested in their children’s education and aren’t willing to settle for something close and easy.

You're a peach. So anyone who doesn't choose like you and your friends isn't invested in their children's education?

The snobbery towards SH is for pretty obvious reasons. It's a more academically rigorous and well enriched program than they realize . . . of course they wouldn't step foot inside to see otherwise.

Too many cars from Maryland are blocking the entrance.

Feel free to say why we should choose Stuart-Hobson instead of calling parents who looked at the test scores and curriculum and made informed decisions.

Your white kids will be fine wherever they land. My brown kids need to go to places where they do little more than babysitting or playing cards.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your plan for middle school OP? If I was moving (unless I was renting), I would want a longer term path.

People buy in-bounds for L-T specifically for the middle school path.

I have never heard of a single person doing this, ever.

You need a broader circle of people you speak with.

I agree. My friends are really invested in their children’s education and aren’t willing to settle for something close and easy.

You're a peach. So anyone who doesn't choose like you and your friends isn't invested in their children's education?

The snobbery towards SH is for pretty obvious reasons. It's a more academically rigorous and well enriched program than they realize . . . of course they wouldn't step foot inside to see otherwise.

Too many cars from Maryland are blocking the entrance.

Feel free to say why we should choose Stuart-Hobson instead of calling parents who looked at the test scores and curriculum and made informed decisions.

Your white kids will be fine wherever they land. My brown kids need to go to places where they do little more than babysitting or playing cards.

that's largely bullshit

And my white daughter has numerous AA friends thriving at SH. Maybe your kid isn't that smart.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your plan for middle school OP? If I was moving (unless I was renting), I would want a longer term path.

People buy in-bounds for L-T specifically for the middle school path.

I have never heard of a single person doing this, ever.

You need a broader circle of people you speak with.

I agree. My friends are really invested in their children’s education and aren’t willing to settle for something close and easy.

You're a peach. So anyone who doesn't choose like you and your friends isn't invested in their children's education?

The snobbery towards SH is for pretty obvious reasons. It's a more academically rigorous and well enriched program than they realize . . . of course they wouldn't step foot inside to see otherwise.

Too many cars from Maryland are blocking the entrance.

NP. I'm gonna respond to this because there's a basic misconception with it comes to how AA parents view their kids' educations. So, I'll preface this first by saying that I do not have a child that's MS age and I have no experience with SH so it may be a viable option. That said, there are certain considerations that AA parents have to account for that other parents just don't: that's just reality. We all have to consider peer group, whether our child will be challenged, and whether it's the right environment for our DC. But, as an AA parents, our considerations are even more involved. What may work for a white family may not (and often does not) work for an AA family. Studies show that teachers often have less confidence in the abilities of AA kids even when test scores and general academic achievement are different. AA kids also often get lumped in with certain non-achieving and/or disruptive peers even when their behavior is different. Peer pressure can also look a little different here. This is namely because the socioeconomic gap between non-white and white students is so vast in DC: there aren't a lot of white poor folks sitting around D.C. These are all things that Black folks weigh. Also, it sometimes feels that black folks have to be even better than white folks to be considered for the same jobs or opportunities. So, this is why this parent wants to ensure that his/her child is super prepared. The parent wants to ensure that his/her child has no barriers to entry. It's not a matter of her kids "just not being that smart" because let's be honest all white kids aren't smart, just like all black kids aren't smart. The question is even if I have a mediocre black child will they have the same opportunities to succeed as a mediocre white child. If the answer is no, black parents are trying to figure out ways to make their mediocre black child, a stellar black child so at least maybe the playing field will even out a bit. I hope that provides additional context about why black middle class parents seem so crazy and "academics focused."

Feel free to say why we should choose Stuart-Hobson instead of calling parents who looked at the test scores and curriculum and made informed decisions.

Your white kids will be fine wherever they land. My brown kids need to go to places where they do little more than babysitting or playing cards.

that's largely bullshit

And my white daughter has numerous AA friends thriving at SH. Maybe your kid isn't that smart.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s your plan for middle school OP? If I was moving (unless I was renting), I would want a longer term path.

People buy in-bounds for L-T specifically for the middle school path.

I have never heard of a single person doing this, ever.

You need a broader circle of people you speak with.

I agree. My friends are really invested in their children’s education and aren’t willing to settle for something close and easy.

You're a peach. So anyone who doesn't choose like you and your friends isn't invested in their children's education?

