Is Division 1 really a worthwhile goal?

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

It is probably for the best you decided for your kids that you couldn't get beyond your own anxieties and prejudices. I wouldn't the other parents to have had to deal with someone like you as another team parent.

However, my mom sounded like you. For years I believed I wasn't athletic, because she didn't want to deal with the "nightmare" of travel sports. As an adult, on my own, I have discovered that in fact I am quite athletic. And I will always wonder what could have been. For my own kids, I went a different path. I tried really hard not to put my own preconceived notions and my own anxieties on my kids, but instead tried to allow them to flourish and find their own path. I also tried to keep an open mind about their interests, even when I didn't get it (see: dance).

FWIW I have a much better relationship with my teens (part of that through travel sports) than I had with my mom as a teenager. And they're appreciative of what we've done for them. And I've discovered that some of my preconceived notions were really off. Dance moms are really nice. Children's theater performances aren't universally painful to watch. Watching your kid excel in something you'd never try is a gift. I am so glad I didn't let my own prejudices block them. It's been a wonderful experience and I'm going to miss it when the last one goes to college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

It is probably for the best you decided for your kids that you couldn't get beyond your own anxieties and prejudices. I wouldn't the other parents to have had to deal with someone like you as another team parent.

However, my mom sounded like you. For years I believed I wasn't athletic, because she didn't want to deal with the "nightmare" of travel sports. As an adult, on my own, I have discovered that in fact I am quite athletic. And I will always wonder what could have been. For my own kids, I went a different path. I tried really hard not to put my own preconceived notions and my own anxieties on my kids, but instead tried to allow them to flourish and find their own path. I also tried to keep an open mind about their interests, even when I didn't get it (see: dance).

FWIW I have a much better relationship with my teens (part of that through travel sports) than I had with my mom as a teenager. And they're appreciative of what we've done for them. And I've discovered that some of my preconceived notions were really off. Dance moms are really nice. Children's theater performances aren't universally painful to watch. Watching your kid excel in something you'd never try is a gift. I am so glad I didn't let my own prejudices block them. It's been a wonderful experience and I'm going to miss it when the last one goes to college.

LOL. Ask my (now grown) kids if they're actually athletic and it's all their mom's fault that they didn't play travel sports and watch them laugh. I didn't decide that my kids "couldn't get beyond [my] anxieties and prejudices." I was just blessed that they weren't athletic because it freed up all of our weekends! And sorry to disappoint but we all get along great as adults. And, yes, I'm sure you'll miss it when the last goes to college, because that's what happens when you build your entire life around something so inconsequential and fleeting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

It is probably for the best you decided for your kids that you couldn't get beyond your own anxieties and prejudices. I wouldn't the other parents to have had to deal with someone like you as another team parent.

However, my mom sounded like you. For years I believed I wasn't athletic, because she didn't want to deal with the "nightmare" of travel sports. As an adult, on my own, I have discovered that in fact I am quite athletic. And I will always wonder what could have been. For my own kids, I went a different path. I tried really hard not to put my own preconceived notions and my own anxieties on my kids, but instead tried to allow them to flourish and find their own path. I also tried to keep an open mind about their interests, even when I didn't get it (see: dance).

FWIW I have a much better relationship with my teens (part of that through travel sports) than I had with my mom as a teenager. And they're appreciative of what we've done for them. And I've discovered that some of my preconceived notions were really off. Dance moms are really nice. Children's theater performances aren't universally painful to watch. Watching your kid excel in something you'd never try is a gift. I am so glad I didn't let my own prejudices block them. It's been a wonderful experience and I'm going to miss it when the last one goes to college.

LOL. Ask my (now grown) kids if they're actually athletic and it's all their mom's fault that they didn't play travel sports and watch them laugh. I didn't decide that my kids "couldn't get beyond [my] anxieties and prejudices." I was just blessed that they weren't athletic because it freed up all of our weekends! And sorry to disappoint but we all get along great as adults. And, yes, I'm sure you'll miss it when the last goes to college, because that's what happens when you build your entire life around something so inconsequential and fleeting.

Who hurt you?

[Anonymous]

I think (hope) that PP is a troll. Otherwise I find I feel more sorry for her kids every time she posts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

It is probably for the best you decided for your kids that you couldn't get beyond your own anxieties and prejudices. I wouldn't the other parents to have had to deal with someone like you as another team parent.

