Can you reconcile remaining Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:Sort of. My faith is intact. I still believe in God, and Jesus, and Mary and the saints and being a good person and loving all, etc. But I've long disagreed with many official holdings of the church - birth control, homosexuality, women can't be ordained, priests can't marry, etc. And of course, I'm disgusted by the decades (probably centuries) of sexual crimes and cover-ups. So basically, I dont consider the church any type of moral authority. The church leaders are just people, as flawed as anyone else. Certainly the church does some good in the world, and most priests are good people, but I don't see how it can hold itself out as a voice for justice and human rights and morality until it makes a LOT of big changes.

So yes, I can still be Catholic inasmuch as my faith guides my personal life. But I feel no loyalty to the institution of the Catholic Church. I hope one day the church can live up to it's potnential and promise.

I feel much the same, PP. Having been raised Catholic, I will always be a “cultural” Catholic, but I left the church years ago when I realized I couldn’t look my daughter in the eye and say I was taking her to a church that valued her brother more than her. As a human-made institution, the church, like all others, is inherently flawed. I never expected it to be perfect but it had all gone too far way before yesterday’s news. Makes me sad and angry.

I'm catholic and one of the reasons I like the catholic church is that it honors women both current and saints. I don't see an issue with the Catholic church for honoring men over woman at all. I've never considered a priest the only respectable vocation. I love how the catholic church both honors women and asks that we all pick a vocation. For years most of the schools had nuns, so I can't see how the church didn't respect women for teaching the congregation.

I do not like that other Christian religions allow divorce. I think they are going against Jesus's teachings. I also don't like how many of them change with time in their beliefs. Whether I agree personally or not, it makes me feel like they don't stand for anything.

I don't want to be harsh, PP, but SPARE ME the line that the Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce. If you have money and power, you can pay for an annulment. Did you not read about the Archdiocese of Boston's annulment of Joe (son of Bobby) Kennedy's 12- year marriage to his first wife Sheila? The annulment would have made his 2 sons illegitimate in the eyes of the Church. What an a$$ to do that to his first wife and children. He wanted to marry again in the Catholic Church -- this shows Catholic Church and Kennedy corruption at its worst. Good for his ex-wife for fighting that corruption and getting the Vatican to overturn the ruling:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-463631/Vatican-overturns-Kennedy-wifes-annulment-10-year-battle.html

My father-in-law did this. It's was so hurtful to his family after 40 year of marriage and 4 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Sort of. My faith is intact. I still believe in God, and Jesus, and Mary and the saints and being a good person and loving all, etc. But I've long disagreed with many official holdings of the church - birth control, homosexuality, women can't be ordained, priests can't marry, etc. And of course, I'm disgusted by the decades (probably centuries) of sexual crimes and cover-ups. So basically, I dont consider the church any type of moral authority. The church leaders are just people, as flawed as anyone else. Certainly the church does some good in the world, and most priests are good people, but I don't see how it can hold itself out as a voice for justice and human rights and morality until it makes a LOT of big changes.

So yes, I can still be Catholic inasmuch as my faith guides my personal life. But I feel no loyalty to the institution of the Catholic Church. I hope one day the church can live up to it's potnential and promise.

I feel much the same, PP. Having been raised Catholic, I will always be a “cultural” Catholic, but I left the church years ago when I realized I couldn’t look my daughter in the eye and say I was taking her to a church that valued her brother more than her. As a human-made institution, the church, like all others, is inherently flawed. I never expected it to be perfect but it had all gone too far way before yesterday’s news. Makes me sad and angry.

I'm catholic and one of the reasons I like the catholic church is that it honors women both current and saints. I don't see an issue with the Catholic church for honoring men over woman at all. I've never considered a priest the only respectable vocation. I love how the catholic church both honors women and asks that we all pick a vocation. For years most of the schools had nuns, so I can't see how the church didn't respect women for teaching the congregation.

I do not like that other Christian religions allow divorce. I think they are going against Jesus's teachings. I also don't like how many of them change with time in their beliefs. Whether I agree personally or not, it makes me feel like they don't stand for anything.

I don't want to be harsh, PP, but SPARE ME the line that the Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce. If you have money and power, you can pay for an annulment. Did you not read about the Archdiocese of Boston's annulment of Joe (son of Bobby) Kennedy's 12- year marriage to his first wife Sheila? The annulment would have made his 2 sons illegitimate in the eyes of the Church. What an a$$ to do that to his first wife and children. He wanted to marry again in the Catholic Church -- this shows Catholic Church and Kennedy corruption at its worst. Good for his ex-wife for fighting that corruption and getting the Vatican to overturn the ruling:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-463631/Vatican-overturns-Kennedy-wifes-annulment-10-year-battle.html

My father-in-law did this. It's was so hurtful to his family after 40 year of marriage and 4 kids.

