Expensive wine is gross and overrated

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All kinds of blind

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All kinds of blind taste tests with wine experts have proven that it's all bs. I'm with you op. Drink what you like.

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Anonymous wrote:We opened our "expensive" bottle of wine and it just isn't any good. This is pretty much always the case every time I drink some very special or expensive old red wine.

When you people obsess over fancy wines and pretend they are so good, who are you trying to impress? Are you worried the upper class police are going to ask to see your papers, out you as a fraud, and banish you to a trailer park?

There is literally no reason to pay more than $10 for a bottle of wine

Your self-worth is grossly overrated, my friend

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People learn how to enjoy fancy wine because either (1) they grew up poor and want to fit in with the upper class or (2) they grew up upper class and need to find a way to feel superior to poor people

cultivating a taste that only makes you spend more money and also no longer enjoy regular wines that your friends may serve you is just dumb

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The pride that the ignorant now take in their ignorance is really staggering.

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Drink what you like. Certainly. However just because in your limited experience you have not personally tasted a >$20 bottle of wine you personally liked to enough that you would spend your money on it doesn’t mean that no such thing exists nor that others shouldn’t also....drink what they like. It necessarily goes both ways, no?

I have tasted good in expensive wines and good expensive wines. I have tasted bad inexpensive wines and bad expensive wines. Both good and bad come in a range of prices. I don’t think there beat <$20 bottle I have tasted is comparable at all to, say, the best >$100 wine so to me sometimes a more expensive bottle is worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:All kinds of blind taste tests with wine experts have proven that it's all bs. I'm with you op. Drink what you like.

No, they really haven't. My DH and I could teach OP to distinguish between a nice French Pinot and Apothic Red in a week. And it would be fun! She might prefer Apothic in the end, but the difference would be clear. It's Katy Perry vs. Beyonce ...

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Town and Country magazine just had a piece on wine that sold at auction for about $500k per bottle. $80,000 glass of wine... amazing what people will do with their money. I'd be so nervous I'd spill it for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Town and Country magazine just had a piece on wine that sold at auction for about $500k per bottle. $80,000 glass of wine... amazing what people will do with their money. I'd be so nervous I'd spill it for sure.

No one is drinking that wine.
It's bought for investment purposes, like art, or coins, or stamps.

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Anonymous wrote:People learn how to enjoy fancy wine because either (1) they grew up poor and want to fit in with the upper class or (2) they grew up upper class and need to find a way to feel superior to poor people

cultivating a taste that only makes you spend more money and also no longer enjoy regular wines that your friends may serve you is just dumb

Or because, you know, they like how it tastes?
Just because you don't have a refined palate doesn't mean others don't.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have the palate either, but that doesn't mean I write off all the people that do.

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Drink what you like. Certainly. However just because in your limited experience you have not personally tasted a >$20 bottle of wine you personally liked to enough that you would spend your money on it doesn’t mean that no such thing exists nor that others shouldn’t also....drink what they like. It necessarily goes both ways, no?

I have tasted good in expensive wines and good expensive wines. I have tasted bad inexpensive wines and bad expensive wines. Both good and bad come in a range of prices. I don’t think there beat <$20 bottle I have tasted is comparable at all to, say, the best >$100 wine so to me sometimes a more expensive bottle is worth it.

I feel like both sides of this debate are misconstruing the studies. They don't stand for the proposition that certain expensive wines are not "winners," and it may be that most of the best wines are indeed "expensive," however that is defined. And of course any expert can distinguish between types of wine, regardless. They just indicate that on average expensive wines were not rated more highly than cheap wines. And I'm pretty sure that even "cheap" was >$10 so no one was talking about 2 buck chuck. It really just means that PPs that claim that their taste buds just cannot bear any $15 swill and "you must spend at least $50 for good wine" are full of it!

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Drink what you like. Certainly. However just because in your limited experience you have not personally tasted a >$20 bottle of wine you personally liked to enough that you would spend your money on it doesn’t mean that no such thing exists nor that others shouldn’t also....drink what they like. It necessarily goes both ways, no?

I have tasted good in expensive wines and good expensive wines. I have tasted bad inexpensive wines and bad expensive wines. Both good and bad come in a range of prices. I don’t think there beat <$20 bottle I have tasted is comparable at all to, say, the best >$100 wine so to me sometimes a more expensive bottle is worth it.

I feel like both sides of this debate are misconstruing the studies. They don't stand for the proposition that certain expensive wines are not "winners," and it may be that most of the best wines are indeed "expensive," however that is defined. And of course any expert can distinguish between types of wine, regardless. They just indicate that on average expensive wines were not rated more highly than cheap wines. And I'm pretty sure that even "cheap" was >$10 so no one was talking about 2 buck chuck. It really just means that PPs that claim that their taste buds just cannot bear any $15 swill and "you must spend at least $50 for good wine" are full of it!

Eh, those were all bullsh*t social science or psychology experiments, probably not replicable at all.

Nobody who actually knows wine will dispute that there are bad $50 bottles and good $15 bottles. But they will correctly say that most $10 bottles are undrinkable, and that the better wines (the really good ones) are in the more expensive range.

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Anonymous wrote:This is nonsense. I am totally spoiled by expensive wine - my brother is a wine buyer for a chain of specialty wine stores, and through him I have got to drink wines costing hundreds of dollars. Would I personally pay hundreds of dollars for a bottle of wine? No. Is there a difference in taste and quality between those and a $10 bottle. 100% yes. I would not say that the difference in taste and quality is necessarily in proportion to the difference in price - a $200 bottle is not necessarily 20 times better than the $10 bottle. But there are sweet spots - lesser known regions, specific vineyards, etc - where you can find the value points and find wines which cost maybe $40 a bottle but taste as good as some of the $200 bottles.
Anyway - I never ever drink cheap wine now, it tastes awful to me. If I'm in a restaurant a quick text or photo of the wine list to my brother is usually helpful (he's more reliable than the Vivino app - which I recommend if you don't have access to my bro!) and he's able to select something for me based on what he knows I like and would want to spend.

can you recommend some good red wines, in the $30-$50 range?
thanks!

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Op again.

While you do not need to pay for extra wine, you should at least have a basic knowledge of wines for interacting with wine snobs..

My mom is kind of a wine snob and my MIL likes almost over the top sweet wines and I can sense the silent judgement

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Anonymous wrote:Op again.

While you do not need to pay for extra wine, you should at least have a basic knowledge of wines for interacting with wine snobs..

My mom is kind of a wine snob and my MIL likes almost over the top sweet wines and I can sense the silent judgement

Or we could just not care what the wine snobs think. Or what any kind of snobs think, for that matter.