Current CES class: only one kid got into a magnet MS

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I remember someone posting last year that MCPS did use gender and provided evidence to back their claim. Also, MCPS did admit that they knew the MS home school, which is obvious if they used peer cohort. I believe using gender is legal, but race is not.

No, it's not.

Do you have a link to support your claim? Gender was not mentioned in the court cases that determined race couldn't be used.

Title IX

How does that apply in balancing a program using gender? Title IX is gender discrimination.

Title IX is sex discrimination (which may or may not include gender, depending on the court case and the beliefs of the administration). Admitting/rejecting boys/girls because they are boys/girls is sex (or gender) discrimination.

But colleges do it all the time when they give preferences to males vs females in certain disciplines--not illegal. Isn't this what MCPS is doing?

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But colleges do it all the time when they give preferences to males vs females in certain disciplines--not illegal. Isn't this what MCPS is doing?

College admissions are different from public schools.

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But colleges do it all the time when they give preferences to males vs females in certain disciplines--not illegal. Isn't this what MCPS is doing?

College admissions are different from public schools.

Yes, but you still haven't explained how Title IX applies in the case of K-12 that is different from colleges. Again, provide documentation that explains how MCPS can't use gender. Seems like they did it openly and I would think they have lawyers to tell them not to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child is at a local CES and nobody talked openly about magnet admissions at school yesterday, so my child has no idea how many got in. How do you all have any idea how many got in at this point? Back during the CES selection process (before our school was designated a local CES), my child only heard of 2 children from our school who were chosen for the regional CES, but later, at a parent meeting, someone from AEI mentioned that due to the fact that our school would be a local CES, 6 spots were opening up for students in the waitpool for the regional CES, so obviously children were offered spots without my child knowing about it. I doubt anyone truly knows how many/which classmates were offered magnet seats.

Interesting.

My CES DC came home yesterday and said everyone was talking about it, and only 3 kids from their class got offered a spot. When my older DC was in an HGC I think probably 2/3 or more of the class got into one of the magnets.

Clearly when you have more students being assessed the chances are going to go down for any individual child. I'm disappointed only that my younger DC won't get some of the fabulous teachers my older DC had in middle school (and won't get to take one of the magnet courses that is not offered at local school) but I trust there will be some excellent teachers in the local middle school. Also DC's group of friends are all going to the local middle school together so that is helpful.

MCPS needs to step up its game and offer truly advanced work at more middle schools.

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This was just added to the MCPS website:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/middle/Magnet%20FAQs%202019(5).pdf


Talking about the process this year and answering some of the questions posed here...

[Anonymous]

The above link doesn't seem to work, but you can access to the PDF from the MCPS Special Programs page.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/

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But colleges do it all the time when they give preferences to males vs females in certain disciplines--not illegal. Isn't this what MCPS is doing?

College admissions are different from public schools.

Yes, but you still haven't explained how Title IX applies in the case of K-12 that is different from colleges. Again, provide documentation that explains how MCPS can't use gender. Seems like they did it openly and I would think they have lawyers to tell them not to.

You can Google.

I have never seen any document where MCPS says that sex/gender is a factor in admissions. Have you?

[Anonymous]

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But colleges do it all the time when they give preferences to males vs females in certain disciplines--not illegal. Isn't this what MCPS is doing?

College admissions are different from public schools.

Yes, but you still haven't explained how Title IX applies in the case of K-12 that is different from colleges. Again, provide documentation that explains how MCPS can't use gender. Seems like they did it openly and I would think they have lawyers to tell them not to.

You can Google.

I have never seen any document where MCPS says that sex/gender is a factor in admissions. Have you?

Yes, I mentioned earlier and someone just posted they say it to on a Powerpoint on the MCPS website about the process. Also, I did google and there is nothing that supports your argument. The dept of Education states that gender can be used if in response to bias/discrimination. Therefore, if there is a bias towards girls in STEM, then schools can gender balance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

But colleges do it all the time when they give preferences to males vs females in certain disciplines--not illegal. Isn't this what MCPS is doing?

College admissions are different from public schools.

Yes, but you still haven't explained how Title IX applies in the case of K-12 that is different from colleges. Again, provide documentation that explains how MCPS can't use gender. Seems like they did it openly and I would think they have lawyers to tell them not to.

You can Google.

I have never seen any document where MCPS says that sex/gender is a factor in admissions. Have you?

Yes, I mentioned earlier and someone just posted they say it to on a Powerpoint on the MCPS website about the process. Also, I did google and there is nothing that supports your argument. The dept of Education states that gender can be used if in response to bias/discrimination. Therefore, if there is a bias towards girls in STEM, then schools can gender balance.

*saw it too

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Yes, I mentioned earlier and someone just posted they say it to on a Powerpoint on the MCPS website about the process. Also, I did google and there is nothing that supports your argument. The dept of Education states that gender can be used if in response to bias/discrimination. Therefore, if there is a bias towards girls in STEM, then schools can gender balance.

Link please?

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DP.
Here's a CES Powepoint presentation - but the same principles apply to MS selection.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/CES%20Selection.PDF

The process for selection is race-neutral, name and school blind. Profiles will denote gender.
Slide #4.

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Yes, I mentioned earlier and someone just posted they say it to on a Powerpoint on the MCPS website about the process. Also, I did google and there is nothing that supports your argument. The dept of Education states that gender can be used if in response to bias/discrimination. Therefore, if there is a bias towards girls in STEM, then schools can gender balance.

Link please?

I just gave you the link for CES selection.I don't see why MS magnet selection would be any different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP.
Here's a CES Powepoint presentation - but the same principles apply to MS selection.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/CES%20Selection.PDF

The process for selection is race-neutral, name and school blind. Profiles will denote gender.
Slide #4.

Thank you! And I have it in my notes from the MS meeting but couldn't use that as evidence.

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Yes, I mentioned earlier and someone just posted they say it to on a Powerpoint on the MCPS website about the process. Also, I did google and there is nothing that supports your argument. The dept of Education states that gender can be used if in response to bias/discrimination. Therefore, if there is a bias towards girls in STEM, then schools can gender balance.

Link please?

I just gave you the link for CES selection.I don't see why MS magnet selection would be any different.

We KNOW that MS magnet selection is different from CES selection.

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Yes, I mentioned earlier and someone just posted they say it to on a Powerpoint on the MCPS website about the process. Also, I did google and there is nothing that supports your argument. The dept of Education states that gender can be used if in response to bias/discrimination. Therefore, if there is a bias towards girls in STEM, then schools can gender balance.

Link please?

I just gave you the link for CES selection.I don't see why MS magnet selection would be any different.

We KNOW that MS magnet selection is different from CES selection.

DP, only major difference was cohort. You are arguing with 2 posters with no evidence on your part. Using gender in this case is not illegal. I asked in person and the MCPS rep said gender was a factor. If it was illegal, they couldn't use it at the CES level.