what percent of appeals get in?

[Anonymous]

I was pretty involved in AAP at a Center and with FCAG (and now at TJ). I also have a friend who does psychoeducational testing, including AAP appeals) for a living. She says, and what I have seen backs this up, that she thinks 50% is about right. I saw a high 40s number through FCAG a few years ago.

But almost all of the 50% who get in on appeal have parents who appeal with an iQ test 130 or higher (with the 130 vs 136 being dependent on the strength of the underlying packet). One of ,y kids was very borderline, appealed with a 134 (? I think) and was admitted. Several kids her year appealed with new work samples, etc and were not.

The only other place an appeal would matter is if something strange happened— like undiagnosed LDs, again— caught on testing.

So in the end, the what % get in tell you nothing about your particular kids chances. What matters of of you submitted an IQ test. And if the number was above 130. That’s it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My experience with education in general (taught in college), is that motivated children tend to succeed, regardless of other circumstances. The other factor that has a serious impact on how well a child does in class, IMO, is how good of a teacher they have. Kids failing in AAP, likely have teachers that aren't able to teach in a way that reaches them.

I completely agree with this. Motivation is so important. And having a good teacher makes a world of difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was pretty involved in AAP at a Center and with FCAG (and now at TJ). I also have a friend who does psychoeducational testing, including AAP appeals) for a living. She says, and what I have seen backs this up, that she thinks 50% is about right. I saw a high 40s number through FCAG a few years ago.

But almost all of the 50% who get in on appeal have parents who appeal with an iQ test 130 or higher (with the 130 vs 136 being dependent on the strength of the underlying packet). One of ,y kids was very borderline, appealed with a 134 (? I think) and was admitted. Several kids her year appealed with new work samples, etc and were not.

The only other place an appeal would matter is if something strange happened— like undiagnosed LDs, again— caught on testing.

So in the end, the what % get in tell you nothing about your particular kids chances. What matters of of you submitted an IQ test. And if the number was above 130. That’s it.

This is quality info. What’s crazy is so many kids in AAP have lower IQs than 130. Seems so arbitrary!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was pretty involved in AAP at a Center and with FCAG (and now at TJ). I also have a friend who does psychoeducational testing, including AAP appeals) for a living. She says, and what I have seen backs this up, that she thinks 50% is about right. I saw a high 40s number through FCAG a few years ago.

But almost all of the 50% who get in on appeal have parents who appeal with an iQ test 130 or higher (with the 130 vs 136 being dependent on the strength of the underlying packet). One of ,y kids was very borderline, appealed with a 134 (? I think) and was admitted. Several kids her year appealed with new work samples, etc and were not.

The only other place an appeal would matter is if something strange happened— like undiagnosed LDs, again— caught on testing.

So in the end, the what % get in tell you nothing about your particular kids chances. What matters of of you submitted an IQ test. And if the number was above 130. That’s it.

So your friend followed up with clients to see if they got in to aap ?

[Anonymous]

Our AART said that 50% of appeals get in and we should appeal with a letter and work samples. Never said anything about going to get testing. She is giving people bad advice, SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our AART said that 50% of appeals get in and we should appeal with a letter and work samples. Never said anything about going to get testing. She is giving people bad advice, SMH.

Our AART mentioned nothing of additional testing either.

We did get the WISC done and it was lower than the Cogat so we are not submitting.

It is only bad advice if your child doesn’t get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was pretty involved in AAP at a Center and with FCAG (and now at TJ). I also have a friend who does psychoeducational testing, including AAP appeals) for a living. She says, and what I have seen backs this up, that she thinks 50% is about right. I saw a high 40s number through FCAG a few years ago.

But almost all of the 50% who get in on appeal have parents who appeal with an iQ test 130 or higher (with the 130 vs 136 being dependent on the strength of the underlying packet). One of ,y kids was very borderline, appealed with a 134 (? I think) and was admitted. Several kids her year appealed with new work samples, etc and were not.

The only other place an appeal would matter is if something strange happened— like undiagnosed LDs, again— caught on testing.

So in the end, the what % get in tell you nothing about your particular kids chances. What matters of of you submitted an IQ test. And if the number was above 130. That’s it.

There are people on other threads that claim they were accepted on appeal with a letter and work samples only (but usually already had a high CogAT).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
There are people on other threads that claim they were accepted on appeal with a letter and work samples only (but usually already had a high CogAT).

I'm one of the PPs whose kid was admitted on appeals using just a letter and work samples. My kid had a CogAT composite just barely under 132, a 15 GBRS, and was above grade level in both math and language arts. I think the letter + work samples approach only works when your child has a very strong GBRS and high enough test scores that the kid really should have been accepted first round.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was pretty involved in AAP at a Center and with FCAG (and now at TJ). I also have a friend who does psychoeducational testing, including AAP appeals) for a living. She says, and what I have seen backs this up, that she thinks 50% is about right. I saw a high 40s number through FCAG a few years ago.

But almost all of the 50% who get in on appeal have parents who appeal with an iQ test 130 or higher (with the 130 vs 136 being dependent on the strength of the underlying packet). One of ,y kids was very borderline, appealed with a 134 (? I think) and was admitted. Several kids her year appealed with new work samples, etc and were not.

The only other place an appeal would matter is if something strange happened— like undiagnosed LDs, again— caught on testing.

So in the end, the what % get in tell you nothing about your particular kids chances. What matters of of you submitted an IQ test. And if the number was above 130. That’s it.

So your friend followed up with clients to see if they got in to aap ?

PP on this and I assume she did, or parents let her know. I never specifically asked. But, she was also tangentially involved with the AAP admissions process through a committee or feedback group for a year or 2 too. I believe during the Cogat redesign 7-8 years ago.

I know for sure that she saw some kids more than once. Kids came in for AAP testing in 2nd. We’re also referred for ADHD. And needed ADHD retesting redone every 3 years or so to keep accommodations. The college board is not taking tests from 8 years earlier.


Believe it or don’t believe it. My kids are out of AAP and at TJ. So, I have no dog in this fight. But, she knows her stuff. And everything I have seen (which is a lot of kids over 10 years) says she is dead on.

[Anonymous]

You realize AARTs aren’t supposed to tell you your kid should have a WISC To appeal, right? FCPS is trying hard to be perceived as giving every kid an equal shot at AAP. If AARTs start telling parents they weed $500 in educational testing, the affluent kids get a leg up over the kids whose parents cannot afford it. (Although I think GMU does sliding scale).

It creates a two tiered system. One for kids whose parents can afford an I untested, and one for kids who are stuck with what the school gives them. So, the pretense is that FCPS gives your kid everything they need to apply and the playing field is level. And for some kids, that’s true.

But, spoiler alert: the playing field is not level

And yes, the AART didn’t tell you how to maximize your kids chances.

[Anonymous]

The AARTs aren’t allowed to tell people about outside testing?

[Anonymous]

I remember the AART in my DC school do mention about Outside testing (WISC in GMU) for appeals during her presentation about AAP on Dec.

[Anonymous]

While my AART did not bring up testing, when I mentioned it she told me to go do George Mason and get a WISC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The AARTs aren’t allowed to tell people about outside testing?

More nuanced that that. They are not *supposed* to state or imply you need a WISC to appeal in.

[Anonymous]

I am appealing for my kid with no wisc but only with new work samples .
NNAT 137, COGAT 132(V:126,Q:124, NV:135) . GBRS shows Frequently Observed in all four.

Not sure if he has any chance.