The snobbery towards SH is for pretty obvious reasons. It's a more academically rigorous and well enriched program than they realize . . . of course they wouldn't step foot inside to see otherwise.

Too many cars from Maryland are blocking the entrance.

NP. I'm gonna respond to this because there's a basic misconception with it comes to how AA parents view their kids' educations. So, I'll preface this first by saying that I do not have a child that's MS age and I have no experience with SH so it may be a viable option. That said, there are certain considerations that AA parents have to account for that other parents just don't: that's just reality. We all have to consider peer group, whether our child will be challenged, and whether it's the right environment for our DC. But, as an AA parents, our considerations are even more involved. What may work for a white family may not (and often does not) work for an AA family. Studies show that teachers often have less confidence in the abilities of AA kids even when test scores and general academic achievement are different. AA kids also often get lumped in with certain non-achieving and/or disruptive peers even when their behavior is different. Peer pressure can also look a little different here. This is namely because the socioeconomic gap between non-white and white students is so vast in DC: there aren't a lot of white poor folks sitting around D.C. These are all things that Black folks weigh. Also, it sometimes feels that black folks have to be even better than white folks to be considered for the same jobs or opportunities. So, this is why this parent wants to ensure that his/her child is super prepared. The parent wants to ensure that his/her child has no barriers to entry. It's not a matter of her kids "just not being that smart" because let's be honest all white kids aren't smart, just like all black kids aren't smart. The question is even if I have a mediocre black child will they have the same opportunities to succeed as a mediocre white child. If the answer is no, black parents are trying to figure out ways to make their mediocre black child, a stellar black child so at least maybe the playing field will even out a bit. I hope that provides additional context about why black middle class parents seem so crazy and "academics focused."

Sorry for the typos typing quickly

[Anonymous]

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NP. I'm gonna respond to this because there's a basic misconception with it comes to how AA parents view their kids' educations. So, I'll preface this first by saying that I do not have a child that's MS age and I have no experience with SH so it may be a viable option. That said, there are certain considerations that AA parents have to account for that other parents just don't: that's just reality. We all have to consider peer group, whether our child will be challenged, and whether it's the right environment for our DC. But, as an AA parents, our considerations are even more involved. What may work for a white family may not (and often does not) work for an AA family. Studies show that teachers often have less confidence in the abilities of AA kids even when test scores and general academic achievement are different. AA kids also often get lumped in with certain non-achieving and/or disruptive peers even when their behavior is different. Peer pressure can also look a little different here. This is namely because the socioeconomic gap between non-white and white students is so vast in DC: there aren't a lot of white poor folks sitting around D.C. These are all things that Black folks weigh. Also, it sometimes feels that black folks have to be even better than white folks to be considered for the same jobs or opportunities. So, this is why this parent wants to ensure that his/her child is super prepared. The parent wants to ensure that his/her child has no barriers to entry. It's not a matter of her kids "just not being that smart" because let's be honest all white kids aren't smart, just like all black kids aren't smart. The question is even if I have a mediocre black child will they have the same opportunities to succeed as a mediocre white child. If the answer is no, black parents are trying to figure out ways to make their mediocre black child, a stellar black child so at least maybe the playing field will even out a bit. I hope that provides additional context about why black middle class parents seem so crazy and "academics focused."

Sorry for the typos typing quickly

Thanks for that thoughtful and informative comment. There's plenty that makes race and class such difficult issues, but as you point out, one factor is that white kids in DC almost universally have highly educated (at least college) parents, whereas other groups have much more socioeconomically diverse families.

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NP. I'm gonna respond to this because there's a basic misconception with it comes to how AA parents view their kids' educations. So, I'll preface this first by saying that I do not have a child that's MS age and I have no experience with SH so it may be a viable option. That said, there are certain considerations that AA parents have to account for that other parents just don't: that's just reality. We all have to consider peer group, whether our child will be challenged, and whether it's the right environment for our DC. But, as an AA parents, our considerations are even more involved. What may work for a white family may not (and often does not) work for an AA family. Studies show that teachers often have less confidence in the abilities of AA kids even when test scores and general academic achievement are different. AA kids also often get lumped in with certain non-achieving and/or disruptive peers even when their behavior is different. Peer pressure can also look a little different here. This is namely because the socioeconomic gap between non-white and white students is so vast in DC: there aren't a lot of white poor folks sitting around D.C. These are all things that Black folks weigh. Also, it sometimes feels that black folks have to be even better than white folks to be considered for the same jobs or opportunities. So, this is why this parent wants to ensure that his/her child is super prepared. The parent wants to ensure that his/her child has no barriers to entry. It's not a matter of her kids "just not being that smart" because let's be honest all white kids aren't smart, just like all black kids aren't smart. The question is even if I have a mediocre black child will they have the same opportunities to succeed as a mediocre white child. If the answer is no, black parents are trying to figure out ways to make their mediocre black child, a stellar black child so at least maybe the playing field will even out a bit. I hope that provides additional context about why black middle class parents seem so crazy and "academics focused."

