Bethesda vs Kensington

[Anonymous]

OP
If you want actual data on the schools you are considering here are two resources:

Schools at a glance reports are available here:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

Detailed report on SAT scores and participation rate broken down by high school and also by various groups within each school is available here. It is a long report but worth paying attention to some of the tables, notably the appendix starting page 13:

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Student population is booming in the southern and eastern parts of the county where they are approving lots of in-fill development. All the schools are overcrowded and they need to send kids N and W for high school because there’s no cheap land large enough to build new high schools in that area.

Isn't BCC the only HS in the Southern part of the county?

If you define southern part of the county as inside the beltway.

You mean if you define southern as being south where they're building all that new housing.

They're building plenty of new housing in the southern part of the county outside the beltway too, and B-CC is far from the only high school affected.

[Anonymous]

OP - You are looking at some of the most segregated parts of the county, and seem determined to limit your search to those schools. That's fine, although it will be a stretch to get what you are looking for at that cost point with that level of segregation.

But your casual invocation of conventional wisdom like "The new high school won't be as good" belies your stated desire for a school that is diverse and values hard work.

You are either a troll and not really moving to the area, or you have been reading WAY too much DCUM. Woodward will be FINE, and the only reason people think it might not be is that it would bve slightly Blacker and browner than other schools in that part of the county.

Oh, and take care when folks talk about their schools as a "mini United Nations" and know what that means. It means a very small subset of tolerable People of Color, all of whom were educated at the same 5 universities, and have therefore proven they are allowed to hang out with the white folks.

[Anonymous]

OP, I’m sure at this point you are wondering why you asked the question. I’ll just let you know since you are new to the area that people’s perceptions of “good” in terms of GreatSchools rankings and tests scores in this area corresponds literally 100% to the percentage of white students in the school. So when you say you’re only looking for good schools, we hear you only want the 5 high schools in the county that’s are majority white (there are a total of 25 high schools in the county). And when you say you hear that Woodward won’t be as good, what we hear is that you have read it won’t be as white. I KNOW this is not your intent, but this is a huge issue in our system that you naturally wouldn’t be aware of coming from Seattle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m sure at this point you are wondering why you asked the question. I’ll just let you know since you are new to the area that people’s perceptions of “good” in terms of GreatSchools rankings and tests scores in this area corresponds literally 100% to the percentage of white students in the school. So when you say you’re only looking for good schools, we hear you only want the 5 high schools in the county that’s are majority white (there are a total of 25 high schools in the county). And when you say you hear that Woodward won’t be as good, what we hear is that you have read it won’t be as white. I KNOW this is not your intent, but this is a huge issue in our system that you naturally wouldn’t be aware of coming from Seattle.

The high schools that w eremajority white in MCPS last year were Whitman (67%), B-CC (57%), Damascus (56%), Walter Johnson (54%), and Poolesville (51%). Churchill and Sherwood had 50% last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP
If you want actual data on the schools you are considering here are two resources:

Schools at a glance reports are available here:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

Detailed report on SAT scores and participation rate broken down by high school and also by various groups within each school is available here. It is a long report but worth paying attention to some of the tables, notably the appendix starting page 13:

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

I remember a discussion about this topic a few months back. Here was the gist of it.

The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate by cohort which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.

For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
B-CC 1291
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148

The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 16.
https://bit.ly/2x3tS5X

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - You are looking at some of the most segregated parts of the county, and seem determined to limit your search to those schools. That's fine, although it will be a stretch to get what you are looking for at that cost point with that level of segregation.

But your casual invocation of conventional wisdom like "The new high school won't be as good" belies your stated desire for a school that is diverse and values hard work.

You are either a troll and not really moving to the area, or you have been reading WAY too much DCUM. Woodward will be FINE, and the only reason people think it might not be is that it would bve slightly Blacker and browner than other schools in that part of the county.

Oh, and take care when folks talk about their schools as a "mini United Nations" and know what that means. It means a very small subset of tolerable People of Color, all of whom were educated at the same 5 universities, and have therefore proven they are allowed to hang out with the white folks.

Ridiculous. Tons of World Bank employees live in Bethesda. Mini UN means international diversity including many different countries, ethnicities, and races. I have neighbors from South America, Israel, Africa, Pakistan, and India.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - You are looking at some of the most segregated parts of the county, and seem determined to limit your search to those schools. That's fine, although it will be a stretch to get what you are looking for at that cost point with that level of segregation.

But your casual invocation of conventional wisdom like "The new high school won't be as good" belies your stated desire for a school that is diverse and values hard work.

You are either a troll and not really moving to the area, or you have been reading WAY too much DCUM. Woodward will be FINE, and the only reason people think it might not be is that it would bve slightly Blacker and browner than other schools in that part of the county.

Oh, and take care when folks talk about their schools as a "mini United Nations" and know what that means. It means a very small subset of tolerable People of Color, all of whom were educated at the same 5 universities, and have therefore proven they are allowed to hang out with the white folks.

1. Your post indicates you may be paranoid and jump to conclusions without factual reasons.
2. You may also have deficiency in self-esteem since you wrote "tolerable people of color" and "they are allowed to hang out with".
3. You seem to think people of color are inferior to whites.
4. You seem to have no personal experience of living within Whitman boundaries. If you did and it was negative, it is unfortunate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - You are looking at some of the most segregated parts of the county, and seem determined to limit your search to those schools. That's fine, although it will be a stretch to get what you are looking for at that cost point with that level of segregation.

But your casual invocation of conventional wisdom like "The new high school won't be as good" belies your stated desire for a school that is diverse and values hard work.

You are either a troll and not really moving to the area, or you have been reading WAY too much DCUM. Woodward will be FINE, and the only reason people think it might not be is that it would bve slightly Blacker and browner than other schools in that part of the county.

