Can you reconcile remaining Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

NOW we're getting some true anti-catholicism. bigot obsessed poster, where are you when the actual tenents of your faith are attacked?

I’m one of the posters who’s been calling bigots, bigots. I’m not Catholic, fwiw, and I never have been. So I don’t feel obliged to let you bully me into defending any tenets. But yep, the hate from posters like you and pp is palpable and clearly bigoted.

Wherever you and pp get your moral values—atheism, evangelicalism—these values are failing badly.

lol. so actual attacks on Catholic theology = nbd. this just proves your actual agenda is to silence critics of the Church's corrupt approach to sex and abuse. You don't actually know or care about what makes Catholicism Catholic. just defending a corrupt institution.

You’ve exposed your own trolling. How about you go outside in the sun?

How have I exposed my own trolling? You're a concern-trolling idiot weighing in where you don't belong, about a religion and culture you do not understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Naturally, moderator Jeff Steele would never allow a similar topic that trolled Muslims or Jews.

I used to say, report this stuff. I’ve reported a lot over the past few days, and to Jeff’s credit he’s taken it down.

But I’m at the point where I’m ready to let the bigots expose their hideous faces with all this this ugliness. Let them show their hate and intolerance to the world, let it all hang out like exploded sewage tank. Reasonable non-Catholics need to see what bigotry looks like, just like the rest of the US needs to see unbiased reporting on Charlottesville (yet those in the Fox bubble don’t). If it makes DCUM look like a cesspool of bigotry, that’s not my problem.

I’m not Catholic. You may feel differently.

oh give it a freakin' break. this is between Catholics.

No, it’s between Catholics and bigots who appear to be atheist and evangelical. If those non-Catholics can chime in, so can others.

No, there are plenty of Catholics and ex-Catholics with extremely negative views of the church right now.

Nobody is saying you can’t have extremely negative views right now. Bigotry is different. Like the jerk who wants to discuss “tenents”, which is actually off-topic on a thread about the scandals, but he’s dragging it in here for what he apparently thinks is additional bashing value.

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Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

NOW we're getting some true anti-catholicism. bigot obsessed poster, where are you when the actual tenents of your faith are attacked?

I’m one of the posters who’s been calling bigots, bigots. I’m not Catholic, fwiw, and I never have been. So I don’t feel obliged to let you bully me into defending any tenets. But yep, the hate from posters like you and pp is palpable and clearly bigoted.

Wherever you and pp get your moral values—atheism, evangelicalism—these values are failing badly.

lol. so actual attacks on Catholic theology = nbd. this just proves your actual agenda is to silence critics of the Church's corrupt approach to sex and abuse. You don't actually know or care about what makes Catholicism Catholic. just defending a corrupt institution.

You’ve exposed your own trolling. How about you go outside in the sun?

How have I exposed my own trolling? You're a concern-trolling idiot weighing in where you don't belong, about a religion and culture you do not understand.

Said the atheist.

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Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

NOW we're getting some true anti-catholicism. bigot obsessed poster, where are you when the actual tenents of your faith are attacked?

I’m one of the posters who’s been calling bigots, bigots. I’m not Catholic, fwiw, and I never have been. So I don’t feel obliged to let you bully me into defending any tenets. But yep, the hate from posters like you and pp is palpable and clearly bigoted.

Wherever you and pp get your moral values—atheism, evangelicalism—these values are failing badly.

lol. so actual attacks on Catholic theology = nbd. this just proves your actual agenda is to silence critics of the Church's corrupt approach to sex and abuse. You don't actually know or care about what makes Catholicism Catholic. just defending a corrupt institution.

Catholic theology is so off-topic to this thread that somebody else already pointed out that you’re just trolling here.

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Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

Agree! I guess I’m still Catholic since I haven’t flipped to another religious alternative. We were taught never to worship false idols or pray to them for salvation, yet saints/priests were ok to act on our behalf. Twelve years of Catholic school and I just prayed to God (aka something greater than us). Never have an image of God. Never did a rosary or the stations. Only a few times said the prayer to Saint Anthony when something was lost (it worked once or twice). Honestly, it’s between me and the greater good. It’s all semantics, symbolism and interpretation. The only thing that’s solid is good vs evil. Clearly these criminals represent evil and certainly are false idols. I never idolized them because I never believed they were closer to God than me. Thankful I didn’t experience the atrocities of the victims and so heartbroken for their suffering.