You obviously don't understand Catholic doctrine. The children would not be illegitimate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There will be more shocking disgusting things coming. From the people you trusted the most. Prepare yourself. It will be devastating.


https://thelightinthedarkplace.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/vatican-audience-hall-snake-e1524240496557.png?w=616

Care to share?

[Anonymous]

I'm really surprised there is no thread on this issue in the Private Schools forum. I wonder how many people will keep their kids in Catholic schools now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Celibate clergy” = sex perv haven
I met so many strange men studying for the priesthood at CUA. SMH

Sure you did

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sort of. My faith is intact. I still believe in God, and Jesus, and Mary and the saints and being a good person and loving all, etc. But I've long disagreed with many official holdings of the church - birth control, homosexuality, women can't be ordained, priests can't marry, etc. And of course, I'm disgusted by the decades (probably centuries) of sexual crimes and cover-ups. So basically, I dont consider the church any type of moral authority. The church leaders are just people, as flawed as anyone else. Certainly the church does some good in the world, and most priests are good people, but I don't see how it can hold itself out as a voice for justice and human rights and morality until it makes a LOT of big changes.

So yes, I can still be Catholic inasmuch as my faith guides my personal life. But I feel no loyalty to the institution of the Catholic Church. I hope one day the church can live up to it's potnential and promise.

I feel much the same, PP. Having been raised Catholic, I will always be a “cultural” Catholic, but I left the church years ago when I realized I couldn’t look my daughter in the eye and say I was taking her to a church that valued her brother more than her. As a human-made institution, the church, like all others, is inherently flawed. I never expected it to be perfect but it had all gone too far way before yesterday’s news. Makes me sad and angry.

I'm catholic and one of the reasons I like the catholic church is that it honors women both current and saints. I don't see an issue with the Catholic church for honoring men over woman at all. I've never considered a priest the only respectable vocation. I love how the catholic church both honors women and asks that we all pick a vocation. For years most of the schools had nuns, so I can't see how the church didn't respect women for teaching the congregation.

I do not like that other Christian religions allow divorce. I think they are going against Jesus's teachings. I also don't like how many of them change with time in their beliefs. Whether I agree personally or not, it makes me feel like they don't stand for anything.

I don't want to be harsh, PP, but SPARE ME the line that the Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce. If you have money and power, you can pay for an annulment. Did you not read about the Archdiocese of Boston's annulment of Joe (son of Bobby) Kennedy's 12- year marriage to his first wife Sheila? The annulment would have made his 2 sons illegitimate in the eyes of the Church. What an a$$ to do that to his first wife and children. He wanted to marry again in the Catholic Church -- this shows Catholic Church and Kennedy corruption at its worst. Good for his ex-wife for fighting that corruption and getting the Vatican to overturn the ruling:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-463631/Vatican-overturns-Kennedy-wifes-annulment-10-year-battle.html

I don't disagree that there is corruption as I think I said before that I think similarly to the person quoted above on pedophiles and other issues within the church. But the difference to me is that other religions say divorce is just fine and I don't think Jesus said that in the bible and in fact said the opposite. So whether there is corruption or not is different than the actual teaching. Kind of strange that you decided to post an annulment though that was overturned by the Vatican. Goes against your point.

On another issue, I also disagree with the bible on homosexuality, however what bothers me with that issue is that other religions aren't turning to any particular bible verse to approve their view on it. They are just going with popular opinion if they agree in homosexual marriage. That is an issue I have with God and the bible more than any particular religion. I don't feel the bible does enough justification for how homosexuals should live their lives. On a personal spiritual journey some of the worldly church issues become less important. But certainly there is a huge cause for concern if a church cannot teach it's people the faith correctly in what they say and do. I don't begrudge anyone for deciding to leave whatever that actually means to them. I've always pulled from many religions on my spiritual journey of faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sort of. My faith is intact. I still believe in God, and Jesus, and Mary and the saints and being a good person and loving all, etc. But I've long disagreed with many official holdings of the church - birth control, homosexuality, women can't be ordained, priests can't marry, etc. And of course, I'm disgusted by the decades (probably centuries) of sexual crimes and cover-ups. So basically, I dont consider the church any type of moral authority. The church leaders are just people, as flawed as anyone else. Certainly the church does some good in the world, and most priests are good people, but I don't see how it can hold itself out as a voice for justice and human rights and morality until it makes a LOT of big changes.

So yes, I can still be Catholic inasmuch as my faith guides my personal life. But I feel no loyalty to the institution of the Catholic Church. I hope one day the church can live up to it's potnential and promise.

