The Case Against Adnan Syed

[Anonymous]

What is Rabia's explanation for Jay knowing the location of the car?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that think he's guilty, what makes you think that? I started relistening to Serial and Undisclosed. I feel like there are others who are more likely to have done it (Mr S? Jay?) but am curious about why people think it was Adnan.

+1 I completely think it was an unfair trial and I'm glad he's been released.

That said, from Serial and after listening to Rabia's podcast, I still think he's guilty bc he just can't reconstruct that day with a solid alibi. They kept saying "well it was a day like any other so how could he remember what exactly he was doing" when police questioned him weeks later. But it's also a day that he found out from police that his ex-gf was missing, so I would think that would make th day extraordinary and memorable. Just IMO

Also I'm the same age and this idea of leaning his car and call pH to Jay when he supposedly wasn't even a close friend -- just doesn't ring true as how things were back then at all.

Teenage boys are careless and have sieves for brains. He didn’t worry or think she was harmed when cops called that day. An 18 year old gone for one afternoon doesn’t even get called a missing person report by police. He thought Hae was with Don. Haes brother also called Adnan to ask where she was, and he said he didn’t see her /to check Don.. I get the feeling Haes brother didn’t call Don. I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the anonymous tip as the cop said it was a Korean male with an accent who called. He seemed to have it out for Adnan.

Before Adnan was arrested, All their friends and schoolmates thought Don was hiding her. A police note said “Haes girlfriends don’t like new boyfriend. New boyfriend assaulted Debbie”.

Of course none of this was investigated further. Two weeks before her death, Hae was out with Don and had car trouble and she called Adnan to come help. They met each other briefly. This is a huge detail that is overlooked. That could’ve been the motive : jealousy over Hae calling another partner during a date.. Adnan supposedly made a comment about Don not being manly enough later. Don had reported being cheated on by past girlfriends in the past and being a bit of a recluse. Another red flag that’s just ignored.

Second wrench in the story: Stephanie’s birthday /Garlands Garden-Jens job

Jay had Adnans car that day and spent the afternoon with Jen. Hae could’ve pulled over to say hi to Adnan and found Jay and Jen there instead and could’ve argued with them over two timing her friend Stephanie and a fight ensued. Jen in her investigation called Hae stuck up and annoying which is a weird way to talk about a victim. There was also unnamed female DNA found on Hae that goes against the theory that Jay and Adnan buried her alone. . Jen also worked at Garlands Garden 7- 10 minutes away from Woodlawn High and on route to the kindergarten school Hae was going to. It is possible Hae went there to pick up flowers (flowers were found in her car, she loved flowers and drew flowers everywhere in her diary), and met Jay who was there to get flowers for Stephanie’s birthday before dropping the car off to Adnan and flowers to Stephanie.

Btw, Stephanie never got her present that day and didn’t see Jay that day. In his 2014 Intercept interview, Jay referred to burying the body with Adnan with gardening tools. An interesting way to refer to shovels given we know Jen worked at a garden. Was it a slip of the tongue? Jen also looks like life has been very very tough for her. Guilty conscience?

Do you see how easy it is to create circumstantial evidence? I could easily convict Jen and Jay or Don in the same manner Adnan was using circumstantial evidence/hearsay.

Another detail people overlook besides the Korean caller, Jen and Jay , and Don and Adnan meet up is Haes car trouble. She had a new 1998 Nissan Centra with car trouble in Baltimore. Luckily, she was with Don the first time so she was able to get help but if her car broke down again after school, and she ran into a random killer, that is also a possibility. . The investigators did not look to see if Haes debit card was stolen or used. They did not check local gas station surveillance cameras to see if Haes car was being driven throughout the city. The investigation really overlooked alot.

What is Jen's motivation to kill Hae? Opportunity is insufficient.

If the cops fed Jay his story, why would the cops tell him to say gardening tools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that think he's guilty, what makes you think that? I started relistening to Serial and Undisclosed. I feel like there are others who are more likely to have done it (Mr S? Jay?) but am curious about why people think it was Adnan.

+1 I completely think it was an unfair trial and I'm glad he's been released.