However, my mom sounded like you. For years I believed I wasn't athletic, because she didn't want to deal with the "nightmare" of travel sports. As an adult, on my own, I have discovered that in fact I am quite athletic. And I will always wonder what could have been. For my own kids, I went a different path. I tried really hard not to put my own preconceived notions and my own anxieties on my kids, but instead tried to allow them to flourish and find their own path. I also tried to keep an open mind about their interests, even when I didn't get it (see: dance).

FWIW I have a much better relationship with my teens (part of that through travel sports) than I had with my mom as a teenager. And they're appreciative of what we've done for them. And I've discovered that some of my preconceived notions were really off. Dance moms are really nice. Children's theater performances aren't universally painful to watch. Watching your kid excel in something you'd never try is a gift. I am so glad I didn't let my own prejudices block them. It's been a wonderful experience and I'm going to miss it when the last one goes to college.

LOL. Ask my (now grown) kids if they're actually athletic and it's all their mom's fault that they didn't play travel sports and watch them laugh. I didn't decide that my kids "couldn't get beyond [my] anxieties and prejudices." I was just blessed that they weren't athletic because it freed up all of our weekends! And sorry to disappoint but we all get along great as adults. And, yes, I'm sure you'll miss it when the last goes to college, because that's what happens when you build your entire life around something so inconsequential and fleeting.

And it begs the question of why are you on this forum then?

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:I also joke with fellow parents that we're all lucky our kids don't play at a level that requires a ton of travel and, more worryingly, a whole bunch of political nonsense, as you can see on these forums.

But I don't know why that question was raised in a discussion on Division 1 soccer. A general travel thread, sure, but why here?

The only relevance I could see is this -- you have to make sure this is something you enjoy, preferably as a family but at LEAST something your DC loves. If you love it and want to play at as high a level as you can, great. If you're going into it saying, "This is our ticket to an Ivy League school or a partial scholarship to American" without really loving the game, I'd question your priorities.

Hi, OP here.

I raised the issue because I was getting tired of people boasting about their club's D1 commits as some sort of "proof" they were at a good soccer club. I just don't see a kid in a D1 school as proof a club has the ability to develop a player to their highest level. The level of soccer intelligence and technical skills I've seen in D1 are not that high and these are some of the things I'd expect clubs to be developing (instead of just relying on pure athleticism).

There are clubs in Europe that are developing much better players and I don't really see D1players at the same level, such that the boast this club has XX D1 commits doesn't really seem like that great of a selling point as people seem to make it out to be.

But it has been a very interesting thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I think (hope) that PP is a troll. Otherwise I find I feel more sorry for her kids every time she posts.

Anyone who comes on a thread about D1 vs pro soccer to proclaim that she finds the idea of traveling to sports events with her kids to be "gruesome" is either a moron, a troll, or both. I'd suggest people ignore any follow ups.

Back on topic, for the PP above who was asking what percentage of players end up with full rides, why is that relevant? You don't think it's valuable to get a 10% discount? What about 25%, 50%, or 75%? What about an admissions boost to a school with a low acceptance rate?

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:I also joke with fellow parents that we're all lucky our kids don't play at a level that requires a ton of travel and, more worryingly, a whole bunch of political nonsense, as you can see on these forums.

But I don't know why that question was raised in a discussion on Division 1 soccer. A general travel thread, sure, but why here?

The only relevance I could see is this -- you have to make sure this is something you enjoy, preferably as a family but at LEAST something your DC loves. If you love it and want to play at as high a level as you can, great. If you're going into it saying, "This is our ticket to an Ivy League school or a partial scholarship to American" without really loving the game, I'd question your priorities.

Hi, OP here.

I raised the issue because I was getting tired of people boasting about their club's D1 commits as some sort of "proof" they were at a good soccer club. I just don't see a kid in a D1 school as proof a club has the ability to develop a player to their highest level. The level of soccer intelligence and technical skills I've seen in D1 are not that high and these are some of the things I'd expect clubs to be developing (instead of just relying on pure athleticism).

There are clubs in Europe that are developing much better players and I don't really see D1players at the same level, such that the boast this club has XX D1 commits doesn't really seem like that great of a selling point as people seem to make it out to be.