Sorry for the typos typing quickly

Thanks for that thoughtful and informative comment. There's plenty that makes race and class such difficult issues, but as you point out, one factor is that white kids in DC almost universally have highly educated (at least college) parents, whereas other groups have much more socioeconomically diverse families.

say what you will about how well served students who are POC may fare at SH or any other school, but the "Maryland plates" sounds like the same barely coded racist bullshit that often passes uncritically on this site.

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It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

[Anonymous]

“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:“Maryland plates” may come across as racist, but “Virginia plates” would be just as bad - families that don’t live in DC, clog the streets/double-park on a regular basis, and are often no-shows when it comes to volunteering, attending events and parent-teacher conferences.

Do you think public school parents in Chevy Chase, MD, would be happy and expected to put up with Chevy Chase, DC, families using their public schools as if it were their right just because another family member (from a different generation) attended and it was convenient for them on their way to work farther out in MD? How about families in SE attending schools in Alexandria just because it was easy to go over the Wilson Bridge?

Why is DC supposed to just take the lame alibis and go along with this?

Do you know that MoCo schools has a 9-person office policing residency fraud in their schools? The flow of students goes both ways.

this is a red herring. Yes there are instances of residency fraud, but on this board it's used bluntly to denigrate AA families as somehow lawless and some schools less desirable because of this often baseless allegation.

It reminds me of another kind of questionable public smear -- make up an allegation that plays on inherent bias and really can't be proven or refuted, then repeat it loudly and often to try to shape reality. The residency fraud loudmouths on DCUM are borrowing from the loudmouth in chief's playbook on immigration and many other topics.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

And don't assume your child will automatically qualify for these classes. There are plenty of smart students at SH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

And don't assume your child will automatically qualify for these classes. There are plenty of smart students at SH.

This is going a bit far. While there may be plenty of smart students at SH, there aren't "plenty" of high achieving ones if you look at test scores. If your kid can get a 4 on PARCC (which I'm guessing most of this board would think was a disappointing score), they will get into SH's honors track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a no brainer that looking at SH's test scores doesn't tell you all that much, given that just under one third of the students are in honors classes almost all day. PARCC scores are not pulled out by honors vs. regular classes. No, PARCC scores are only pulled out by subgroup/race/sex/SES.

The students in the new honors classes for ELA, math, science, social studies and Spanish work at or above grade level. The students in these classes are a very diverse group of kids by race and, to a lesser extent, SES. If you don't get into Latin or BASIS (or aren't attracted to these programs), can't afford privates, and live in-boundary, Hobson is now worth a look.

This. Any parent who is simply going by test scores isn't truly making an informed decision. If SH is on your list as a possibility, you should come to the school, observe the honors classes, talk to parents whose kids are in the classes, talk to the teachers, the principal, etc.

And don't assume your child will automatically qualify for these classes. There are plenty of smart students at SH.

This is going a bit far. While there may be plenty of smart students at SH, there aren't "plenty" of high achieving ones if you look at test scores. If your kid can get a 4 on PARCC (which I'm guessing most of this board would think was a disappointing score), they will get into SH's honors track.

Getting into a pissing contest over PARCC scores is just silly. SH has seen positive improvement. McFarland and Jefferson have too. PARCC isn't the end all be all. For one, it's not a great test and it's being dumped/opted-out all over the country for a reason. It's also not the only factor in honors placement. There's testing in math and Lexile assessment early in school year. ES transcripts are also a factor.

Being 'at level' in 6th grade is fine, even for advanced students. No one's holding back your kid or preventing them from pursuing more advanced interests. The only public MS that will really aggressively push your child ahead if desired is BASIS (for math at least).