The Case Against Adnan Syed

[Anonymous]

I believe he is innocent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Adnan has maintained his innocence all this time even when he could have gotten out by saying otherwise is pretty convincing to me.

After all the publicity garnered by Serial and Rabia there was no way Adnan could have changed his tune about being innocent and tried to cop a plea that would have gotten him released earlier.

Agreed. He seems guilty AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Adnan has maintained his innocence all this time even when he could have gotten out by saying otherwise is pretty convincing to me.

After all the publicity garnered by Serial and Rabia there was no way Adnan could have changed his tune about being innocent and tried to cop a plea that would have gotten him released earlier.

You think he's a cold-blooded killer, but he's worried about disappointing people and hurting people's feelings??

If he is guilty, and he could've gotten out of prison by admitting it....no way he doesn't do it.

[NP]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Adnan has maintained his innocence all this time even when he could have gotten out by saying otherwise is pretty convincing to me.

After all the publicity garnered by Serial and Rabia there was no way Adnan could have changed his tune about being innocent and tried to cop a plea that would have gotten him released earlier.

You think he's a cold-blooded killer, but he's worried about disappointing people and hurting people's feelings??

If he is guilty, and he could've gotten out of prison by admitting it....no way he doesn't do it.

[NP]

No, I don’t think he’s like Suge Knight or something. He was 17 years old and immature when he killed his ex-girlfriend in a fit of rage. And yes, given everything that has gone on over the past 5-10 years, and the support he’s garnered, who would he be and what would he left with after getting out of prison if he was like yeah I actually did it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Adnan has maintained his innocence all this time even when he could have gotten out by saying otherwise is pretty convincing to me.

After all the publicity garnered by Serial and Rabia there was no way Adnan could have changed his tune about being innocent and tried to cop a plea that would have gotten him released earlier.

Agreed. He seems guilty AF.

This narrative seems unlikely. They offered him a deal that would have freed him after 4 years if he admitted guilt. He refused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those that think he's guilty, what makes you think that? I started relistening to Serial and Undisclosed. I feel like there are others who are more likely to have done it (Mr S? Jay?) but am curious about why people think it was Adnan.

+1 I completely think it was an unfair trial and I'm glad he's been released.

That said, from Serial and after listening to Rabia's podcast, I still think he's guilty bc he just can't reconstruct that day with a solid alibi. They kept saying "well it was a day like any other so how could he remember what exactly he was doing" when police questioned him weeks later. But it's also a day that he found out from police that his ex-gf was missing, so I would think that would make th day extraordinary and memorable. Just IMO

Also I'm the same age and this idea of leaning his car and call pH to Jay when he supposedly wasn't even a close friend -- just doesn't ring true as how things were back then at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that think he's guilty, what makes you think that? I started relistening to Serial and Undisclosed. I feel like there are others who are more likely to have done it (Mr S? Jay?) but am curious about why people think it was Adnan.

+1 I completely think it was an unfair trial and I'm glad he's been released.

That said, from Serial and after listening to Rabia's podcast, I still think he's guilty bc he just can't reconstruct that day with a solid alibi. They kept saying "well it was a day like any other so how could he remember what exactly he was doing" when police questioned him weeks later. But it's also a day that he found out from police that his ex-gf was missing, so I would think that would make th day extraordinary and memorable. Just IMO

Also I'm the same age and this idea of leaning his car and call pH to Jay when he supposedly wasn't even a close friend -- just doesn't ring true as how things were back then at all.

** typos - that should be "lending his car and cell phone to Jay"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that think he's guilty, what makes you think that? I started relistening to Serial and Undisclosed. I feel like there are others who are more likely to have done it (Mr S? Jay?) but am curious about why people think it was Adnan.

+1 I completely think it was an unfair trial and I'm glad he's been released.

That said, from Serial and after listening to Rabia's podcast, I still think he's guilty bc he just can't reconstruct that day with a solid alibi. They kept saying "well it was a day like any other so how could he remember what exactly he was doing" when police questioned him weeks later. But it's also a day that he found out from police that his ex-gf was missing, so I would think that would make th day extraordinary and memorable. Just IMO

Also I'm the same age and this idea of leaning his car and call pH to Jay when he supposedly wasn't even a close friend -- just doesn't ring true as how things were back then at all.