But it has been a very interesting thread.

Well, clubs that develop pro players and/or national team players boast about that too. It's just that there aren't so many players in this category, so most clubs are just left to boast about college commits. As you can see from reading this thread, it's not easy to make it to the D1 level, and playing D1 with or without a significant scholarship is definitely "worthwhile" for most of the kids who do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

Then why are you on a message board that predominately discusses travel soccer?

Because I got on DCUM and saw that one of the recent topics was "Is Division 1 really a worthwhile goal?" and I chose to offer my personal opinion on the subject. I guess one can only respond if the answer is yes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

Then why are you on a message board that predominately discusses travel soccer?

Because I got on DCUM and saw that one of the recent topics was "Is Division 1 really a worthwhile goal?" and I chose to offer my personal opinion on the subject. I guess one can only respond if the answer is yes?

DP. I think the answer is no, and simultaneously think that you sound like a miserable person. You can say no to the question asked without coming across as an angry control freak.

That having been said, you do exemplify my experience across years of different types of activities with different kids, which is that the absolute craziest parents are in the rec leagues or supposedly non-competitive levels of anything. I once saw a mom like you scream at a three-year-old who cheered when his big brother got his first and only basket: "This is a non-competitive league!!! Stop cheering!!!!"

Totally bonkers.

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

Then why are you on a message board that predominately discusses travel soccer?

Because I got on DCUM and saw that one of the recent topics was "Is Division 1 really a worthwhile goal?" and I chose to offer my personal opinion on the subject. I guess one can only respond if the answer is yes?

But you have no kids playing sports to have a valid opinion and your glee at having “non-athletic” kids means that D1 sports is really not a relevant topic of interest to you. So, yes you are a troll. You have offered nothing of value to the topic so I’d recommend you move on as you have derailed the thread enough already.

[Anonymous]

Some of us don't want to raise nerdy kids that sit at home all day watching Jeopardy and reruns of its academic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

It is probably for the best you decided for your kids that you couldn't get beyond your own anxieties and prejudices. I wouldn't the other parents to have had to deal with someone like you as another team parent.

However, my mom sounded like you. For years I believed I wasn't athletic, because she didn't want to deal with the "nightmare" of travel sports. As an adult, on my own, I have discovered that in fact I am quite athletic. And I will always wonder what could have been. For my own kids, I went a different path. I tried really hard not to put my own preconceived notions and my own anxieties on my kids, but instead tried to allow them to flourish and find their own path. I also tried to keep an open mind about their interests, even when I didn't get it (see: dance).

FWIW I have a much better relationship with my teens (part of that through travel sports) than I had with my mom as a teenager. And they're appreciative of what we've done for them. And I've discovered that some of my preconceived notions were really off. Dance moms are really nice. Children's theater performances aren't universally painful to watch. Watching your kid excel in something you'd never try is a gift. I am so glad I didn't let my own prejudices block them. It's been a wonderful experience and I'm going to miss it when the last one goes to college.

LOL. Ask my (now grown) kids if they're actually athletic and it's all their mom's fault that they didn't play travel sports and watch them laugh. I didn't decide that my kids "couldn't get beyond [my] anxieties and prejudices." I was just blessed that they weren't athletic because it freed up all of our weekends! And sorry to disappoint but we all get along great as adults. And, yes, I'm sure you'll miss it when the last goes to college, because that's what happens when you build your entire life around something so inconsequential and fleeting.

My teenage daughter and I spend a lot of our time on weekends dealing with music. We go to music stores. We go to concerts. We go to places she's heard someone is playing she wants to see. We'll drop in to places with live music, just because. There's a local bar that has live music that we go to all the time. She'll ask me to play something for her. She'll play something for me. We'll noodle out a tune to figure out how it's played.

When she goes off to college, I'm going to miss this. I don't think it's inconsequential and fleeting, and I don't think it's different from sports (she used to play club/travel but stopped when she started high school and now plays high school sports).