It’s pretty clear in the Bible that we don’t need a middle man. It’s criminal that the Catholic Church has taught so many that they do. They did so for the same reason their sermons were in a language people didn’t even understand - for power and to keep people dumb. The catholic church is NOT about Christ. It’s about men.

NOW we're getting some true anti-catholicism. bigot obsessed poster, where are you when the actual tenents of your faith are attacked?

I’m one of the posters who’s been calling bigots, bigots. I’m not Catholic, fwiw, and I never have been. So I don’t feel obliged to let you bully me into defending any tenets. But yep, the hate from posters like you and pp is palpable and clearly bigoted.

Wherever you and pp get your moral values—atheism, evangelicalism—these values are failing badly.

lol. so actual attacks on Catholic theology = nbd. this just proves your actual agenda is to silence critics of the Church's corrupt approach to sex and abuse. You don't actually know or care about what makes Catholicism Catholic. just defending a corrupt institution.

Catholic theology is so off-topic to this thread that somebody else already pointed out that you’re just trolling here.

wtf? people are attacking fundamentals of catholicsm as wrong and you think that's irrelevant? it's hilarious that you can't recognize actual attacks on the churh.

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Anonymous wrote:How are you able to reconcile practicing the Catholic faith after yesterday's release of more sexual abuse by priests? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

FYI, some Catholics have stopped their financial support. Do you consider them to be "practicing" Catholics, OP?

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Anonymous wrote:Naturally, moderator Jeff Steele would never allow a similar topic that trolled Muslims or Jews.

I used to say, report this stuff. I’ve reported a lot over the past few days, and to Jeff’s credit he’s taken it down.

But I’m at the point where I’m ready to let the bigots expose their hideous faces with all this this ugliness. Let them show their hate and intolerance to the world, let it all hang out like exploded sewage tank. Reasonable non-Catholics need to see what bigotry looks like, just like the rest of the US needs to see unbiased reporting on Charlottesville (yet those in the Fox bubble don’t). If it makes DCUM look like a cesspool of bigotry, that’s not my problem.

I’m not Catholic. You may feel differently.

oh give it a freakin' break. this is between Catholics.

No, it’s between Catholics and bigots who appear to be atheist and evangelical. If those non-Catholics can chime in, so can others.

No, there are plenty of Catholics and ex-Catholics with extremely negative views of the church right now.

Nobody is saying you can’t have extremely negative views right now. Bigotry is different. Like the jerk who wants to discuss “tenents”, which is actually off-topic on a thread about the scandals, but he’s dragging it in here for what he apparently thinks is additional bashing value.

oh I get it now. you also believe the priesthood is wrong, but for other reasons (you are evangelical/protestant). you're just concerned about "bashing" catholicism when it serves your agenda - like being anti-gay.

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Anonymous wrote:Unapologetic Catholic: Why are you praying to Mary? There is no one you need pray to besides God the Father / Son / Holy Spirit. Anything else breaks the first Commandment.

Catholics are encouraged to pray to saints, asking them to “intercede” for them with god.

For instance, if your name is Catherine, you might like to pray to st Catherine and ask her to pass on your requests to god. He might pay more attention if one of his saints asks him than he would if asked by a mere mortal.

I am honestly LMAO! You really think God needs a support staff through which prayers travel?! I could not be happier that I’m Protestant now and no longer Catholic - this reasoning is absurd!

I personally don't think so, but this is Catholic Church teaching.

I am a 55 year old life long Catholic who went to Catholic school all the way through law school and not once was I taught that God needs a “support staff” to pray through or to pray to any saint as a way to get God’s attention. Rather, I was always taught that reaching out to saints in prayer was similar to asking friends to pray for you or help support you in a time of need.

Catholic teaching does not use the term “support staff”. They say “intercession “. Same idea.
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wtf? people are attacking fundamentals of catholicsm as wrong and you think that's irrelevant? it's hilarious that you can't recognize actual attacks on the churh.

Wtf right back atcha. This thread is about the pedophilia scandals. Attacking peoples’ beliefs is off-topic and basically a$$holish—unless your goal is to keep up the Catholic bashing. Which is obviously your goal. Bigot.

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Anonymous wrote:Naturally, moderator Jeff Steele would never allow a similar topic that trolled Muslims or Jews.