** typos - that should be "lending his car and cell phone to Jay"

Agree. He's guilty.

-It's the most simple, straightforward explanation and motive
-Hae's last note to him and interviews/testimony with her friends indicated he was jealous and possessive in an unhealthy, not normal way.
-As much as Jay's story has changed with regard to specific times and locations, the key consistent points always remained that Adnan killed Hae and showed him the body and he helped bury it.
-This same information he told to at least two separate people on separate occasions (Jen and Chris) who both reported he told them the method of death prior to it coming out in the news.
-Cops may have fed or led Jay to some info, but I really doubt they fed him the location of the car. They could not find it until he found it (there were some theories about data showing cops running Hae's plates prior to that, but that was determined to be because they were querying if anything popped for it BECAUSE they were still looking for it, not because they had already found it. The location of the car was an empty lot behind row houses, not a very public area. It's unlikely he would know where it was otherwise.
-Adnan's personal recollection of his wearabouts that day are the most vague compared to everyone else. He also changed his story.
-The only other possible person it could have been is Jay and Jay did not have a motive, Adnan did.

That said, was there sufficient evidence to convict? No. But do I think he did it? Yes.

[Anonymous]

There is nothing connecting Adnan to the crime expect Jay. Jay doesn’t have one solid story, but at least 7 different versions of events and his alibi Jen doesn’t even have the same story as him. Listening to his interviews, there is no way this should have proceeded to an arrest. Jay is so inconsistent it’s comical. He also admits to lying.

[Anonymous]

Detective Ritz had a few murder convictions overturned for lack of evidence and blackmailing witnesses into false testimony.

Jay implied in a 2014 interview that the cops were on to him for drug dealing and he was terrified of implicating his grandmother since her home was where he was selling drugs from so he went along with cooperating with the cops. Jen, the other witness, was arrested for drug charges with Jays uncle who was her boyfriend. Both of these witnesses were drug dealers who Detective Ritz probably scared into testifying. In some of the tapes, you can hear pencil tapping sounds whenever Jay says something wrong. The cops were coaching him with answers. That’s why he doesn’t keep the story straight. It’s because he doesn’t know what actually happened to Hae.. He was memorizing a timeline.

Jay’s story kept changing. I don’t think Adnan or Jay had anything to do with Haes murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else watch the first episode of "The Case Against Adnan Syed" on HBO last night? I was enthralled with Serial a few years ago and I feel myself getting sucked back in.

After being overturned and it looking like he might get a new trial, Adnan's conviction was reinstated by Maryland's highest court on Friday.

I admittedly don't remember some of the details of the case as when I was fresh off listening to Serial
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From what i read and heard, it wasn't a fair trial. I'm neither the judge or the jury or the investigator but would like for a competent team to conduct this case without preconceived biases and solve this mystery so victim and accused can finally get justice.

The defense attorney Adnan paid 50 grand for and hired was disbarred in 2001 for purposely losing cases so she can win more money with the appeal. She was a big timer in Baltimore County too. Adnan also was denied bail as a minor because his birthdate on booking papers said May 21st 1980 so it listed him as 18. The death penalty for adults who commit homicide was still a thing in Maryland back then so for a brief period of time he genuinely thought he was getting capital punishment. I can’t imagine how horrifying it must have felt as a 17 year old high school kid.

I do believe Adnan is innocent. He was asking the cops when he can go home and finish his annotated bibliography for school on the day they arrested him and took him down to the station for questioning. The HBO doc goes into this more, but for a few hours, they questioned a minor without letting him
Know he had the right to have an attorney question. The detectives kept telling him
It’s okay, just tell us what you did and one told him “I get mad at my ex wife too, man”, and Adnan didn’t have any idea what they were talking about.

[Anonymous]

The two new suspects named in the papers are interesting too. One had a criminal record and a connection to where the car was found. They could never explain why the car was where it was before and now they can. Seems more and more likely that Adnan didn't do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The two new suspects named in the papers are interesting too. One had a criminal record and a connection to where the car was found. They could never explain why the car was where it was before and now they can. Seems more and more likely that Adnan didn't do it.

They found someone in Baltimore with a criminal record linked to a specific location? I am literally shook!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that think he's guilty, what makes you think that? I started relistening to Serial and Undisclosed. I feel like there are others who are more likely to have done it (Mr S? Jay?) but am curious about why people think it was Adnan.

