New US News rankings are out

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Anonymous wrote:These rankings are a joke. Illinois ranked above Wisconsin? All the smart Chicago kids would rather go to Madison than Urbana Champaign.

but that is a measure of popularity, not the quality of the school.

Wisconsin is a much stronger brand.

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Anonymous wrote:George Mason is surging ahead at 136!

Yeah. Of course it's been "up and coming" for many, many years.

It’ll get to 115 someday.

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When you have four ties at number three, two ties at number eight, followed by two more ties at number ten, number twelve, number fourteen and number sixteen ending in four ties at number Twenty two and the total score difference between number one and number ten is just ten points, you know that this ranking like all other reasons is just nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have four ties at number three, two ties at number eight, followed by two more ties at number ten, number twelve, number fourteen and number sixteen ending in four ties at number Twenty two and the total score difference between number one and number ten is just ten points, you know that this ranking like all other reasons is just nonsensical.

It's like the people that rank the school are not very bright. Come to think of it US news seems to have failed in their chosen news business.

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What a year for NYU! Ranked number 30 now and, in another area, free med school for the world’s luckiest medical students. Rolling in dough.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have four ties at number three, two ties at number eight, followed by two more ties at number ten, number twelve, number fourteen and number sixteen ending in four ties at number Twenty two and the total score difference between number one and number ten is just ten points, you know that this ranking like all other reasons is just nonsensical.

It's like the people that rank the school are not very bright. Come to think of it US news seems to have failed in their chosen news business.

It’s still the gold standard. Many a DMV mommy will look at these and say, nope, sorry, you’re not applying there.

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So I generally think USNWR rankings are BS.

That said, I do give them props for taking out acceptance rate. They finally realized what a BS measure of quality that is.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is obviously the crown jewel in the DMV

Except you know - mofo Hopkins

And Georgetown. But hey, counting to three is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:The metrics used by USNews is junk now. Social Mobility as measured by graduation rate of Pell Grant recipients?!!! Total BS!!
They have also removed admit rate completely and lowered the weight for scores and class rank. They just randomly adjust these percentages or weights and tweak them till they get the answer they want. Pathetic.

+1. It's downright silly. USNews rankings just jumped the shark...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is obviously the crown jewel in the DMV

Except you know - mofo Hopkins

And Georgetown. But hey, counting to three is hard.

And in every world ranking UMCP

And Annapolis by any reasonable measure.

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Anonymous wrote:These rankings are a joke. Illinois ranked above Wisconsin? All the smart Chicago kids would rather go to Madison than Urbana Champaign.

but that is a measure of popularity, not the quality of the school.

Wisconsin is a much higher quality school. Everyone but UWNWR thinks so.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These rankings are a joke. Illinois ranked above Wisconsin? All the smart Chicago kids would rather go to Madison than Urbana Champaign.

but that is a measure of popularity, not the quality of the school.

Wisconsin is a much higher quality school. Everyone but UWNWR thinks so.

Actually the Illinois incoming SAT scores are much higher than Wisconsin. Let's face it the manipulated ranking lists don't mean much. Incoming SAT and ACT scores are the only objective measures of how "smart" a college is.

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Anonymous wrote:The ties are bullshit.

CHicago and Columbia are not on yale’s Level in the slightest.

Actually, ties/tiers are more realistic than rank-ordering. Among the CHYMPS schools, which is best depends on what you’re looking for. In one sense, PP is arguably right, though — Yale has some catching up to do before it’s on the same level as Chicago and Columbia in (many/most?) STEM fields. But they’re working on it: https://yalecollege.yale.edu/yale-college-experience/science-yale-college

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Anonymous wrote:What a year for NYU! Ranked number 30 now and, in another area, free med school for the world’s luckiest medical students. Rolling in dough.

Um, I believe it was ranked 30 last year, too.

That said, I agree that NYU is a great school that is on the rise. It also ranks high (26 or 27?) in the WSJ rankings, which IMO uses better metrics than USNWR. It's one of very few schools (maybe 3 or 4) that are in the top 100 on all four WSJ measures of quality: outcomes, resources, engagement and environment. (Many of the Ivies and other elites have lower engagement scores, which measure student satisfaction.) Admit rate also dropped dramatically for class of 2022, from 28% last year to 19% this year.

Yes, I'm biased--my DD attends. And she LOVES it.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary dropped a few spots to 38. UVA, prestigious, stayed at 25. Maryland is somewhere in the 60s. Chuckle.

William and Mary tumbled to 38. It is now a worse ranked school than Florida. It (William and Mary) is in desperate shape—stagnant number of applications, poor resources, and very few male applicants.

I disagree that this shift is all that meaningful. It is ranked #10 of national public colleges. As USNWR tweaks its methodology, a school like W&M which is a public school with a small handful of grad programs, but primarily operates like a private liberal arts college, can fall slightly fall in cracks due to its idiosyncrasy. It's been a top-notch school for its long history and nothing is really changing on that. (I say this with no special bias--not an alum, no kids there).