That said, from Serial and after listening to Rabia's podcast, I still think he's guilty bc he just can't reconstruct that day with a solid alibi. They kept saying "well it was a day like any other so how could he remember what exactly he was doing" when police questioned him weeks later. But it's also a day that he found out from police that his ex-gf was missing, so I would think that would make th day extraordinary and memorable. Just IMO

Also I'm the same age and this idea of leaning his car and call pH to Jay when he supposedly wasn't even a close friend -- just doesn't ring true as how things were back then at all.

Teenage boys are careless and have sieves for brains. He didn’t worry or think she was harmed when cops called that day. An 18 year old gone for one afternoon doesn’t even get called a missing person report by police. He thought Hae was with Don. Haes brother also called Adnan to ask where she was, and he said he didn’t see her /to check Don.. I get the feeling Haes brother didn’t call Don. I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the anonymous tip as the cop said it was a Korean male with an accent who called. He seemed to have it out for Adnan.

Before Adnan was arrested, All their friends and schoolmates thought Don was hiding her. A police note said “Haes girlfriends don’t like new boyfriend. New boyfriend assaulted Debbie”.

Of course none of this was investigated further. Two weeks before her death, Hae was out with Don and had car trouble and she called Adnan to come help. They met each other briefly. This is a huge detail that is overlooked. That could’ve been the motive : jealousy over Hae calling another partner during a date.. Adnan supposedly made a comment about Don not being manly enough later. Don had reported being cheated on by past girlfriends in the past and being a bit of a recluse. Another red flag that’s just ignored.

Second wrench in the story: Stephanie’s birthday /Garlands Garden-Jens job

Jay had Adnans car that day and spent the afternoon with Jen. Hae could’ve pulled over to say hi to Adnan and found Jay and Jen there instead and could’ve argued with them over two timing her friend Stephanie and a fight ensued. Jen in her investigation called Hae stuck up and annoying which is a weird way to talk about a victim. There was also unnamed female DNA found on Hae that goes against the theory that Jay and Adnan buried her alone. . Jen also worked at Garlands Garden 7- 10 minutes away from Woodlawn High and on route to the kindergarten school Hae was going to. It is possible Hae went there to pick up flowers (flowers were found in her car, she loved flowers and drew flowers everywhere in her diary), and met Jay who was there to get flowers for Stephanie’s birthday before dropping the car off to Adnan and flowers to Stephanie.

Btw, Stephanie never got her present that day and didn’t see Jay that day. In his 2014 Intercept interview, Jay referred to burying the body with Adnan with gardening tools. An interesting way to refer to shovels given we know Jen worked at a garden. Was it a slip of the tongue? Jen also looks like life has been very very tough for her. Guilty conscience?

Do you see how easy it is to create circumstantial evidence? I could easily convict Jen and Jay or Don in the same manner Adnan was using circumstantial evidence/hearsay.

Another detail people overlook besides the Korean caller, Jen and Jay , and Don and Adnan meet up is Haes car trouble. She had a new 1998 Nissan Centra with car trouble in Baltimore. Luckily, she was with Don the first time so she was able to get help but if her car broke down again after school, and she ran into a random killer, that is also a possibility. . The investigators did not look to see if Haes debit card was stolen or used. They did not check local gas station surveillance cameras to see if Haes car was being driven throughout the city. The investigation really overlooked alot.

What is Jen's motivation to kill Hae? Opportunity is insufficient.

If the cops fed Jay his story, why would the cops tell him to say gardening tools?

Jay mentioned gardening tools in 2014 , not with the cops. It’s a strange choice of words to refer to a shovel.

What was Jens motivation to call Hae annoying and stuck up and that Chinese or Korean girl? Strangulation is usually not premeditated. Strangulation is often a crime of passion typically done from anger and the need to torture /silence the victim. It takes a long time to actually die from strangulation. It’s very up close and personal. Hae had blows to the back of her head as well.


What would Adnans motive be? Anger she left him? He knew the relationship wasn’t gonna be forever anyway due to the religious difference. He wasn’t even supposed to be dating, and bought the phone so he could talk to girls without his mom eavesdropping on the calls. He was scared of his parents , and people ignore that Haes parents also didn’t want her talking to guys. She talked about friction with her mom and running away from
Home to California enough that her friends knew about it. That also is a cause for concern if you ask me


Did anyone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Rabia's explanation for Jay knowing the location of the car?