+1 I completely think it was an unfair trial and I'm glad he's been released.

That said, from Serial and after listening to Rabia's podcast, I still think he's guilty bc he just can't reconstruct that day with a solid alibi. They kept saying "well it was a day like any other so how could he remember what exactly he was doing" when police questioned him weeks later. But it's also a day that he found out from police that his ex-gf was missing, so I would think that would make th day extraordinary and memorable. Just IMO

Also I'm the same age and this idea of leaning his car and call pH to Jay when he supposedly wasn't even a close friend -- just doesn't ring true as how things were back then at all.

Teenage boys are careless and have sieves for brains. He didn’t worry or think she was harmed when cops called that day. An 18 year old gone for one afternoon doesn’t even get called a missing person report by police. He thought Hae was with Don. Haes brother also called Adnan to ask where she was, and he said he didn’t see her /to check Don.. I get the feeling Haes brother didn’t call Don. I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the anonymous tip as the cop said it was a Korean male with an accent who called. He seemed to have it out for Adnan.

Before Adnan was arrested, All their friends and schoolmates thought Don was hiding her. A police note said “Haes girlfriends don’t like new boyfriend. New boyfriend assaulted Debbie”.

Of course none of this was investigated further. Two weeks before her death, Hae was out with Don and had car trouble and she called Adnan to come help. They met each other briefly. This is a huge detail that is overlooked. That could’ve been the motive : jealousy over Hae calling another partner during a date.. Adnan supposedly made a comment about Don not being manly enough later. Don had reported being cheated on by past girlfriends in the past and being a bit of a recluse. Another red flag that’s just ignored.

Second wrench in the story: Stephanie’s birthday /Garlands Garden-Jens job

Jay had Adnans car that day and spent the afternoon with Jen. Hae could’ve pulled over to say hi to Adnan and found Jay and Jen there instead and could’ve argued with them over two timing her friend Stephanie and a fight ensued. Jen in her investigation called Hae stuck up and annoying which is a weird way to talk about a victim. There was also unnamed female DNA found on Hae that goes against the theory that Jay and Adnan buried her alone. . Jen also worked at Garlands Garden 7- 10 minutes away from Woodlawn High and on route to the kindergarten school Hae was going to. It is possible Hae went there to pick up flowers (flowers were found in her car, she loved flowers and drew flowers everywhere in her diary), and met Jay who was there to get flowers for Stephanie’s birthday before dropping the car off to Adnan and flowers to Stephanie.

Btw, Stephanie never got her present that day and didn’t see Jay that day. In his 2014 Intercept interview, Jay referred to burying the body with Adnan with gardening tools. An interesting way to refer to shovels given we know Jen worked at a garden. Was it a slip of the tongue? Jen also looks like life has been very very tough for her. Guilty conscience?

Do you see how easy it is to create circumstantial evidence? I could easily convict Jen and Jay or Don in the same manner Adnan was using circumstantial evidence/hearsay.

Another detail people overlook besides the Korean caller, Jen and Jay , and Don and Adnan meet up is Haes car trouble. She had a new 1998 Nissan Centra with car trouble in Baltimore. Luckily, she was with Don the first time so she was able to get help but if her car broke down again after school, and she ran into a random killer, that is also a possibility. . The investigators did not look to see if Haes debit card was stolen or used. They did not check local gas station surveillance cameras to see if Haes car was being driven throughout the city. The investigation really overlooked alot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Adnan has maintained his innocence all this time even when he could have gotten out by saying otherwise is pretty convincing to me.

After all the publicity garnered by Serial and Rabia there was no way Adnan could have changed his tune about being innocent and tried to cop a plea that would have gotten him released earlier.

You think he's a cold-blooded killer, but he's worried about disappointing people and hurting people's feelings??

If he is guilty, and he could've gotten out of prison by admitting it....no way he doesn't do it.

[NP]

No, I don’t think he’s like Suge Knight or something. He was 17 years old and immature when he killed his ex-girlfriend in a fit of rage. And yes, given everything that has gone on over the past 5-10 years, and the support he’s garnered, who would he be and what would he left with after getting out of prison if he was like yeah I actually did it?

FREEDOM.