The future of the Catholic Church

[Anonymous]

bigoted may be the wrong word then, but certainly its an irrational anger towards something that doesn't concern her in the least. can we move all of her threads to a new Anti-Catholic Forum so the rest of us don't have to read them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:amazing the amount of falsehoods about Catholicism that people are spreading. I suggest the fools here go talk to a priest instead of jumping to assumptions and simply making things up. Having an abortion does not send one straight to hell. Neither does having your tubes tied. There are zillions of sins committed every day as we are all sinners. It is what happens afterwards that is important.

I can tell you a priest in Arlington Diocese DID say what you are claiming are not a Catholic teachings/beliefs.

FYI-the Arlington Diocese is probably the most conservative in the country, so please do not base an entire world religion on what one priest said. The Jesuits like at Holy Trinity in Georgetown are much more open minded about these things. HTC is a wonderful and welcoming place.

[Anonymous]

You don't have to read these threads. If it bothers you so much why do you read them?

And there seem to be many more than one poster posting about these issues. I am the OP; the many people chiming in here are not me. And this is the only thread about religion I have started in a long time.

And it didn't really start out to be about religion - it is more about politics and how a growing Catholic population might affect the political, legal, educational culture in this country. The crazy defensive Catholic turned it into an argument about Catholicism itself.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to read these threads. If it bothers you so much why do you read them?

And there seem to be many more than one poster posting about these issues. I am the OP; the many people chiming in here are not me. And this is the only thread about religion I have started in a long time.

And it didn't really start out to be about religion - it is more about politics and how a growing Catholic population might affect the political, legal, educational culture in this country. The crazy defensive Catholic turned it into an argument about Catholicism itself.....

OP you did say you despised the church and that you were tormented by it for years. You mentioned that it's the fundamentals of the Catholic church you vehemently despised, you were the one that made it about religion. Stop blaming the Crazy defensive Catholic, and really take a look at what you were saying, and that you were attacking some one's religion which is an intricate part of them.

You suggested that conservative values of the Church and the growing Latino population would be a downfall in our country. How about writing your congressman and suggest immigration reform. Maybe you can see if they can keep the Catholic/Latino population down, or make a rule that for every Catholic/Latino the is given immigration status, two WASPS and an Asian Buddhist also become citizens. I don't know where you would start with illegals though. It's a known fact that there are illegals that aren't Catholic but I just don't know how you are going to keep the ratios in check.

One last thing OP. The Catholic Church goes against your liberal ideals. Doesn't your prejudice against the Church also go against your liberal ideals? People should be able to have think for themselves, and have their own belief, and make their own choices, even if they don't agree with yours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:anybody who is admitting to be "vehemently anti-" anything is bigoted and unreasonable. how absurd to be so hateful and intolerant. Be whatever you want, believe whatever you want. why obsess over someone's else religion? can't fathom it.

Well, OP was raised Catholic. So it's not just a matter of her commenting on someone else's religion. She is reflecting on her experience growing up Catholic. Even we Catholics can agree that the Church has done some damage to people over the years. Right? Some people should be bitter about it.

and be so obsessed about it that she shares her views constantly on anonymous message boards? If I started a jew-bashing thread or a mormon-bashing thread every few days people would rightly assume I was intolerant (and/or obsessed). It is hateful, and more importantly, ridiculous. I'm guessing you are the OP.

Quite wrong. I had a great experience. I was taught by Precious Blood sisters and when I was older, the Jesuits. I also spent quite a lot of time with the Opus Dei. My family has been Catholic on one side for over a thousand years. I still pray the rosary at a carmelite monastery when I am back in my home town.

That said, I do not see criticism as dangerous. An intelligent Catholic should be able to make their point by the use of theology, church doctrine, the writings of our theologians, as well as the examples of the saints. You do not have to resort to name-calling. Even if it were bigotry, there are others who are reading, and it is more important to make your case to them. You can't do that from the gutter.

[Anonymous]

wait a second here....aren't most (voting) Catholics actually democrats? Think Massachusetts...the Kennedys....John Kerry....

I'm not a cradle catholic -- came to the faith through my husband. Most of his family is democrat, eventhough the party platform is pro-choice.

It comes down to a personal decision of politics and faith and how an individual reconciles the two. What choices they would make for themselves, and what choices they would have available to others.


So, I guess I completely disagree with OP's premise.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about most of them. Irish Catholics are supposed to be Democrats.