Oh, and take care when folks talk about their schools as a "mini United Nations" and know what that means. It means a very small subset of tolerable People of Color, all of whom were educated at the same 5 universities, and have therefore proven they are allowed to hang out with the white folks.

1. Your post indicates you may be paranoid and jump to conclusions without factual reasons.
2. You may also have deficiency in self-esteem since you wrote "tolerable people of color" and "they are allowed to hang out with".
3. You seem to think people of color are inferior to whites.
4. You seem to have no personal experience of living within Whitman boundaries. If you did and it was negative, it is unfortunate.

This is more about socio economic segregation than racial. For overall context, pick up on the OP's comment about her concerns Woodward's boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Ridiculous. Tons of World Bank employees live in Bethesda. Mini UN means international diversity including many different countries, ethnicities, and races. I have neighbors from South America, Israel, Africa, Pakistan, and India.

Mini UN, at least on DCUM, generally means: children of parents who are affluent and college-educated from many different countries.

There are also lots of schools in Montgomery County where there are lots of parents who are from many different countries but aren't affluent and college-educated. Generally DCUM does not refer to this as "mini UN".

People really ought to do as you do, PP, and refer to "mini World Bank". That would be more clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ridiculous. Tons of World Bank employees live in Bethesda. Mini UN means international diversity including many different countries, ethnicities, and races. I have neighbors from South America, Israel, Africa, Pakistan, and India.

Mini UN, at least on DCUM, generally means: children of parents who are affluent and college-educated from many different countries.

There are also lots of schools in Montgomery County where there are lots of parents who are from many different countries but aren't affluent and college-educated. Generally DCUM does not refer to this as "mini UN".

People really ought to do as you do, PP, and refer to "mini World Bank". That would be more clear.

If you're determined to overpay, by all means, buy in Bethesda. You can get a 1940s crackerbox with mediocre schools for 7 figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP
If you want actual data on the schools you are considering here are two resources:

Schools at a glance reports are available here:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

Detailed report on SAT scores and participation rate broken down by high school and also by various groups within each school is available here. It is a long report but worth paying attention to some of the tables, notably the appendix starting page 13:

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

I remember a discussion about this topic a few months back. Here was the gist of it.

The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate by cohort which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.

For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
B-CC 1291
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148

The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 16.
https://bit.ly/2x3tS5X

That list isn't quite honest, The actually ratios of those demographics matter. There simply aren't as many middle class white kids at a school like blair and many of those are magnet kids for other districts. Where BCC is almost all of these types of kids so the stat means a little more. Blair's scores as a whole even counting the mag kids are much much lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP
If you want actual data on the schools you are considering here are two resources:

Schools at a glance reports are available here:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

Detailed report on SAT scores and participation rate broken down by high school and also by various groups within each school is available here. It is a long report but worth paying attention to some of the tables, notably the appendix starting page 13:

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

I remember a discussion about this topic a few months back. Here was the gist of it.

The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate by cohort which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.

For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
B-CC 1291
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148

The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 16.
https://bit.ly/2x3tS5X

That list isn't quite honest, The actually ratios of those demographics matter. There simply aren't as many middle class white kids at a school like blair and many of those are magnet kids for other districts. Where BCC is almost all of these types of kids so the stat means a little more. Blair's scores as a whole even counting the mag kids are much much lower.

I don't have a dog in the race, but those numbers are accurate according to the county. Further, believe the PP's point has merit.

The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate by cohort which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ridiculous. Tons of World Bank employees live in Bethesda. Mini UN means international diversity including many different countries, ethnicities, and races. I have neighbors from South America, Israel, Africa, Pakistan, and India.

Mini UN, at least on DCUM, generally means: children of parents who are affluent and college-educated from many different countries.

There are also lots of schools in Montgomery County where there are lots of parents who are from many different countries but aren't affluent and college-educated. Generally DCUM does not refer to this as "mini UN".

People really ought to do as you do, PP, and refer to "mini World Bank". That would be more clear.

If you're determined to overpay, by all means, buy in Bethesda. You can get a 1940s crackerbox with mediocre schools for 7 figures.

Or you can live in PG and live like a king for 7 figures but outside the castle walls. All the people who scoff at the Bethesda premium but pay the silver spring premium over PG are hypocrites. And in case you didn't notice there are plenty of very nice houses in Bethesda, just because you can't afford them doesn't mean the people who don't want to live near you can't

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP
If you want actual data on the schools you are considering here are two resources:

Schools at a glance reports are available here:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

Detailed report on SAT scores and participation rate broken down by high school and also by various groups within each school is available here. It is a long report but worth paying attention to some of the tables, notably the appendix starting page 13:

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

I remember a discussion about this topic a few months back. Here was the gist of it.

The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate by cohort which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.

For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
B-CC 1291
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148

The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 16.
https://bit.ly/2x3tS5X

That list isn't quite honest, The actually ratios of those demographics matter. There simply aren't as many middle class white kids at a school like blair and many of those are magnet kids for other districts. Where BCC is almost all of these types of kids so the stat means a little more. Blair's scores as a whole even counting the mag kids are much much lower.

I don't have a dog in the race, but those numbers are accurate according to the county. Further, believe the PP's point has merit.

The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate by cohort which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.

Yes the 200 or so white kids in specialty classes at Blair do well but the list is clearly bunk as it left off Poolesville and Whitman which are better not to mention have more of the students who achievements that lists trumpets. What about the other 3000 kids at blair who don't do so well and score closer to their peers at Einstein? They don't matter? You can always cherry pick a few smart kids in a school and go look how good that school is. But that stat only represents a tiny fraction of the student population where schools like WJ and BCC it is the total student body. See the difference