I used to say, report this stuff. I’ve reported a lot over the past few days, and to Jeff’s credit he’s taken it down.

But I’m at the point where I’m ready to let the bigots expose their hideous faces with all this this ugliness. Let them show their hate and intolerance to the world, let it all hang out like exploded sewage tank. Reasonable non-Catholics need to see what bigotry looks like, just like the rest of the US needs to see unbiased reporting on Charlottesville (yet those in the Fox bubble don’t). If it makes DCUM look like a cesspool of bigotry, that’s not my problem.

I’m not Catholic. You may feel differently.

oh give it a freakin' break. this is between Catholics.

No, it’s between Catholics and bigots who appear to be atheist and evangelical. If those non-Catholics can chime in, so can others.

No, there are plenty of Catholics and ex-Catholics with extremely negative views of the church right now.

Nobody is saying you can’t have extremely negative views right now. Bigotry is different. Like the jerk who wants to discuss “tenents”, which is actually off-topic on a thread about the scandals, but he’s dragging it in here for what he apparently thinks is additional bashing value.

oh I get it now. you also believe the priesthood is wrong, but for other reasons (you are evangelical/protestant). you're just concerned about "bashing" catholicism when it serves your agenda - like being anti-gay.

Who do you think you’re talking to? I don’t have an opinion on the priesthood—if other people believe in it, that’s fine with me. I have good friends who are gay and see nothing wrong with it.

I do hate bigots, homophobes and racists, though. The atheists and evangelical on this thread are spewing plenty of this stuff, unfortunately.

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Anonymous wrote:Naturally, moderator Jeff Steele would never allow a similar topic that trolled Muslims or Jews.

I used to say, report this stuff. I’ve reported a lot over the past few days, and to Jeff’s credit he’s taken it down.

But I’m at the point where I’m ready to let the bigots expose their hideous faces with all this this ugliness. Let them show their hate and intolerance to the world, let it all hang out like exploded sewage tank. Reasonable non-Catholics need to see what bigotry looks like, just like the rest of the US needs to see unbiased reporting on Charlottesville (yet those in the Fox bubble don’t). If it makes DCUM look like a cesspool of bigotry, that’s not my problem.

I’m not Catholic. You may feel differently.

oh give it a freakin' break. this is between Catholics.

No, it’s between Catholics and bigots who appear to be atheist and evangelical. If those non-Catholics can chime in, so can others.

No, there are plenty of Catholics and ex-Catholics with extremely negative views of the church right now.

Nobody is saying you can’t have extremely negative views right now. Bigotry is different. Like the jerk who wants to discuss “tenents”, which is actually off-topic on a thread about the scandals, but he’s dragging it in here for what he apparently thinks is additional bashing value.

oh I get it now. you also believe the priesthood is wrong, but for other reasons (you are evangelical/protestant). you're just concerned about "bashing" catholicism when it serves your agenda - like being anti-gay.

Who do you think you’re talking to? I don’t have an opinion on the priesthood—if other people believe in it, that’s fine with me. I have good friends who are gay and see nothing wrong with it.

I do hate bigots, homophobes and racists, though. The atheists and evangelical on this thread are spewing plenty of this stuff, unfortunately.

yes, that's what this whole situation is about: anti-catholic bigotry.

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wtf? people are attacking fundamentals of catholicsm as wrong and you think that's irrelevant? it's hilarious that you can't recognize actual attacks on the churh.

Wtf right back atcha. This thread is about the pedophilia scandals. Attacking peoples’ beliefs is off-topic and basically a$$holish—unless your goal is to keep up the Catholic bashing. Which is obviously your goal. Bigot.

True.

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wtf? people are attacking fundamentals of catholicsm as wrong and you think that's irrelevant? it's hilarious that you can't recognize actual attacks on the churh.

Wtf right back atcha. This thread is about the pedophilia scandals. Attacking peoples’ beliefs is off-topic and basically a$$holish—unless your goal is to keep up the Catholic bashing. Which is obviously your goal. Bigot.

True.

there is no Catholic bashing. you're delusional and morally gross.

[Anonymous]

There seems to be no institution immune from the rampant sexual abuse of people.

1. What gives these men the moral failing to sink so low?

2. What gives even more men (and women!) the moral failing to report the questionable behavior of the abusers?

[Anonymous]

Please. Let's stop saying "moral failing" or "scandal". Let's call it what it is. Crime. Psychic torture. Child rape.