I feel much the same, PP. Having been raised Catholic, I will always be a “cultural” Catholic, but I left the church years ago when I realized I couldn’t look my daughter in the eye and say I was taking her to a church that valued her brother more than her. As a human-made institution, the church, like all others, is inherently flawed. I never expected it to be perfect but it had all gone too far way before yesterday’s news. Makes me sad and angry.

I'm catholic and one of the reasons I like the catholic church is that it honors women both current and saints. I don't see an issue with the Catholic church for honoring men over woman at all. I've never considered a priest the only respectable vocation. I love how the catholic church both honors women and asks that we all pick a vocation. For years most of the schools had nuns, so I can't see how the church didn't respect women for teaching the congregation.

I do not like that other Christian religions allow divorce. I think they are going against Jesus's teachings. I also don't like how many of them change with time in their beliefs. Whether I agree personally or not, it makes me feel like they don't stand for anything.

I don't want to be harsh, PP, but SPARE ME the line that the Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce. If you have money and power, you can pay for an annulment. Did you not read about the Archdiocese of Boston's annulment of Joe (son of Bobby) Kennedy's 12- year marriage to his first wife Sheila? The annulment would have made his 2 sons illegitimate in the eyes of the Church. What an a$$ to do that to his first wife and children. He wanted to marry again in the Catholic Church -- this shows Catholic Church and Kennedy corruption at its worst. Good for his ex-wife for fighting that corruption and getting the Vatican to overturn the ruling:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-463631/Vatican-overturns-Kennedy-wifes-annulment-10-year-battle.html

I don't disagree that there is corruption as I think I said before that I think similarly to the person quoted above on pedophiles and other issues within the church. But the difference to me is that other religions say divorce is just fine and I don't think Jesus said that in the bible and in fact said the opposite. So whether there is corruption or not is different than the actual teaching. Kind of strange that you decided to post an annulment though that was overturned by the Vatican. Goes against your point.

Her annulment was only overturned because she fought back and wrote her book Shattered Faith as an appeal to the Vatican. Too much bad publicity to keep the annulment in tact. Read this NY Times article -- church lawyers say they can pretty much get any marriage annulled in the US.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/06/08/reviews/970608.08lydont.html

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/06/08/reviews/970608.08lydont.html

[Anonymous]

https://angelusnews.com/voices/kathryn-jean-lopez/what-st-catherine-of-siena-would-say-to-todays-bishops

A good article a friend sent me today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised there is no thread on this issue in the Private Schools forum. I wonder how many people will keep their kids in Catholic schools now?

We're looking at Catholic schools and most are not priests and nuns and regular teachers. It concerns me but MCPS is having a lot of issues and cover-up so its where ever you go. Our MCPS will not allow parent volunteers and is really closed so that concerns me far more than a Catholic that allows parens and is more open and welcoming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These crimes happen in every church - the abuse and the cover up. It's horrible and inexcusable, and has no influence on my ability to reconcile with the decision to remain Catholic.

Tell me more about that. Here and there? Or on a grand scale like the Catholics?

I'm not defending the Catholics but MCPS for one has been moving oedophokes around for decades . Obviously not on a large scale since so few men work there. Montgomery county prosecutors arrested an employee from RM who was raping a student, released him with no bond, refused a restraining order for his step daughter and raped the same girl the day he was released.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These crimes happen in every church - the abuse and the cover up. It's horrible and inexcusable, and has no influence on my ability to reconcile with the decision to remain Catholic.

Tell me more about that. Here and there? Or on a grand scale like the Catholics?

I'm not defending the Catholics but MCPS for one has been moving oedophokes around for decades . Obviously not on a large scale since so few men work there. Montgomery county prosecutors arrested an employee from RM who was raping a student, released him with no bond, refused a restraining order for his step daughter and raped the same girl the day he was released.

Yes, creeps can turn up anywhere -- but it's institutionalized in the Catholic church.

[Anonymous]

From the Archdiocese of Washington's website: "Child Protection Policies have been in place since 1986":

The video contains a message from Cardinal Wuerl about the ADW's efforts....for what it's worth.

https://adw.org/about-us/policies-and-resources/child-protection/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Celibate clergy” = sex perv haven
I met so many strange men studying for the priesthood at CUA. SMH

Sure you did

Oh come on. You can’t tell me you are any kind of catholic if you didn’t know that priests for the most part, are really weird and often, creepy. I thought McCarrick was one of the good ones and very much restored my faith. Awful

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These crimes happen in every church - the abuse and the cover up. It's horrible and inexcusable, and has no influence on my ability to reconcile with the decision to remain Catholic.

Tell me more about that. Here and there? Or on a grand scale like the Catholics?

+1. Nothing like this has happened in other churches. It's the celibate priesthood and the power structure that encourages the abuse.

[Anonymous]

It bothers me intensely. I don't question religion but am not crazy about organized religion.