I think I remember her saying the police fed him that information.

[Anonymous]

Charges were dropped. I still think he knows what happened.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/state-attorney-drops-case-adnan-syed-connection-1999-murder-hae-min-le-rcna51649

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charges were dropped. I still think he knows what happened.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/state-attorney-drops-case-adnan-syed-connection-1999-murder-hae-min-le-rcna51649

Me too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Rabia's explanation for Jay knowing the location of the car?

I think I remember her saying the police fed him that information.

In the taped interviews between Jay and the police, you can hear when they ask a question, he pauses, you hear a tap tap tap on the table- as if they are showing him what to say or a map- and then he gives the answer.

[Anonymous]

Really hoping the press conference offers more details on the DNA evidence that excludes Syed. If that kind of DNA evidence existed all this time, surprising it wasn't put forward before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else watch the first episode of "The Case Against Adnan Syed" on HBO last night? I was enthralled with Serial a few years ago and I feel myself getting sucked back in.

After being overturned and it looking like he might get a new trial, Adnan's conviction was reinstated by Maryland's highest court on Friday.

I admittedly don't remember some of the details of the case as when I was fresh off listening to Serial
.

I listened to Serial and my opinion was that he charmed and manipulated the Serial producer and she spearheaded this whole campaign to rescue him. I believe he did it. I can't believe she fell for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else watch the first episode of "The Case Against Adnan Syed" on HBO last night? I was enthralled with Serial a few years ago and I feel myself getting sucked back in.

After being overturned and it looking like he might get a new trial, Adnan's conviction was reinstated by Maryland's highest court on Friday.

I admittedly don't remember some of the details of the case as when I was fresh off listening to Serial
.

I listened to Serial and my opinion was that he charmed and manipulated the Serial producer and she spearheaded this whole campaign to rescue him. I believe he did it. I can't believe she fell for him.

She didn’t though. Well she was charmed but knew that and she didn’t crusade for Adnan in any way and never said she believed he was innocent. That’s why Rabia hates Sarah and Serial so much. They didn’t push the narrative that Adnan must be 100% innocent like Rabia wanted.

[Anonymous]

DNA will clear him for good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else watch the first episode of "The Case Against Adnan Syed" on HBO last night? I was enthralled with Serial a few years ago and I feel myself getting sucked back in.

After being overturned and it looking like he might get a new trial, Adnan's conviction was reinstated by Maryland's highest court on Friday.

I admittedly don't remember some of the details of the case as when I was fresh off listening to Serial
.

I listened to Serial and my opinion was that he charmed and manipulated the Serial producer and she spearheaded this whole campaign to rescue him. I believe he did it. I can't believe she fell for him.

She didn’t spear head anything. It was his friend, Rabia, who has been working to free him for 23 years.

[Anonymous]

So there was a mix of DNA on her shoes, it did not match Adnan.

From what I've read of touch DNA, however, what's on her shoes could be just someone who transiently touched her shoes - perhaps any of her friends or someone she gave a ride to at any time, not necessarily the day of the murder. So if this doesn't match anyone, seems inconclusive and that's it.

They previously mentioned two suspects - does anyone think they actually have a lead such that they will arrest someone else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So there was a mix of DNA on her shoes, it did not match Adnan.

From what I've read of touch DNA, however, what's on her shoes could be just someone who transiently touched her shoes - perhaps any of her friends or someone she gave a ride to at any time, not necessarily the day of the murder. So if this doesn't match anyone, seems inconclusive and that's it.

They previously mentioned two suspects - does anyone think they actually have a lead such that they will arrest someone else?

Hopefully they compare the DNA to the two other suspects

[Anonymous]

I think Jay should be shaking in his boots.

My theory when I first heard Serial was that Jay killed her to protect his relationship with his then girlfriend. I don't remember her name (Stephanie or Stacey maybe?) at this point but I do remember I believed that because his gf was all Jay had going for him at the time.