The Case Against Adnan Syed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This HBO show is based off of Rabias book so it has to be biased right?

Of course... Serial was balanced I would say. Rabia wanted her own spin so she helped launch Undisclosed. It was great to hear another perspective but clearly she's the most biased of the three lawyers on the project.

I'm not sure if Adnan did it but if he's in jail I think Jay also needs to be in jail.

Balanced? Not in the slightest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This HBO show is based off of Rabias book so it has to be biased right?

Of course... Serial was balanced I would say. Rabia wanted her own spin so she helped launch Undisclosed. It was great to hear another perspective but clearly she's the most biased of the three lawyers on the project.

I'm not sure if Adnan did it but if he's in jail I think Jay also needs to be in jail.

I think that the HBO show, if anything, adds much more context to Hae herself. I found that Serial focused on the crime itself more than the people caught up in it. I think that Hae has largely been forgotten due to the hullabaloo about the case developments. I think HBO did a good job of bringing her to the forefront.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This HBO show is based off of Rabias book so it has to be biased right?

Of course... Serial was balanced I would say. Rabia wanted her own spin so she helped launch Undisclosed. It was great to hear another perspective but clearly she's the most biased of the three lawyers on the project.

I'm not sure if Adnan did it but if he's in jail I think Jay also needs to be in jail.

I think that the HBO show, if anything, adds much more context to Hae herself. I found that Serial focused on the crime itself more than the people caught up in it. I think that Hae has largely been forgotten due to the hullabaloo about the case developments. I think HBO did a good job of bringing her to the forefront.

But this is most likely due to backlash, response to Serial and Undisclosed. However, the show doesn't at all give Hae's real side because there is no one from her family involved. Hae's family in fact agrees with the conviction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

It was Don, the guy Hae was dating when she died. He did it because he didn't like that she was still friends with Adnan, IMO. What Serial got wrong/didn't explain well was the Magnet program Hae, Adnan, and Stephanie were in. Serial said it had 50 kids in the program but in reality it was much, much smaller with around just 25. They also didn't explain that the kids in the Magnet program had every class together except for the classes like art, music, etc. It wasn't possible for Hae to avoid Adnan in that kind of scenario.

The Crime Junkie podcast did an episode called What Serial Didn't Tell You that also further explained how the manager who vouched for Don as being at work was his mom. And the manager at the store where Don was filling in that day was Don's mom's girlfriend (and became his future stepmom). Plus there were some time card inconsistencies found upon further investigation, like the wrong employee number was used on his time card for that day instead of his longstanding employee number. And the shift he was supposedly working didn't actually exist as a shift and became of the way their time card system worked, a manager could only edit a time card for one week following the entry, so adding that shift with the wonky employee number had to of been done before Hae's body was found. That particular time card had to be changed by January something and that same day that was the cut off was also the same day that Don was first interviewed by the police. It was a very good episode!

This, and Jay's junk testimony is why he deserves a new trial. I think Jay's testimony should be disregarded all together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

It was Don, the guy Hae was dating when she died. He did it because he didn't like that she was still friends with Adnan, IMO. What Serial got wrong/didn't explain well was the Magnet program Hae, Adnan, and Stephanie were in. Serial said it had 50 kids in the program but in reality it was much, much smaller with around just 25. They also didn't explain that the kids in the Magnet program had every class together except for the classes like art, music, etc. It wasn't possible for Hae to avoid Adnan in that kind of scenario.

The Crime Junkie podcast did an episode called What Serial Didn't Tell You that also further explained how the manager who vouched for Don as being at work was his mom. And the manager at the store where Don was filling in that day was Don's mom's girlfriend (and became his future stepmom). Plus there were some time card inconsistencies found upon further investigation, like the wrong employee number was used on his time card for that day instead of his longstanding employee number. And the shift he was supposedly working didn't actually exist as a shift and became of the way their time card system worked, a manager could only edit a time card for one week following the entry, so adding that shift with the wonky employee number had to of been done before Hae's body was found. That particular time card had to be changed by January something and that same day that was the cut off was also the same day that Don was first interviewed by the police. It was a very good episode!

This, and Jay's junk testimony is why he deserves a new trial. I think Jay's testimony should be disregarded all together.

Yes! I remember hearing the Jay interview tapes on Undisclosed (I believe it was) and the knocking/tapping sounds the detectives made when Jay started saying something that was incorrect or contradictory to a previous statement.

Anyway, now that the highest MD court has denied a new trial, can they take it higher? Is that an option?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

It was Don, the guy Hae was dating when she died. He did it because he didn't like that she was still friends with Adnan, IMO. What Serial got wrong/didn't explain well was the Magnet program Hae, Adnan, and Stephanie were in. Serial said it had 50 kids in the program but in reality it was much, much smaller with around just 25. They also didn't explain that the kids in the Magnet program had every class together except for the classes like art, music, etc. It wasn't possible for Hae to avoid Adnan in that kind of scenario.