[Anonymous]

But whether or not Catholics continue to be largely democratic remains uncertain in the future as the country continues to polarize over abortion or even sex eduation and birth control. The question is, what if a growing Catholic population is increasingly conservative and what affect might that have on our country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know about most of them. Irish Catholics are supposed to be Democrats.

I am an Irish Italian Catholic from the Northeast and a conservative Republican who thinks about issues a lot. So much for the continued stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know about most of them. Irish Catholics are supposed to be Democrats.

I am an Irish Italian Catholic from the Northeast and a conservative Republican who thinks about issues a lot. So much for the continued stereotypes.

I am the PP you quoted. For the record I too am Irish Catholic, from the Northeast, and Republican. That doesn't change the fact that Irish Catholics have been democrats for generations and are told by their parents not to become Republicans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:amazing the amount of falsehoods about Catholicism that people are spreading. I suggest the fools here go talk to a priest instead of jumping to assumptions and simply making things up. Having an abortion does not send one straight to hell. Neither does having your tubes tied. There are zillions of sins committed every day as we are all sinners. It is what happens afterwards that is important.

I can tell you a priest in Arlington Diocese DID say what you are claiming are not a Catholic teachings/beliefs.

FYI-the Arlington Diocese is probably the most conservative in the country, so please do not base an entire world religion on what one priest said. The Jesuits like at Holy Trinity in Georgetown are much more open minded about these things. HTC is a wonderful and welcoming place.

Completely agree with your description of Holy Trinity. I left it for awhile because I was really questioning whether I could stick with Catholicism for many of the reasons that previous posters have mentioned. While we were away trying out different churches and traditions, I found that my soul was aching to return to Holy Trinity. We're back and I couldn't be happier. There are definitely variations within the Catholic church and I'm very proud to be a Holy Trinity kind of Catholic. However, I'm still very careful about who I admit my Catholicism to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
FYI-the Arlington Diocese is probably the most conservative in the country, so please do not base an entire world religion on what one priest said. The Jesuits like at Holy Trinity in Georgetown are much more open minded about these things. HTC is a wonderful and welcoming place.

How about the Pope? Can I base my opinion of the Catholic church on what the Pope says?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:amazing the amount of falsehoods about Catholicism that people are spreading. I suggest the fools here go talk to a priest instead of jumping to assumptions and simply making things up. Having an abortion does not send one straight to hell. Neither does having your tubes tied. There are zillions of sins committed every day as we are all sinners. It is what happens afterwards that is important.

I can tell you a priest in Arlington Diocese DID say what you are claiming are not a Catholic teachings/beliefs.

FYI-the Arlington Diocese is probably the most conservative in the country, so please do not base an entire world religion on what one priest said. The Jesuits like at Holy Trinity in Georgetown are much more open minded about these things. HTC is a wonderful and welcoming place.

Completely agree with your description of Holy Trinity. I left it for awhile because I was really questioning whether I could stick with Catholicism for many of the reasons that previous posters have mentioned. While we were away trying out different churches and traditions, I found that my soul was aching to return to Holy Trinity. We're back and I couldn't be happier. There are definitely variations within the Catholic church and I'm very proud to be a Holy Trinity kind of Catholic. However, I'm still very careful about who I admit my Catholicism to.[/quote]

why would you possibly be ashamed of your religion? please explain. that really surprises me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:amazing the amount of falsehoods about Catholicism that people are spreading. I suggest the fools here go talk to a priest instead of jumping to assumptions and simply making things up. Having an abortion does not send one straight to hell. Neither does having your tubes tied. There are zillions of sins committed every day as we are all sinners. It is what happens afterwards that is important.

I can tell you a priest in Arlington Diocese DID say what you are claiming are not a Catholic teachings/beliefs.

FYI-the Arlington Diocese is probably the most conservative in the country, so please do not base an entire world religion on what one priest said. The Jesuits like at Holy Trinity in Georgetown are much more open minded about these things. HTC is a wonderful and welcoming place.

Completely agree with your description of Holy Trinity. I left it for awhile because I was really questioning whether I could stick with Catholicism for many of the reasons that previous posters have mentioned. While we were away trying out different churches and traditions, I found that my soul was aching to return to Holy Trinity. We're back and I couldn't be happier. There are definitely variations within the Catholic church and I'm very proud to be a Holy Trinity kind of Catholic. However, I'm still very careful about who I admit my Catholicism to.[/quote]

why would you possibly be ashamed of your religion? please explain. that really surprises me.

Have you not read all of the Catholic Bashing that goes on in these Forums?