I think it's odd that you apparently don't have a connection with your children that you recognize is going to be quite different as they age. My husband and daughter connect deeply on photography. He's going to miss being able to do that so easily when she leaves. My son cooks dinner with me almost every night, and often puts together his own dishes. I'm going to miss that when he leaves home. Sports are just another connection. And any activity which involves travel gives a somewhat unique opportunity to bond with your child. When my DD and I go away for a weekend to see a concert, we have each other's attention for the whole weekend. She's not "interrupting" me in the middle of taking care of household tasks, and I'm not "irritating" her when she's in the middle of homework. We're on neutral ground, doing something we're enjoying, together. It's quite a bit different from taking a few hours off on a saturday to go to a local museum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Our kids were terrible at sports and we were so thrilled about it. No travel teams etc to ruin our weekends. We were quite happy to full pay for the elite colleges that they all went to, we could easily afford it, and it was all so stress free. We always felt sorry for parents whose lives revolved around their kids' athletic pursuits. It's all so fleeting for the vast majority, then what?

I don't know why anyone would be thrilled that their kids are terrible at something, especially something pretty central to the human spirit. Sports at all levels are wonderful for what they are - a chance to compete, challenge one's self, develop friendships, teamwork, get exercise, use this amazing body that we've been given. Many adults play sports for these same reasons. It's fun! And anyone can play sports, even non athletic types.

I was thrilled because we didn't have to spend endless gruesome weekends traveling to god knows where and dealing with sports obsessed parents. That's why. The kids did county league non=travel sports with other non-athletic kids and their friends and got their exercise and jollies that way. I couldn't imagine having to deal with the whole travel thing. Sounds like a total nightmare.

It is probably for the best you decided for your kids that you couldn't get beyond your own anxieties and prejudices. I wouldn't the other parents to have had to deal with someone like you as another team parent.

However, my mom sounded like you. For years I believed I wasn't athletic, because she didn't want to deal with the "nightmare" of travel sports. As an adult, on my own, I have discovered that in fact I am quite athletic. And I will always wonder what could have been. For my own kids, I went a different path. I tried really hard not to put my own preconceived notions and my own anxieties on my kids, but instead tried to allow them to flourish and find their own path. I also tried to keep an open mind about their interests, even when I didn't get it (see: dance).

FWIW I have a much better relationship with my teens (part of that through travel sports) than I had with my mom as a teenager. And they're appreciative of what we've done for them. And I've discovered that some of my preconceived notions were really off. Dance moms are really nice. Children's theater performances aren't universally painful to watch. Watching your kid excel in something you'd never try is a gift. I am so glad I didn't let my own prejudices block them. It's been a wonderful experience and I'm going to miss it when the last one goes to college.

LOL. Ask my (now grown) kids if they're actually athletic and it's all their mom's fault that they didn't play travel sports and watch them laugh. I didn't decide that my kids "couldn't get beyond [my] anxieties and prejudices." I was just blessed that they weren't athletic because it freed up all of our weekends! And sorry to disappoint but we all get along great as adults. And, yes, I'm sure you'll miss it when the last goes to college, because that's what happens when you build your entire life around something so inconsequential and fleeting.

My teenage daughter and I spend a lot of our time on weekends dealing with music. We go to music stores. We go to concerts. We go to places she's heard someone is playing she wants to see. We'll drop in to places with live music, just because. There's a local bar that has live music that we go to all the time. She'll ask me to play something for her. She'll play something for me. We'll noodle out a tune to figure out how it's played.

When she goes off to college, I'm going to miss this. I don't think it's inconsequential and fleeting, and I don't think it's different from sports (she used to play club/travel but stopped when she started high school and now plays high school sports).

I think it's odd that you apparently don't have a connection with your children that you recognize is going to be quite different as they age. My husband and daughter connect deeply on photography. He's going to miss being able to do that so easily when she leaves. My son cooks dinner with me almost every night, and often puts together his own dishes. I'm going to miss that when he leaves home. Sports are just another connection. And any activity which involves travel gives a somewhat unique opportunity to bond with your child. When my DD and I go away for a weekend to see a concert, we have each other's attention for the whole weekend. She's not "interrupting" me in the middle of taking care of household tasks, and I'm not "irritating" her when she's in the middle of homework. We're on neutral ground, doing something we're enjoying, together. It's quite a bit different from taking a few hours off on a saturday to go to a local museum.

+1

You are right (and sound like an excellent parent) but I don't think probable-troll PP has enough of a connection to her kids to understand that kind of relationship.

[Anonymous]

dumb question. Is playing sports worthwhile?