The Crime Junkie podcast did an episode called What Serial Didn't Tell You that also further explained how the manager who vouched for Don as being at work was his mom. And the manager at the store where Don was filling in that day was Don's mom's girlfriend (and became his future stepmom). Plus there were some time card inconsistencies found upon further investigation, like the wrong employee number was used on his time card for that day instead of his longstanding employee number. And the shift he was supposedly working didn't actually exist as a shift and became of the way their time card system worked, a manager could only edit a time card for one week following the entry, so adding that shift with the wonky employee number had to of been done before Hae's body was found. That particular time card had to be changed by January something and that same day that was the cut off was also the same day that Don was first interviewed by the police. It was a very good episode!

This, and Jay's junk testimony is why he deserves a new trial. I think Jay's testimony should be disregarded all together.

Yes! I remember hearing the Jay interview tapes on Undisclosed (I believe it was) and the knocking/tapping sounds the detectives made when Jay started saying something that was incorrect or contradictory to a previous statement.

Anyway, now that the highest MD court has denied a new trial, can they take it higher? Is that an option?

I think the Supreme Court is the last option at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

It was Don, the guy Hae was dating when she died. He did it because he didn't like that she was still friends with Adnan, IMO. What Serial got wrong/didn't explain well was the Magnet program Hae, Adnan, and Stephanie were in. Serial said it had 50 kids in the program but in reality it was much, much smaller with around just 25. They also didn't explain that the kids in the Magnet program had every class together except for the classes like art, music, etc. It wasn't possible for Hae to avoid Adnan in that kind of scenario.

The Crime Junkie podcast did an episode called What Serial Didn't Tell You that also further explained how the manager who vouched for Don as being at work was his mom. And the manager at the store where Don was filling in that day was Don's mom's girlfriend (and became his future stepmom). Plus there were some time card inconsistencies found upon further investigation, like the wrong employee number was used on his time card for that day instead of his longstanding employee number. And the shift he was supposedly working didn't actually exist as a shift and became of the way their time card system worked, a manager could only edit a time card for one week following the entry, so adding that shift with the wonky employee number had to of been done before Hae's body was found. That particular time card had to be changed by January something and that same day that was the cut off was also the same day that Don was first interviewed by the police. It was a very good episode!

This, and Jay's junk testimony is why he deserves a new trial. I think Jay's testimony should be disregarded all together.

Yes! I remember hearing the Jay interview tapes on Undisclosed (I believe it was) and the knocking/tapping sounds the detectives made when Jay started saying something that was incorrect or contradictory to a previous statement.

Anyway, now that the highest MD court has denied a new trial, can they take it higher? Is that an option?

I think the Supreme Court is the last option at this point.

If SCOTUS grants cert on this I'll eat my hat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The one thing I remember most from the Serial podcast was that Jay knew where Hae’s car was. So I don’t think it was random. Ultimately I don’t know who did it but I think that Jay knows who did it and I don’t think he’s a truthful person, so I’m not sure if Adnan did it. I think a new trial would be fair.

If you listen to Undisclosed it becomes clear that all the things Jay "knew" were not necessarily information he came up with on his own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

FYI Hae had a diary on a floppy disk that was found in her car and never investigated. We don't know what was on that and it's missing. She started writing her more private information on that after her brother read her paper diary.

[Anonymous]

Did you all watch last night?

[Anonymous]

It's interesting to see how people age over 20 years. Jennifer looks like she's had a tough life.

[Anonymous]

Agree Jennifer P looks rough. Honestly I thought she looked high.

I think this documentary is puzzling - as I watch I keep wondering what someone who has no idea about this case might think. IT jumps around, from the original story, to the PCR hearing of a couple of years ago, to various elements of the past, to people today trying to remember back - I am not certain they are telling a coherent story? Honestly if I Didn't know the story fairly well, I'm not sure what I'd take away?

I was only partially watching, so I missed some of the end. But I thought last night made Adnan look guilty. Sure, the devil is in the details, and we know the details of Jen and Jay's stories don't match. But in the broadest possible terms, you have two witnesses who were involved the night of Hae's murder. Jay helped Adnan bury the body, and Jen helps Jay go back and look at the shovels. On the surface, two people who are witnesses seems like a strong case, no? But then from Undisclosed I know there are all sorts of problems with their testimony.

I don't know. I wish this case would resolve and I never had to think about it again, tbh.

[Anonymous]

I didn't watch last night but did watch the first ep and follow the case pretty closely.

I HATED the first ep. I agree with pp it jumped around a ton, the drawings were incredibly distracting, etc. The only interesting part to me was the additional insight into Adnan's family.

I honestly still don't know who did it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch last night but did watch the first ep and follow the case pretty closely.

I HATED the first ep. I agree with pp it jumped around a ton, the drawings were incredibly distracting, etc. The only interesting part to me was the additional insight into Adnan's family.

I honestly still don't know who did it.

First episode and 2nd were night and day. The first one focused more on their personal lives, perhaps in response to little information about Hae. The second was much more technical and case testimony driven which was more interesting.

[Anonymous]

So I might be the only person who never got on the serial train. I lives abroad when it came out and didn't pay attention, then when I got home it seemed like it was "over" so I didn't bother listening bc ever seemed to have already discussed it all. Worth watching? I actually have little backstory knowledge even..murder of teen, trial and conviction that seems fishy.