UVA EA is out!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Man when I was applying to college a 3.6 (I don't think we had this unweighted/weighted business back then) and anything over a 1350 on the SAT would give you a chance of getting in. Now I feel old and am terrified for potential kids!

But there has been significant grade inflation in high school and the SAT has be recentered up a couple of times, so you would have to translate that score to what it would be today.

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Here are the stats from Cavalier Daily:

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2019/01/u-va-accepts-26-percent-of-early-action-applicants-for-class-of-2023

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that all the movement is in EA apps: 24,950 this year vs. 21, 573 last. RD apps stagnated at 15,854 this year vs. 15,632 last. We'll see if the yield drops with the increase in apps. EA is the better pool and these kids apparently feel they have to apply early to everything these days to have a chance. Wonder if in state EA numbers were up or if most or all of the increase was from out of state.

Students aspiring to highly selective schools apply EA to state flagship schools (whether in-state ot out-of-state) as a safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a third generation legacy with a 1560 SAT and a weighted 4.3, science olympiad, 6 IB classes, etc. was deferred.

I hope this is a troll because it would be depressing for DC in RD if not!

If your DC is in an IB school, you know that the number of IB courses isn't the same as getting the full diploma or having HLs in hard subjects. You could have 6 IB courses that are all standard level. That would not be an especially competitive curriculum.

If colleges think like you do, they definitely know little about IB. SL classes can be very rigorous, and at schools where there is no AP but only IB, there is a lot of incentive to ensure those SL courses are tough. They become the "most rigorous classes offered by your high school."

The IB diploma actually does allow three HL and three SL classes to achieve the full diploma.

Not here to start the old AP-IB debate, just noting that IB students not going for the full diploma can and do take both SL and HL courses a la carte just like the way other students take AP courses. I think you haven't seen the difference between IB SL and regular "honors" classes.

I didn't say SL wasn't rigorous, but that 6 SLs wouldn't be competitive at a school like UVA.

The college know the difference between SL and HL.

[Anonymous]

I wish I waited to apply RD to show my senior grades which are all A’s in 4 AP’s and 1 honor and 1 non honor because they don’t offer any honor option. Like another OP, my child’s private school doesn’t allow AP’s until junior year and really limits honors and AP’s. And only gives a half point bump for both. I never realized it would be a factor. The school is rigorous, but hard to weed out when you have that many applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that all the movement is in EA apps: 24,950 this year vs. 21, 573 last. RD apps stagnated at 15,854 this year vs. 15,632 last. We'll see if the yield drops with the increase in apps. EA is the better pool and these kids apparently feel they have to apply early to everything these days to have a chance. Wonder if in state EA numbers were up or if most or all of the increase was from out of state.

Students aspiring to highly selective schools apply EA to state flagship schools (whether in-state ot out-of-state) as a safety.

Agree. And take away a lot of spots to kids that would really like to go there. At least many end up at UVA because it is a great school. But so many state schools are getting increasingly difficult to get in and their yields are extremely low.

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Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

No. My dc who just got accepted into UVA had more A-s than As, a B-, a B and two B+s. Almost all of their classes were Honors and 10 were APs.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

In my DD's school (in Loudoun County), hardly anyone gets As in AP History courses. There are other scattered courses that are difficult to get As in, but AP history is notoriously difficult. So, even many of the top and brightest kids do not get straight As (if they are taking the most rigorous courses). Not sure how it is at other schools or other counties.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a third generation legacy with a 1560 SAT and a weighted 4.3, science olympiad, 6 IB classes, etc. was deferred.

I hope this is a troll because it would be depressing for DC in RD if not!

If your DC is in an IB school, you know that the number of IB courses isn't the same as getting the full diploma or having HLs in hard subjects. You could have 6 IB courses that are all standard level. That would not be an especially competitive curriculum.

If colleges think like you do, they definitely know little about IB. SL classes can be very rigorous, and at schools where there is no AP but only IB, there is a lot of incentive to ensure those SL courses are tough. They become the "most rigorous classes offered by your high school."

The IB diploma actually does allow three HL and three SL classes to achieve the full diploma.

Not here to start the old AP-IB debate, just noting that IB students not going for the full diploma can and do take both SL and HL courses a la carte just like the way other students take AP courses. I think you haven't seen the difference between IB SL and regular "honors" classes.

I didn't say SL wasn't rigorous, but that 6 SLs wouldn't be competitive at a school like UVA.

The college know the difference between SL and HL.

+1 For our IB high school, students who get into UVA or W&M generally either do the full IB diploma or close to it. For UVA there are students whose SAT scores vary, but virtually no students who have a weighted GPA below 4.2 and most above 4.4. (For W&M, there's more of a balance of GPA and SAT, though the average is still around 4.3 GPA and 1400 SAT). Taking some HLs matter as do taking the more serious IB courses (e.g., for Science--Chemistry, Physics or Biology; for social sciences/humanities: History of the Americas, Topics, Literature or Language & Literature, and higher level foreign language courses) at SL or HL.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

In my DD's school (in Loudoun County), hardly anyone gets As in AP History courses. There are other scattered courses that are difficult to get As in, but AP history is notoriously difficult. So, even many of the top and brightest kids do not get straight As (if they are taking the most rigorous courses). Not sure how it is at other schools or other counties.

In my DS's FCPS hs, less than 5% get Straight As, but the GPA reported is weighted so about 15-20% (depending on year) end up with a GPA above 4.0. (This was based on information from the counselor for a scholarship where DS needed to provide rank). The students most likely to get straight As are those that don't take AP courses.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

Not in private schools. They grade much harder.

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Accepted!
No-hooks affluent white male
In state, NOVA
1410/33
4.2 weighted gpa
Very rigorous courseload at underperforming public high school (over 50% free/reduced lunch)
One varsity sport and one other leadership extracurricular

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I waited to apply RD to show my senior grades which are all A’s in 4 AP’s and 1 honor and 1 non honor because they don’t offer any honor option. Like another OP, my child’s private school doesn’t allow AP’s until junior year and really limits honors and AP’s. And only gives a half point bump for both. I never realized it would be a factor. The school is rigorous, but hard to weed out when you have that many applicants.

It absolutely won’t be an issue with college admissions. The thing is is that your child’s regular classes are very rigorous so it doesn’t matter that your kid hasn’t take 16 AP’s. I guarantee you that the colleges know what kind of education your kid is receiving there.

My kid got into a top 5 University from a private school and she had taken only 5 - 6 AP’s at the most?
And *gasp* she had even gotten a B or two in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I waited to apply RD to show my senior grades which are all A’s in 4 AP’s and 1 honor and 1 non honor because they don’t offer any honor option. Like another OP, my child’s private school doesn’t allow AP’s until junior year and really limits honors and AP’s. And only gives a half point bump for both. I never realized it would be a factor. The school is rigorous, but hard to weed out when you have that many applicants.

It absolutely won’t be an issue with college admissions. The thing is is that your child’s regular classes are very rigorous so it doesn’t matter that your kid hasn’t take 16 AP’s. I guarantee you that the colleges know what kind of education your kid is receiving there.

My kid got into a top 5 University from a private school and she had taken only 5 - 6 AP’s at the most?
And *gasp* she had even gotten a B or two in high school.

One B freshman year, one B sophomore year. But then DD got top grades in the hardest classes when other kids’ grades started to fall off.
So, it’s not just @ straight stats.